Please help!! AC broke down 1 week before harvest!!

[Olive Drab Green]

4 month veg....thats why she needs 1K per plant lol
Fuggin 6' monsters!!

Ah, that I can understand a bit better. That shit is going to take over the room. You should at least consider running less lights or switching to 600s for early to mid veg, if only to save cost. It'll be small enough in the first two months of veg that 600w should easily provide enough light for each plant. I just really hate to see you pay as much as you are, sorry if it seems I'm pushing.

 

[Snoopy36]

What, am I not allowed to shoot the shit? More or less, I'm just getting a feel for how she's running her grow.

@Snoopy36 How long do you veg, what nute system, medium, and what strains? Pure curiosity.

I attached my week 7, 8 &9 feed sched. I grow in coco loco, thinking of switching to supersoil for next run. I veg 4 months and 9 weeks of flower. Strains are gg4 and animal cookies. Also, I never do the full dose unless I see deficiencies.
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[Snoopy36]

In any case, it's more from the training and the plant needing to recover from the frequent and numerous toppings, paired with light intensity keeping her small.

I started with 24/0. I like the progression I'm getting with the short dark period now, though. With 24/0, it grew so slowly, she'd take a while to reach a point I could actually train her at. If you plan to train, top, etc. I'd recommend giving her a dark period.

Also! The plant roots better and recovers better in the dark, in case you didn't know, so just something to keep in mind for any future experiments in your runs. Cloning, you should give your clones a dark period, and don't give them full-on light. Try to keep then in a spot where they get some light, like side lighting, but it won't root fast or properly in full light.

Curious why would I need to give them a dark period when they're clones?

I only use clones. I prefer skipping germination and caring for seedlings lol

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I attached my week 7, 8 &9 feed sched. I grow in coco loco, thinking of switching to supersoil for next run. I veg 4 months and 9 weeks of flower. Strains are gg4 and animal cookies. Also, I never do the full dose unless I see deficiencies.

Most Riddlers like @Dr. Who and myself tend to follow Rid's (@RM3) assertion that less is more. So, good start.

I believe from your schedule you're running synthetics? If you get the chance to look into organics, you should check out Roots Organics, and if you like Coco, maybe check out their original medium (coco, peat, perlite, pumice, and various amendments). Might be something as intriguing to you as supersoil. Not a soil, but a soilless organic mix. You also have FoxFarms if you're thinking supersoil, I just prefer the utility of soilless because it possesses the stability of soil while functioning similar to hydro. And in organics, you don't really have to pH.

I'd recommend the Formula 707 if it didn't hold so much water, but it does have less initial amendments, so you can construct it how you want instead of waiting 3-4 weeks to reamend or top dress. I like it, personally, but with the caveat of only being able to water every 5 days. If the Original weren't amended more heavily than 707, I'd roll with that or Greenlite for indoors.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Curious why would I need to give them a dark period when they're clones?

I only use clones. I prefer skipping germination and caring for seedlings lol

Because plants root better in the dark due to hormonal function. Clones have every part of a plant except roots, and after they root, you can rock on like you're 3-4 weeks in veg. Clonex, a small pot with soilless mix (I use this and press any air out after coating the stem AND dripping some in the hole) or something like rapid rooters or rock wool, and two weeks or so, and you can clone all you want.

 

[Snoopy36]

Because plants root better in the dark due to hormonal function. Clones have every part of a plant except roots, and after they root, you can rock on like you're 3-4 weeks in veg. Clonex, a small pot with soilless mix (I use this and press any air out after coating the stem AND dripping some in the hole) or something like rapid rooters or rock wool, and two weeks or so, and you can clone all you want.

Great points thank you! Didn't know any of that. Just curious how you gather all your info? Do you just read random articles or books or experience?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Great points thank you! Didn't know any of that. Just curious how you gather all your info? Do you just read random articles or books or experience?

