Nutrient lockout with purpose?

[flodas]

Gooday i curently have 4 flowering plants that are ready for harvest. The problem is that i havent flushed them and they finished earlier than planed and now i need to flush them as fast i can.

Is it to my benefit to purposly do a nutrient lockout say i make the root zone pH under 5 or over 7 and starve them out to make a faster flushing so they will use up the stored nutrients. Any inputs are appreciated. I grow in coco / Flodas

 

[Chunky Stool]

Pour boiling water on the roots, then stick them back under the lights. Depending on how green they are, it will take between 3 and 7 days to fade.

 

[bryan oconner]

Pour boiling water on the roots, then stick them back under the lights. Depending on how green they are, it will take between 3 and 7 days to fade.

are you being serious ? can you tell us the benefits of burning the roots ? there is a lot of debates about flushing or not to flush .on roolitup . i dont want to open a major debate . if you want to run plain ph water for 5 days go for it . changing ph wont make the plants drink any faster .

 

[flodas]

Flushing ofcourse improves the quality of the weed. I dont whant to make them drink faster i whant them not to use the nutrients in the coco. I whant them to use up the nutrients in the plant as fast thats is possible if i make a purposed nutrient lockout they will automaticly use The stored nutes. Or do i think wrong in my idea? / flodas

 

[Chunky Stool]

are you being serious ? can you tell us the benefits of burning the roots ? there is a lot of debates about flushing or not to flush .on roolitup . i dont want to open a major debate . if you want to run plain ph water for 5 days go for it . changing ph wont make the plants drink any faster .

If you want to fade a plant fast, boiling water works great.
I don't give a crap if you believe me.

 

[DemonTrich]

Bull shit

Flushing is for the newbie grower who fucks up.

I've only flushed toilets past 3 yrs.

 

[flodas]

Bull shit

Flushing is for the newbie grower who fucks up.

I've only flushed toilets past 3 yrs.

Not really depending on what kind of nutrients you are using u dont whant to smoke chems more than nessesary.

 

[bryan oconner]

If you want to fade a plant fast, boiling water works great.
I don't give a crap if you believe me.

i want to know why boiling water works ? if you know why please tell us . dont get all pissed off tell us why you think it works and your experiences .

 

[Chunky Stool]

i want to know why boiling water works ? if you know why please tell us . dont get all pissed off tell us why you think it works and your experiences .

It's an old hippie trick. I learned about it from @RM3. I tried it & it works. If your buds are done but your leaves are still dark, boiling water will fade them faster than flushing, guaranteed.
There are many posts here on RIU that describe how it works. Roots become deprived of oxygen, which causes fermentation of residual plant sugars.

 

[Kingrow1]

i want to know why boiling water works ? if you know why please tell us . dont get all pissed off tell us why you think it works and your experiences .

There is also the ice technique where you pour freezing water through the rootzone. Any way of damaging nutrient absorbing root hairs i think. A valid technique but a bit of a far out one which can attract debate. Sure its easily found on threads via google for more accurate info

 

[SPLFreak808]

Dont worry about flushing if you have a healthy grow, plants still eat in the end just not as much. Starving them of nutes/oxygen is much much worse then tapering down the feed.

If you insist, then i agree with boiling the roots to speed up the cure.. Yes it works, I've tried it too when im in a rush for smoke but it slows the growth/ripening right then and there.

 

[dynospec]

Flushing ofcourse improves the quality of the weed. I dont whant to make them drink faster i whant them not to use the nutrients in the coco. I whant them to use up the nutrients in the plant as fast thats is possible if i make a purposed nutrient lockout they will automaticly use The stored nutes. Or do i think wrong in my idea? / flodas

Please cite resources

 

[majins]

Making a lock out is the worst way to go since once the plant has used up all of just 1 nute type it will stop processing any of the others that are still left in it.
Same with damaging the roots with hot or cold water, It will just use up what water is left in it but there may still be lots of nutes.

Stick to using plain water, If they have finished early (im guessing ready right now) another week of flushing wont hurt.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Stick to using plain water, If they have finished early (im guessing ready right now) another week of flushing wont hurt.

Over Ripening is not a good idea. Not only does it increase the chance of male flowers, it increases the risk of powdery mildew starting and spreading. Why? Because the plant is in a weakened state. It's dying, which makes it more vulnerable.

 

[Dr. Who]

Flushing ofcourse improves the quality of the weed. I dont whant to make them drink faster i whant them not to use the nutrients in the coco. I whant them to use up the nutrients in the plant as fast thats is possible if i make a purposed nutrient lockout they will automaticly use The stored nutes. Or do i think wrong in my idea? / flodas

Um,,,,,NO, it does NOT!

Please read -

I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".

Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!

Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!

I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.

Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...

The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!

There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)

There you go, Now have at it!
I'm stepping back to watch the circus.

Read this too!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/

 

[Kingrow1]

I think a really big point is that flushing wont make your bud dank if youve been overfertilizing it for 8 weeks prior.

 

[BarnBuster]

Flushing ofcourse improves the quality of the weed.

{{sighs, shakes head}}

 

[Chunky Stool]

I was *very* skeptical of the boiling water technique -- and it is a pain in the butt.
However, I found myself in a situation where my plants were definitely done and still way too dark, so I gave it a try. RM3 was kind enough to give me a few quick tips and let me know what to expect.
I've smoked a lot of weed in my life & the boiled batch is the smoothest herb I've smoked in a very long time. Usually my first bong rip of the day is a gagger and I cough a lot. Well I'm baked like a potato right now and didn't cough once.
Very nice...

 

[phunt]

Gooday i curently have 4 flowering plants that are ready for harvest. The problem is that i havent flushed them and they finished earlier than planed and now i need to flush them as fast i can.

Is it to my benefit to purposly do a nutrient lockout say i make the root zone pH under 5 or over 7 and starve them out to make a faster flushing so they will use up the stored nutrients. Any inputs are appreciated. I grow in coco / Flodas

No need to do any of this. If your plants are finished harvest them. Flushing is a myth nothing more. taking away nutrients isn't going to help your plants flower in any way. Unless you have toxicity in your medium then flushing would be useful, but not when your plant needs it most. If you dry and cure properly you won't have an issue as long as the genetics are up to par.

 

[flodas]

No need to do any of this. If your plants are finished harvest them. Flushing is a myth nothing more. taking away nutrients isn't going to help your plants flower in any way. Unless you have toxicity in your medium then flushing would be useful, but not when
your plant needs it most. If you dry and cure properly you won't have an issue as long as the genetics are up to par.

Sorry for my late answer. I didint flush them and they are really smelly and I cant feel any difference.