At what time will the networks declare Hillary as the winner?

[Freddie Millergogo]

Americans spend 4x more per capita on Healthcare than nearly all other civilized countries with socialized medicine.

Health insurance increased 4x under Obamacare aka an insanely regressive tax on the middle class.

As far as legal MJ/MMJ. If you like pot them move to a legal state. I think MJ/MMJ should be a state's rights issues situation. Colorado pretty much allows towns and counties to decide. Push the decisions down to a local level and let the citizens decide .

On the downside, Colo had rigged ass elections too and their electronic voting system was a disaster.

 

[Budley Doright]

Americans spend 4x more per capita on Healthcare than nearly all other civilized countries with socialized medicine.

Ive always thought our tax bill is somewhat more than in the states but I may be wrong, I'm talking the whole tax base, income, property, sales, etc..

 

[Budley Doright]

Have you considered the possibility you might be over-reacting just a tad? Furthermore, if you don't even know the word for "a principal administrative division" of Canada, I don't think you're going to have an easy time. That said, if you like Michigan, you'll love Winnipeg. Go there.

No you won't lol.

 

[Rasta Roy]

Health insurance increased 4x under Obamacare aka an insanely regressive tax on the middle class.

As far as legal MJ/MMJ. If you like pot them move to a legal state. I think MJ/MMJ should be a state's rights issues situation. Colorado pretty much allows towns and counties to decide. Push the decisions down to a local level and let the citizens decide .

On the downside, Colo had rigged ass elections too and their electronic voting system was a disaster.

Another thing I disagree with my fellow citizens on and another reason for me to leave...lol. I like Obamacare. I couldn't get insurance before because of my back injuries from when I was a younger man. My dad was able to get life saving cancer treatments because they couldn't put a cap on how much they spent on him.

I get that people that already have insurance and no major health issues had their premiums go up...but in my opinion just should just suck the ass and swallow. I couldn't see a doctor for almost ten years unless it was through the emergency room. Y'all can ball out and pay extra on your premiums. I would do the same if shit was reversed.

 

[Rasta Roy]

Ive always thought our tax bill is somewhat more than in the states but I may be wrong, I'm talking the whole tax base, income, property, sales, etc..

I'll definitely be paying more in taxes but if the trade off is better infrastructure than I have no qualms. Shit is crumbling around here.

 

[Rrog]

Health insurance increased 4x under Obamacare aka an insanely regressive tax on the middle class.

Blame insurance companies, not Obama. The goal was to reduce costs to consumers

 

[NLXSK1]

Blame insurance companies, not Obama. The goal was to reduce costs to consumers

It was the flawed creation of Obamacare that caused the incredible increase in insurance premiums. Young people just didnt want to pay for something expensive that they didnt need... Go figure.

The goal was to make healthcare so fucked up that the government could institute single payer. Their plan is working.

 

[Rasta Roy]

It was the flawed creation of Obamacare that caused the incredible increase in insurance premiums. Young people just didnt want to pay for something expensive that they didnt need... Go figure.

The goal was to make healthcare so fucked up that the government could institute single payer. Their plan is working.

It's hard to make insurance insure sick people without instituing a single payer system. But I wouldnt worry about it. You'll get at least four years of shrinking government programs not expanding them. And based off the way the US is going maybe even more. Unless there is a huge liberal backlash to Trump.

 

[NLXSK1]

It's hard to make insurance insure sick people without instituing a single payer system. But I wouldnt worry about it. You'll get at least four years of shrinking government programs not expanding them. And based off the way the US is going maybe even more. Unless there is a huge liberal backlash to Trump.

It isnt about liberal and conservative although the government wants you to believe so. It is about the government institution against the people. Democrats and Republicans are sucked into the system and those that go along are retained while others are spit out. The institution maintains itself and no longer has the will or best interest of the people as the goal. You just saw what a massive amount of collusion that goes on between the political parties, the media establishments and the election manipulated by special interests.

Healthcare is a product. Insurance is for accidents or unexpected things. What government is trying to do is wrap up all maintenance and repair into one product and call it insurance.

How much do you think you would be paying for your auto insurance policy if it covered all maintenance, repairs, oil changes and gas fillups?

If you want healthcare to be cheap it needs to be direct pay to competing specialized institutions. Insurance should be for medical emergencies, not to cover the cost of an office visit when you have a cold.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

reading the first couple of pages of this thread, i can't help but imagine the expressions on all the smug self assured faces as the results came in.
please rest assured, though, i had the same look on my face the whole race. i lost when it became apparent neither party was joking with their choice of candidate

 

[SneekyNinja]

Health insurance increased 4x under Obamacare aka an insanely regressive tax on the middle class.

As far as legal MJ/MMJ. If you like pot them move to a legal state. I think MJ/MMJ should be a state's rights issues situation. Colorado pretty much allows towns and counties to decide. Push the decisions down to a local level and let the citizens decide .

On the downside, Colo had rigged ass elections too and their electronic voting system was a disaster.

I'm talking total cost per capita is over 4x more than countries with nationalised healthcare and has been since before Obama.

 

[SneekyNinja]

It isnt about liberal and conservative although the government wants you to believe so. It is about the government institution against the people. Democrats and Republicans are sucked into the system and those that go along are retained while others are spit out. The institution maintains itself and no longer has the will or best interest of the people as the goal. You just saw what a massive amount of collusion that goes on between the political parties, the media establishments and the election manipulated by special interests.