Combination of different books, investigating problems on RIU and learning the implications of leaf colors and postures (i.e. droopy, praying, bloated, curling) and what deficiencies or abundances they indicate, searching Google for specific queries like "typical PPFD of 1000w HPS," and just stuff like that.

Careful what you learn here if you see two people disputing it, some people are right, some people are misinformed, myself included, on occasion. Always cross-reference with other sources on the given topic if you can't determine which argument is more logical.

Bookswise, I have:

"Marijuana Grower's Handbook"
by Ed Rosenthal

"Cannabis Cultivation"
by Mel Thomas

"The Cannabis Grow Bible"
by Greg Green.

Don't buy "The Cannabible" which isn't the same as the Cannabis Grow Bible. Totally riddled with downright bullshit. Most obvious is the Chemdawg/Chemdog backstory.

And also, obviously through experience.

 

[Snoopy36]

Combination of different books, investigating problems on RIU and learning the implications of leaf colors and postures (i.e. droopy, praying, bloated, curling) and what deficiencies or abundances they indicate, searching Google for specific queries like "typical PPFD of 1000w HPS," and just stuff like that.

Careful what you learn here if you see two people disputing it, some people are right, some people are misinformed, myself included, on occasion. Always cross-reference with other sources on the given topic if you can't determine which argument is more logical.

Bookswise, I have:

"Marijuana Grower's Handbook"
by Ed Rosenthal

"Cannabis Cultivation"
by Mel Thomas

"The Cannabis Grow Bible"
by Greg Green.

Don't buy "The Cannabible" which isn't the same as the Cannabis Grow Bible. Totally riddled with downright bullshit. Most obvious is the Chemdawg/Chemdog backstory.

And also, obviously through experience.

I have the cannabis grow bible greg green. Would you recommend having more than one? Don't they all explain the same thing?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I have the cannabis grow bible greg green. Would you recommend having more than one? Don't they all explain the same thing?

Not quite. There are still some concepts of misinformation that are accepted in the mainstream but which have either been proven false or otherwise aren't entirely correct. Some books get some things right, other things wrong and between each other, they lay out a good knowledge base for you to extrapolate from as you experience it.

The Grow Bible by Greg Green and the Grower's Handbook by Ed Rosenthal will probably be enough. I think the last book's kind of bare-bones. Still offers a good start.

 

[Snoopy36]

Not quite. There are still some concepts of misinformation that are accepted in the mainstream but which have either been proven false or otherwise aren't entirely correct. Some books get some things right, other things wrong and between each other, they lay out a good knowledge base for you to extrapolate from as you experience it.

The Grow Bible by Greg Green and the Grower's Handbook by Ed Rosenthal will probably be enough. I think the last book's kind of bare-bones. Still offers a good start.

Okie thanks!

 

[Budley Doright]

What, am I not allowed to shoot the shit? More or less, I'm just getting a feel for how she's running her grow.

@Snoopy36 How long do you veg, what nute system, medium, and what strains? Pure curiosity.

Yes shoot the shit lol. I doubt that's all, I'm sure there will be more suggestions from your vast experience ..... ah see .

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Yes shoot the shit lol. I doubt that's all, I'm sure there will be more suggestions from your vast experience ..... ah see .

No need to condescend or insult. Whether you appreciate it or not, I do have experience. I don't mean to browbeat people with theory. I just feel like if you understand theory better, and especially if you learn to put theory into proper practice, you will advance your growing skills beyond the capacity of those who don't. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Just trying to help, sorry for being annoying.

 

[Snoopy36]

Lol did one of you steal the other's girlfriend?!

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Lol did one of you steal the other's girlfriend?!

Nah. Bud just wants to fuck me, but I told him I like women, and that he'd at least have to buy me a few drinks first. Right, Bud?

On the real, though, he just thinks I'm an upstart, which isn't completely untrue, but I'm confident enough in my ability not to mind him too much. He's not necessarily belligerent.

