At what time will the networks declare Hillary as the winner?

[ttystikk]

Reposted for truth. Our system is not the best. Every stat shows this. We're unhappy, unhealthy and simply pay more is all

Worse, we believe what our news media tells us, even though they bought themselves the right to lie to us with impunity.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i haven't believed the news in years, ever since walter kronkite retired. he could tell you oompaloompas caused viet nam and you would have believed him.
i guess its part of my neuroses, but i tend not to believe anyone in any kind of position of authority. i just assume they're going to lie to me, and its my job to figure out what they're really up to.

 

[ttystikk]

i haven't believed the news in years, ever since walter kronkite retired. he could tell you oompaloompas caused viet nam and you would have believed him.
i guess its part of my neuroses, but i tend not to believe anyone in any kind of position of authority. i just assume they're going to lie to me, and its my job to figure out what they're really up to.

I'll believe them- when I know they're held accountable for telling the truth.

This is the basic problem with America today; some people aren't held accountable and so everyone else wants to be just like them.

That's a recipe for disaster and we're watching it happen.

 

[Budley Doright]

Don't know much about how things are re health care down there but I had a family from Ohio come every year to rent a cottage for two weeks, not extravagant but nice cottage, as did the parents before them. The wife had cancer and was doing ok with an eperimental chemo paid for by the husbands insurance (company), the plant went under and husband lost job, insurance was dropped, drug no longer covered and she died, husband then had eye sight issues and again no insurance to cover operation that may or may not have helped. He is now living in a rooming house just barely surviving and legally blind. It was just a fucking tragic story that I hope could not happen here but I'm sure it could. Our drugs are not covered by government so if you need a high dollar medication your fucked

 

[st0wandgrow]

Ive always thought our tax bill is somewhat more than in the states but I may be wrong, I'm talking the whole tax base, income, property, sales, etc..

Not really. I'm a Canadian that has lived in America for 20+ years. I've worked/paid taxes in both countries. The top marginal tax rate in Canada is higher. So people making $200,000+ per year will pay a higher chunk of that in federal taxes. Middle class families don't pay much more in Canada than they do here. From there it depends where you live as for provincial taxes, sale tax, etc. Alberta for example has no provincial sales tax, where as somewhere like Quebec you will pay almost 10% sales tax on top of the GST. You can't deduct the interest from your mortgage when you file taxes in Canada either.

I prefer Canada honestly. The healthcare, social safety nets, paid maternity time off, etc are all great. You get more for your tax dollars there than you do by paying out of pocket for those same things here...plus folks are just downright nice in Canada!

 

[SneekyNinja]

Translation = I got nothin but pent up juvenile angst fueled by confused testosterone.

No, what "I got" is that what you're saying is easily disproven if you look at the data from any othe developed nation.

Obama tried the middle ground, it doesn't work.

The old system however worked even worse.

 

[Rasta Roy]

Canada's system prevented private options and thus they had to come to America for superior care. I am for freedom of choice.

Healthcare is a product. People put their time and services into it just like any other profession. Giving it to the government ensures lack of advancement, waste, bureaucracy etc. You were not denied healthcare, you were denied affordable insurance. You could have paid cash to many doctors for services. It is all the bureaucracy, legislation, insurance and other factors that drive our healthcare costs up. Also, the people who dont pay are subsidized by the people who do pay which is why an emergency room visit is so damn expensive.

What is funny is that you are moving somewhere else to get a choice while advocating single payer on everyone else which completely removes choice.

Are you for choice and freedom or are you for monopolistic top down government?

If you want to see what it looks like, just check out the VA and it's waiting lines and fraud and waste and bureacracy and multiply that by 10000.

I want choice and freedom to choose, not government dictated health policy.

I disagree with your perception of their system. I disagree with a lot of people's perception of what is going on in this country. That's why I believe I would be happier somewhere where that is not an issue.

And im not advocating the concept of the choice. A lot of people don't have it. You can't just move to another country. But I'm fortunate enough to have the means and the record for it. So I'm taking it.

 

[NLXSK1]

I disagree with your perception of their system. I disagree with a lot of people's perception of what is going on in this country. That's why I believe I would be happier somewhere where that is not an issue.

And im not advocating the concept of the choice. A lot of people don't have it. You can't just move to another country. But I'm fortunate enough to have the means and the record for it. So I'm taking it.

Your answers keep sounding like you think I am trying to talk you out of it or something. I am in full support of your choice. Are you trying to talk yourself out of it?

What I find is that the grass might seem greener because the shit you are standing in is only visible close up. So you climb over the fence cause the grass looks greener and you realize you are still standing in shit of a slightly different color. If you are wealthy enough to do what you want then you are wealthy enough to pay for your own healthcare to private doctors that are happy to keep you healthy.

Congratulations, good luck, I hope I am wrong.