Healthcare is a product. Insurance is for accidents or unexpected things. What government is trying to do is wrap up all maintenance and repair into one product and call it insurance.

How much do you think you would be paying for your auto insurance policy if it covered all maintenance, repairs, oil changes and gas fillups?

If you want healthcare to be cheap it needs to be direct pay to competing specialized institutions. Insurance should be for medical emergencies, not to cover the cost of an office visit when you have a cold.

Shut up you fucking retard.

What you're saying is demonstrable wrong.

Source: Every other country in the fucking world.

 

[NLXSK1]

I'm talking total cost per capita is over 4x more than countries with nationalised healthcare and has been since before Obama.

And now it is 115% more expensive regardless of what Obama promised... THANKS OBAMA!!!

 

[Rasta Roy]

It isnt about liberal and conservative although the government wants you to believe so. It is about the government institution against the people. Democrats and Republicans are sucked into the system and those that go along are retained while others are spit out. The institution maintains itself and no longer has the will or best interest of the people as the goal. You just saw what a massive amount of collusion that goes on between the political parties, the media establishments and the election manipulated by special interests.

Healthcare is a product. Insurance is for accidents or unexpected things. What government is trying to do is wrap up all maintenance and repair into one product and call it insurance.

How much do you think you would be paying for your auto insurance policy if it covered all maintenance, repairs, oil changes and gas fillups?

If you want healthcare to be cheap it needs to be direct pay to competing specialized institutions. Insurance should be for medical emergencies, not to cover the cost of an office visit when you have a cold.

I don't believe that our healthcare should be a product. Period. I would prefer we had a system like Canada. I was denied healthcare for years here in Michigan. With the affordable Care act now I can actually buy insurance. Is it a perfect system? No. That's why I think we should adopt Canada's. But if my country men disagree with me, as they tend to disagree with me on other things. Then I'll just go where people agree with me. No need to break bread at a hostile table when there's a restaurant open down the road!

 

[ttystikk]

I don't believe that our healthcare should be a product. Period. I would prefer we had a system like Canada. I was denied healthcare for years here in Michigan. With the affordable Care act now I can actually buy insurance. Is it a perfect system? No. That's why I think we should adopt Canada's. But if my country men disagree with me, as they tend to disagree with me on other things. Then I'll just go where people agree with me. No need to break bread at a hostile table when there's a restaurant open down the road!

And this is the part that sticks in the craw of the average American; they're brainwashed to believe that America is the BEST and no one else could possibly do a better job running their country or supporting their citizens.

As it happens, I was born in Alberta and I have the option to return to the land of my birth anytime. Yet I have no other ties there and I like Colorado. I don't think the right wingers will destroy the place in 4 years. maybe 8...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i'm just watching the show. don't the people protesting realize no one gives a fuck about their protests but them? all the people who give a fuck are right there participating with you.
the rest of us are busy trying to get ready for the approaching storm. the shit IS going to fly. waste your time bitching about Trump. i'm gonna be gettin ready.
and, while i'm not a particularly patriotic person, stfu or gtfo, you don't like it, go to canada, or mexico, or wtf ever. each and every one of us let this happen. wanna blame someone? look in the mirror, stfu, and get on with what needs to be done

 

[NLXSK1]

I don't believe that our healthcare should be a product. Period. I would prefer we had a system like Canada. I was denied healthcare for years here in Michigan. With the affordable Care act now I can actually buy insurance. Is it a perfect system? No. That's why I think we should adopt Canada's. But if my country men disagree with me, as they tend to disagree with me on other things. Then I'll just go where people agree with me. No need to break bread at a hostile table when there's a restaurant open down the road!

Canada's system prevented private options and thus they had to come to America for superior care. I am for freedom of choice.

Healthcare is a product. People put their time and services into it just like any other profession. Giving it to the government ensures lack of advancement, waste, bureaucracy etc. You were not denied healthcare, you were denied affordable insurance. You could have paid cash to many doctors for services. It is all the bureaucracy, legislation, insurance and other factors that drive our healthcare costs up. Also, the people who dont pay are subsidized by the people who do pay which is why an emergency room visit is so damn expensive.

What is funny is that you are moving somewhere else to get a choice while advocating single payer on everyone else which completely removes choice.

Are you for choice and freedom or are you for monopolistic top down government?

If you want to see what it looks like, just check out the VA and it's waiting lines and fraud and waste and bureacracy and multiply that by 10000.

I want choice and freedom to choose, not government dictated health policy.

 

[Rrog]

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP

We sure like to spend our money to fill corporate pockets. Big (tax-free) hospitals, Big Pharma, Big Insurance.

Other countries don't allow this. Most other countries have healthier, happier, less debt, and longer life existences. Stats reveal a lot.

We also have 5% of the worlds population, and 25% of the worlds prisoners. Because it's profitable.

We are sucked dry in the US unlike elsewhere.

 

[Rrog]

And this is the part that sticks in the craw of the average American; they're brainwashed to believe that America is the BEST and no one else could possibly do a better job running their country or supporting their citizens.

Reposted for truth. Our system is not the best. Every stat shows this. We're unhappy, unhealthy and simply pay more is all