 

[Snoopy36]

Lol you have an uncanny ability to piss people off and then win them back with your knowledge, not gonna lie. I hated you and liked you about 10 times throughout this thread. Haha

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Lol you have an uncanny ability to piss people off and then win them back with your knowledge, not gonna lie. I hated you and liked you about 10 times throughout this thread. Haha

I'll do my best to convince you that you like me. No promises, though.

 

[Snoopy36]

I'll do my best to convince you that you like me. No promises, though.

Lol ok we shall see

 

[BobCajun]

That's very true, great points. I've already spent close to $9000 on this AC unit that runs 2 flower rooms and a veg room. I can't imagine spending any more money to change anything. I wish I knew this before! Perfect example of "do some research!!!" Before starting anything! Def dropped the ball on that one lol

With the 9k you could have bought a lot of COB LED lighting and reduced heat drastically then just bought a small inexpensive AC. If you have that much money to put into it why would you even mess around with HPS? Those are for bargain hunters not serious growers. Good for outdoor lighting but not good for indoor use due to horrendous heat. Even if you used air cooled HPS they would still be pumping out about 50% of their light as infrared, which causes anything it hits to heat up. Kind of like having a bunch of radiant heaters in there.

You said it's your first grow so I can understand you wanting to keep it fairly simple but I strongly recommend reading up in the LED forum section and upgrading to white COBs when you can.

BTW, apparently the 9k didn't buy much quality in an AC because it has no icing up protection. I don't know if such a thing exists but you would think. Look at how much trouble the icing caused you.

 

[Snoopy36]

With the 9k you could have bought a lot of COB LED lighting and reduced heat drastically then just bought a small inexpensive AC. If you have that much money to put into it why would you even mess around with HPS? Those are for bargain hunters not serious growers. Good for outdoor lighting but not good for indoor use due to horrendous heat. Even if you used air cooled HPS they would still be pumping out about 50% of their light as infrared, which causes anything it hits to heat up. Kind of like having a bunch of radiant heaters in there.

You said it's your first grow so I can understand you wanting to keep it fairly simple but I strongly recommend reading up in the LED forum section and upgrading to white COBs when you can.

BTW, apparently the 9k didn't buy much quality in an AC because it has no icing up protection. I don't know if such a thing exists but you would think. Look at how much trouble the icing caused you.

Yeah you aint lyin about that. But I'm back on track and looking better than the day before each day. I have to hope it doesn't happen again and it was just a fluke. If it does then I must have some serious issues. It's hard to let go of something you spent so much money on. Easier said than done. Could have bought another car in place of that unit! That's why it's hard to change anything. This works right now. I don't want to kill my crop. If I made it to 8 week flower than I must be doing something right... right?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

With the 9k you could have bought a lot of COB LED lighting and reduced heat drastically then just bought a small inexpensive AC. If you have that much money to put into it why would you even mess around with HPS? Those are for bargain hunters not serious growers. Good for outdoor lighting but not good for indoor use due to horrendous heat. Even if you used air cooled HPS they would still be pumping out about 50% of their light as infrared, which causes anything it hits to heat up. Kind of like having a bunch of radiant heaters in there.

You said it's your first grow so I can understand you wanting to keep it fairly simple but I strongly recommend reading up in the LED forum section and upgrading to white COBs when you can.

BTW, apparently the 9k didn't buy much quality in an AC because it has no icing up protection. I don't know if such a thing exists but you would think. Look at how much trouble the icing caused you.

I was going to say exactly this, but I felt I was already causing waves, so I held my tongue. If money's not an issue, you can achieve the same lighting intensity for less wattage using COBs. Most people avoid them due to startup costs, but if you have no issue coming up with the cash, you can keep the light intensity you have now AND keep your electric bill MUCH lower for less than what the entire grow would cost you under those 1kW HPS lights. No heat issues then, either.