Molasses Info & Help

Darnova

Member
Hello, fellow purveyors of green!
I'm looking to create a comprehensive FAQ on Molasses, similar to my additives FAQ..

https://www.rollitup.org/t/faq-perlite-vermiculite-coco-coir-peat-moss.925906/

I have a pretty solid understanding of molasses and its plant usage, but there are blank spots I need help with. Here is what I've got so far..


What is Molasses?

Molasses is a liquid by-product of refining sugarcane or sugar beets into regular sugar. Without getting overly technical, there are 3 different kinds of molasses, and 2 different ways in which to make each of them.

3 Different Kinds:
To make molasses, sugarcane/beets are harvested and stripped of leaves. Its juice is extracted usually by cutting, crushing, or mashing. The juice is boiled to concentrate it, promoting sugar crystallization. The result of this first boiling is called "first syrup", and it has the highest sugar content. "Second syrup" is created from a second boiling and sugar extraction, and has a slight bitter taste. The "third syrup" is the third boiling of the sugar syrup and yields dark, viscous blackstrap molasses, known for its black licorice flavor. The majority of sucrose from the original juice has been crystallized and removed.

With most of the sucrose removed, blackstrap (3rd boiling) contains a higher concentration of healthy nutrients per volume when compared to either 1st or 2nd boiling.

2 Different Ways:
Unsulphured molasses is the processing of properly aged sugarcane/beets.
Sulphured molasses is when sulfur dioxide is used on younger sugarcane/beets as a matter of speeding up the manufacturing process. Sulfur dioxide is also used as a preservative and bleaching agent.

Unsulphured molasses is going to contain better organically healthy nutrients, since the sugar plants are left to mature more fully. Unless the container specifically states "Unsulphured", then you can assume it was processed with sulfur dioxide. Unless the container specifically states "Blackstrap", then you can assume it is a 1st syrup boiling.

If you intend to use molasses for your plants, Unsulphured Blackstrap Molasses is the best way to go.


Nutritional Value of Blackstrap Molasses per 2 teaspoons:

Basic Components
Calories - 32.12
Water - 3.92 g
Ash - 1.12 g

Carbohydrates
Total Carbohydrates - 8.31 g
Sugar - 5.85 g

Vitamins
Riboflavin - 0.01 mg
Niacin - 0.15 mg
Folate - 0.14 mcg
Vitamin B6 - 0.10mg
Pantothenic Acid - 0.12 mg

Minerals
Calcium - 117.32 mg
Iron - 2.39 mg
Magnesium - 29.38 mg
Phosphorus - 5.47 mg
Potassium - 340.57 mg
Sodium - 7.52 mg
Zinc - 0.14 mg
Copper - 0.28 mg
Manganese - 0.36 mg
Selenium - 2.43 mcg

Plants enjoy the benefits of all of the previously listed minerals present in molasses, though not equally. As you can see, blackstrap molasses is high in potassium, but missing nitrogen.


How is molasses applied to plants?

Molasses can be diluted in water and fed directly to the roots by the same method you might normally water a plant.

Molasses can also be diluted and sprayed directly onto the plant leaves for nutrient absorption (foliar feeding). However, this method is discouraged by botanists for the same reasons why they discourage spraying your plants with sugar-water. For one thing, it simply isn't necessary. Foliar spraying is only required when you need to get nutrients into the plant as quickly as possible. If your growing medium and fertilizer regiment is healthy and regular, you never need foliar spraying outside of possible pest control. Also, if you do need to get nutrients into your plant as quickly as possible, there are much better products available. Note that molasses contains no Nitrogen. If your leaves are yellowing due to lack of nutrients, you're much better off finding a product designed for nutrient foliar feeding. Most organic fertilizers can be used for normal root watering, as well as safely diluted for foliar spray. Botanists also discourage molasses used as a foliar spray because, like sugar water, it can attract unwanted, plant-harmful insects and pests. In fact, botanists generally discourage molasses being used as a normal root watering supplement. Sugary sweet liquid poured into your growing medium can also attract unwanted, plant-harmful insects and pests.


If the lab coat wearing, PHD accredited botanists discourage using molasses for watering of either kind, then why would anyone use it on plants?

One word.. Mycorrhizae.
Mycorrhizae refers to the beneficial root fungus, which forms a healthy symbiotic life-cycle with your plants. Mycorrhizae are not the bad surface molds or fungus, which can starve or damage plants.

In short, mycorrhizae lives on and around the root systems of plants. Sunlight kills mycorrhizae. Healthy mycorrhizae in your grow medium increases the rate at which nutrients are broken down by the fungus, which are more readily absorbed through the plants roots. In exchange, the plant's roots provide sugars to the mycorrhizae to keep the fungus healthy. A great symbiotic partnership.

Molasses can be used to feed and sustain mycorrhizae in the absence of a healthy root system from living plants. A gardener may create a diluted solution of molasses and water to pour onto their soil in order to feed the mycorrhizae until the root systems of the plants are able to take over the job. Once the plant and mycorrhizae reach a beneficial equilibrium, there is no reason to continue feeding molasses to the plants. As already mentioned, there are far better products which can be used as regular plant fertilizer.


Author's Note:
This next part is where I need some guidance from other growers. I've never really gotten into hydroponic or soil-less growing. But, I have heard that mycorrhizae can be introduced and thrive in purely hydroponic and soil-less grows. If that holds true, then is it possible that the increased water usage (compared to a soil grow) may then benefit from some form of constant molasses feeding to prevent the mycorrhizae from "starving" on the roots? Absent the mycorrhizae in hydroponics, it seems that molasses is not needed for hydroponic grows, as other products may produce better overall nutrient-based results.


As stated in the beginning, this FAQ is a work-in-progress. Any corrections and input would be appreciated.
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
You never put molasses in a hydro system, and it's not wise for use with soilless either!

You seem so engrossed in the use of molasses. To bad it's overblown and mostly myth.

It's only real thing is the feeding of myco life.....There are better ways to healthy or increased living bio's then adding molasses to soil!
Make and use AACT is the best and most truly effective way to increase bioactivity in soil grown plants
Concentrations of nutrient compounds are low and basically ineffective once mixed in safe ratios with water or feeds!
The idea of molasses increasing trichs and terps is an old school hippie myth.....I know as I was there.
To make the real use of nutrients in molasses, you would have to overuse it. The use of molasses can cause fermentation in the soil and/or cause an anaerobic condition. This will slowly kill off the plant.

The only real effective use of molasses is in making AACT teas! I go through plenty of it making that!

Bottom line!

You bring up botanists as saying don't use it! That's true! To damn bad so many people choose not to listen to them!

I suggest you take some Botany and Hort classes at your local CC, and learn before you attempt to write "growing guides"!

Trying to be as to the point and polite as I can!
 

Darnova

Member
My goodness. That's some potent and unnecessary emo, Dr. Who. :lol:
Truly, there is no need to textually pound your fist with loads of exclamation points.
Intelligent, well-reasoned sentences work very well.

That's why I'd joined the site. I much prefer calm, rational discourse over a message board filled with people who feel the need to yell or attack each other.

To quote myself, "As stated in the beginning, this FAQ is a work-in-progress. Any corrections and input would be appreciated."

At no point did I state that molasses is "best" for anything. Info about better alternatives, such as AACT is very welcome.
Never said anything about increasing trichs and terps.
There are a lot of nonsense myths about molasses floating around, which is why I'm writing a FAQ based on research. Hopefully we can put some of these foolish myths to rest.

Your note on unwanted fermentation in the soil is excellent. I knew that, but forgot to include it in the first draft.

Personally, I don't use aerobically activated compost tea (AACT), but am wanting to learn more.

Dr. Who, would you be willing to offer a bit more friendly information on AACT, which I could then add to the FAQ, and which could provide beneficial information to growers who may be confused about molasses?
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
My goodness. That's some potent and unnecessary emo, Dr. Who. :lol:
Truly, there is no need to textually pound your fist with loads of exclamation points.
Intelligent, well-reasoned sentences work very well.

That's why I'd joined the site. I much prefer calm, rational discourse over a message board filled with people who feel the need to yell or attack each other.

To quote myself, "As stated in the beginning, this FAQ is a work-in-progress. Any corrections and input would be appreciated."

At no point did I state that molasses is "best" for anything. Info about better alternatives, such as AACT is very welcome.
Never said anything about increasing trichs and terps.
There are a lot of nonsense myths about molasses floating around, which is why I'm writing a FAQ based on research. Hopefully we can put some of these foolish myths to rest.

Your note on unwanted fermentation in the soil is excellent. I knew that, but forgot to include it in the first draft.

Personally, I don't use aerobically activated compost tea (AACT), but am wanting to learn more.

Dr. Who, would you be willing to offer a bit more friendly information on AACT, which I could then add to the FAQ, and which could provide beneficial information to growers who may be confused about molasses?
I tend to be over the top and forceful in my presentations....I'm working on being calmer.....Trust me here, you wouldn't have liked it if I had said some things I had wanted to......

I will be blunt here. You may not like it but, you need to understand.

You know I just wrote out this long answer......SCREW it. While your intentions are good. You have a focus on how it "works" for growing microbes in the soil. Flat out it's NOT needed! You'll do a SHIT TON better by the use of an AACT if you want to add bio's to an already in use soil. Besides, If you used a properly built soil to start with. You don't need to "grow" more bio's! The soil will reach that optimal ratio by it's self. Then you have all these new myco sources that are becoming all the rage - like Great White.
It's in the soil, they'll get there...I suppose a boost wouldn't hurt but, it's not needed.....Again, throw a tea on it....

In synthetic use it's basically doing nothing anyway. The synthetics have smacked the bio's down to about nothing and molasses will have basically zero positive effect as your still hitting them with the synthetic anyway.....

It works in organic grows to feed the bio's. You don't need to! Organic feeds do it already!

In synthetic grows. