The ballon mortgage of the fourth estate come due

choomer

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As most know, the majority (almost the totality) of MSM had some cognitive dissonance in regards to election predictions (as well as a good portion of regular "news" too).

The Arthur Sulzberger, Jr. (owner of the NYT) letter sent on November 11 to readers is below (italics added):

"To our readers,

When the biggest political story of the year reached a dramatic and unexpected climax late Tuesday night, our newsroom turned on a dime and did what it has done for nearly two years — cover the 2016 election with agility and creativity.

After such an erratic and unpredictable election there are inevitable questions: Did Donald Trump’s sheer unconventionality lead us and other news outlets to underestimate his support among American voters? What forces and strains in America drove this divisive election and outcome? Most important, how will a president who remains a largely enigmatic figure actually govern when he takes office?

As we reflect on this week’s momentous result, and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it
, we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you. It is also to hold power to account, impartially and unflinchingly.

We believe we reported on both candidates fairly during the presidential campaign. You can rely on The New York Times to bring the same fairness, the same level of scrutiny, the same independence to our coverage of the new president and his team. We cannot deliver the independent, original journalism for which we are known without the loyalty of our subscribers. We want to take this opportunity, on behalf of all Times journalists, to thank you for that loyalty."

Sincerely,
Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr.
Publisher

Dean Baquet
Executive Editor

Is this not a glaring admission of of NOT being dedicated to that simple core principle in journalism of telling the truth?
Why do you have to "rededicate" to a core principle that makes the profession of news reporting worthwhile?

How can they (MSM) not understand that it's this type of "news reporting" that drives people to alt-media sites, some just as biased in ideology as the MSM has proven to be?

News used to be news by being unbiased, succinct, and not omitting facts the advertiser would be unhappy with if reported.
Instead of that, the media seems to be delving more and more into that which they were willing to label as propaganda when coming from a foreign source.
Now the MSM has become that which richly deserved their derision for the use of propaganda as news in the past.

The priceless addition of MSNBC's Joe Scarborough (the Tom Hanks surrogate) lambasting the NYT is the height of irony.

 

choomer

Well-Known Member
Some intrepid individuals are making sure that such concerns are burned into the collective meme-ory.

 

choomer

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choomer how about trying not to be so divisive and talk about how we can correct the problem instead of blaming one side or the other?
How is pointing out the media (being owned by 6 corporations) is corrupt being divisive?

During the previous election cycle my favorite candidate got Bernied and there was much said (but not proven) about the biased state of the MSM.
It just this time there is proof.
 

Big_Lou

Well-Known Member
As most know, the majority (almost the totality) of MSM had some cognitive dissonance in regards to election predictions (as well as a good portion of regular "news" too).

The Arthur Sulzberger, Jr. (owner of the NYT) letter sent on November 11 to readers is below (italics added):

"To our readers,

When the biggest political story of the year reached a dramatic and unexpected climax late Tuesday night, our newsroom turned on a dime and did what it has done for nearly two years — cover the 2016 election with agility and creativity.

After such an erratic and unpredictable election there are inevitable questions: Did Donald Trump’s sheer unconventionality lead us and other news outlets to underestimate his support among American voters? What forces and strains in America drove this divisive election and outcome? Most important, how will a president who remains a largely enigmatic figure actually govern when he takes office?

As we reflect on this week’s momentous result, and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it
, we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you. It is also to hold power to account, impartially and unflinchingly.

We believe we reported on both candidates fairly during the presidential campaign. You can rely on The New York Times to bring the same fairness, the same level of scrutiny, the same independence to our coverage of the new president and his team. We cannot deliver the independent, original journalism for which we are known without the loyalty of our subscribers. We want to take this opportunity, on behalf of all Times journalists, to thank you for that loyalty."

Sincerely,
Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr.
Publisher

Dean Baquet
Executive Editor

Is this not a glaring admission of of NOT being dedicated to that simple core principle in journalism of telling the truth?
Why do you have to "rededicate" to a core principle that makes the profession of news reporting worthwhile?

How can they (MSM) not understand that it's this type of "news reporting" that drives people to alt-media sites, some just as biased in ideology as the MSM has proven to be?

News used to be news by being unbiased, succinct, and not omitting facts the advertiser would be unhappy with if reported.
Instead of that, the media seems to be delving more and more into that which they were willing to label as propaganda when coming from a foreign source.
Now the MSM has become that which richly deserved their derision for the use of propaganda as news in the past.

The priceless addition of MSNBC's Joe Scarborough (the Tom Hanks surrogate) lambasting the NYT is the height of irony.

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see4

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How is pointing out the media (being owned by 6 corporations) is corrupt being divisive?

During the previous election cycle my favorite candidate got Bernied and there was much said (but not proven) about the biased state of the MSM.
It just this time there is proof.
Your bullshit false equivalence is transparent. You're not convincing me.

If you diatribe of nonsense you not once mentioned Fox News or CNN but pointed fingers at MSNBC and the NYT as being the corrupt main stream media. Stop being divisive and include all parties at fault, not just the ones you don't agree with.
 

Big_Lou

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Your bullshit false equivalence is transparent. You're not convincing me.

If you diatribe of nonsense you not once mentioned Fox News or CNN but pointed fingers at MSNBC and the NYT as being the corrupt main stream media. Stop being divisive and include all parties at fault, not just the ones you don't agree with.
Why do you speak to him/it as if he's not a demented racist jackass? Huh, 'interesting' approach.......
:eyesmoke:
 

choomer

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Your bullshit false equivalence is transparent. You're not convincing me.
If you diatribe of nonsense you not once mentioned Fox News or CNN but pointed fingers at MSNBC and the NYT as being the corrupt main stream media. Stop being divisive and include all parties at fault, not just the ones you don't agree with.
There wasn't published evidence of Fox or CNN, therefore I didn't have PROOF of a long suspected trend.
Both the NYT and MSNBC are implicated in the emails that have proven beyond a doubt the unreliability of the MSM.

I can't help that it hurts your posterior that your favorite religion was the one responsible for the "news".
 

see4

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There wasn't published evidence of Fox or CNN, therefore I didn't have PROOF of a long suspected trend.
Both the NYT and MSNBC are implicated in the emails that have proven beyond a doubt the unreliability of the MSM.

I can't help that it hurts your posterior that your favorite religion was the one responsible for the "news".
Ok. You're just being obtuse and silly on purpose. I tried... oh well.
 

choomer

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Ok. You're just being obtuse and silly on purpose. I tried... oh well.
If you have evidence of those "news" outlets transgressing then by all means post it! I think ALL mainstream media is corrupt, but there is only solid evidence recently.
I did find that CNN is just as bad and has also proven to be corrupt:


But I really think "obtuse and silly" is the owner of a newspaper having to write an editorial on how they are going to "rededicate themselves to reporting the news" when it's plainly in the name of their business and any editorial is pretty much a "Oh shit, we got caught." gesture.
 

see4

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If you have evidence of those "news" outlets transgressing then by all means post it! I think ALL mainstream media is corrupt, but there is only solid evidence recently.
I did find that CNN is just as bad and has also proven to be corrupt:


But I really think "obtuse and silly" is the owner of a newspaper having to write an editorial on how they are going to "rededicate themselves to reporting the news" when it's plainly in the name of their business and any editorial is pretty much a "Oh shit, we got caught." gesture.
Yea, you're totally right bro. Fox News is definitely the only legit news station on the planet.
 

choomer

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Yea, you're totally right bro. Fox News is definitely the only legit news station on the planet.
Do you have a comprehension disorder?
You quoted me saying "I think ALL mainstream media is corrupt, but there is only solid evidence recently." and yet you make that supposition.
I'm more than willing to post evidence of Fox doing the same when I have easy proof of them doing the same but it gets harder to castigate them when they were amongst the 1st of the MSM to admit the existence of the emails that prove the others to be corrupt and even they didn't mention the WikiLeaks for a week.
 

see4

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Do you have a comprehension disorder?
You quoted me saying "I think ALL mainstream media is corrupt, but there is only solid evidence recently." and yet you make that supposition.
I'm more than willing to post evidence of Fox doing the same when I have easy proof of them doing the same but it gets harder to castigate them when they were amongst the 1st of the MSM to admit the existence of the emails that prove the others to be corrupt and even they didn't mention the WikiLeaks for a week.
I know. You're right. Fox News is legit and MSM is only CNN and MSNBC. And Breitbart is totally the place to get your top rated news. I get it man. No need to explain. Your arguments are totally legit. No, seriously, totally legit.
 

choomer

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I know. You're right. Fox News is legit and MSM is only CNN and MSNBC. And Breitbart is totally the place to get your top rated news. I get it man. No need to explain. Your arguments are totally legit. No, seriously, totally legit.
You choke down any load the MSM feeds you then, eh?
If you want to discount pretty bold evidence because it clashes w/ your paradigm I can't help w/ that cognitive dissonance.

I didn't use Breitbart.
I used the words (via Wikileaks) of Podesta, Brazile, Mills, Huma, etc.
Sorry your team let you down.
 

see4

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You choke down any load the MSM feeds you then, eh?
If you want to discount pretty bold evidence because it clashes w/ your paradigm I can't help w/ that cognitive dissonance.

I didn't use Breitbart.
I used the words (via Wikileaks) of Podesta, Brazile, Mills, Huma, etc.
Sorry your team let you down.
I read. And I use npr, AP, reuters and sometimes bbc, though that's become a bit yellow press lately.

But yea man, totally agree, Fox is legit. So is wikileaks. I mean it's totally vetted, all of it. amirite?

*sigh
 

Justin-case

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You choke down any load the MSM feeds you then, eh?
If you want to discount pretty bold evidence because it clashes w/ your paradigm I can't help w/ that cognitive dissonance.

I didn't use Breitbart.
I used the words (via Wikileaks) of Podesta, Brazile, Mills, Huma, etc.
Sorry your team let you down.


Buck said, you prefer to quote racist publications.:-)
 

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
How can they (MSM) not understand that it's this type of "news reporting" that drives people to alt-media sites, some just as biased in ideology as the MSM has proven to be?

News used to be news by being unbiased, succinct, and not omitting facts the advertiser would be unhappy with if reported.
Instead of that, the media seems to be delving more and more into that which they were willing to label as propaganda when coming from a foreign source.
Now the MSM has become that which richly deserved their derision for the use of propaganda as news in the past.

The priceless addition of MSNBC's Joe Scarborough (the Tom Hanks surrogate) lambasting the NYT is the height of irony.

What sort of news reporting? Does reporting facts disturb you? is it unfair to use a politician's words against them? Maybe you should have elected somebody with better impulse control.
 

choomer

Well-Known Member
I read. And I use npr, AP, reuters and sometimes bbc, though that's become a bit yellow press lately.
But yea man, totally agree, Fox is legit. So is wikileaks. I mean it's totally vetted, all of it. amirite?
*sigh
Such a deep field to compare/contrast the "news" you have!

You didn't seem to have a problem w/ the veracity of Wikileaks when it was doing to McCain what it did to Hitlery.
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/John_McCain_US_Presidential_election_Clinton_strategy_(2008)

Wikileaks is doing much better in the veracity field than CNN/NYT/MSNBC/Google these days. ;)
 

Freddie Millergogo

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Such a deep field to compare/contrast the "news" you have!

You didn't seem to have a problem w/ the veracity of Wikileaks when it was doing to McCain what it did to Hitlery.
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/John_McCain_US_Presidential_election_Clinton_strategy_(2008)

Wikileaks is doing much better in the veracity field than CNN/NYT/MSNBC/Google these days. ;)
All TV is sh*t. WikiLeaks, Assange and Kim.com are legit. Maybe Snowden too but he was CIA before he was NSA. Only decent newspaper is Investors Business Daily.

Mc Cain is a vile disgusting NeoCon war monger for the elites just like Clintons, Bushes, Obama and 85% of Congress if not more. They never met a war they did not want to start for the bankers and elites. Just like LBJ, FDR, Wilson, Lincoln. Every war is a manipulated situation by the wealthy elites and bankers - if you look deep enough.

McCain and his old man killed more American sailors than the Russians, Iranians or others ever did - see USS Foresstal and Liberty.

Nice avatar Choomer. Is that an Elkhound, Keeshound or one of those big Caucasians herding dogs.

 
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