 

[Rasta Roy]

And this is the part that sticks in the craw of the average American; they're brainwashed to believe that America is the BEST and no one else could possibly do a better job running their country or supporting their citizens.

As it happens, I was born in Alberta and I have the option to return to the land of my birth anytime. Yet I have no other ties there and I like Colorado. I don't think the right wingers will destroy the place in 4 years. maybe 8...

Yeah they probably won't be able to tear it all down. For me it's more about the emboldened behaviors that I'm being confronted with in my daily life. These incidents were never this frequent before. And it's small stuff sure. But it's enough that I don't feel the need to put up with it.

 

[Rasta Roy]

Your answers keep sounding like you think I am trying to talk you out of it or something. I am in full support of your choice. Are you trying to talk yourself out of it?

What I find is that the grass might seem greener because the shit you are standing in is only visible close up. So you climb over the fence cause the grass looks greener and you realize you are still standing in shit of a slightly different color. If you are wealthy enough to do what you want then you are wealthy enough to pay for your own healthcare to private doctors that are happy to keep you healthy.

Congratulations, good luck, I hope I am wrong.

I know you're not trying to talk me out of it...you just keep throwing out some pretty heavy political rhetoric that I disagree with enough that it bears addressing. Lol. I might carry a little more civility than most you deal with but I still have a level where I can't help myself lol.

 

[NLXSK1]

I want less government, much less government and fuck both parties they are part of the government establishment.

My posts are not about politics.

 

[Rasta Roy]

I want less government, much less government and fuck both parties they are part of the government establishment.

My posts are not about politics.

I want more government. I am an Alexander Hamilton man. I believe in a strong federal government. It doesn't mean I agree with how ours is currently ran. But I'd prefer improvements as opposed to the shrinking approach America will be taking from now on.

 

[Rrog]

I want more government. I am an Alexander Hamilton man. I believe in a strong federal government. It doesn't mean I agree with how ours is currently ran. But I'd prefer improvements as opposed to the shrinking approach America will be taking from now on.

Same here. The states act like children. If we have 50 different interpretations of everything, child-like mentality comes out.

 

[ttystikk]

I want more government. I am an Alexander Hamilton man. I believe in a strong federal government. It doesn't mean I agree with how ours is currently ran. But I'd prefer improvements as opposed to the shrinking approach America will be taking from now on.

We don't need 'more' or 'less' government, we need BETTER government. And in order to ensure it happens on a regular basis, the chains of accountability for the consequences of one's behavior in office must be unbreakable.

Same here. The states act like children. If we have 50 different interpretations of everything, child-like mentality comes out.

Bad kids are those who grow up without the discipline of being held accountable for the consequences of their actions... conveniently, the flip side defines good kids.

This isn't hard, but America has been getting it more and more wrong for 40 years, ever since 1980's 'trickle down economics' bullshit and massive tax cuts for the rich.

 

[Captain Keg]

i'm guessing 1:15 am eastern time.

I'm guessing you'll be waiting awhile longer than that.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I want more government. I am an Alexander Hamilton man. I believe in a strong federal government. It doesn't mean I agree with how ours is currently ran. But I'd prefer improvements as opposed to the shrinking approach America will be taking from now on.

People act like big gov't is some boogeyman. Healthcare is a good example. In Canada, the government negotiates the prices for procedures directly with the health care providers, and then cuts them a check when services are provided. Here, we have giant corporations that negotiate those prices, and then cut the checks to the health care providers. Folks in America don't seem to mind a for-profit corporation doing it, but government doing it is bad. What they always fail to consider is that the corporation exists solely to skim profit. Billions of dollars spent annually on advertising, bonuses, etc, and folks don't see a problem with it.

Canadians spend roughly half per capita on healthcare costs as we do here, and yet they have a longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, and an overall higher satisfaction with the healthcare they receive.

 

[blaze 57]

I rarely come down here to read but this old thread is pretty funny to gander. Great for a late nite chuckle. Such great insight from the crystal ball posters. That 2016 Hillary electoral map was shattered.

 

[Fogdog]

I rarely come down here to read but this old thread is pretty funny to gander. Great for a late nite chuckle. Such great insight from the crystal ball posters. That 2016 Hillary electoral map was shattered.

There was much talk by Trumpers about draining a swamp.

Howz that going?

 

[ttystikk]

There was much talk by Trumpers about draining a swamp.

Howz that going?

Great! That sticky morass of accountability to the American People is being eviscerated even as we speak. Want to know what the future of America will look like? Just check out Puerto Rico!

 

[ttystikk]

No, what "I got" is that what you're saying is easily disproven if you look at the data from any othe developed nation.

Obama tried the middle ground, it doesn't work.

The old system however worked even worse.

Indeed it didn't, yet Mr Obama is being duly venerated as the Saint of the (neoliberal) 'Left' anyway.

No one cares about the little people anymore, they don't make enough money for it to be worth the trouble.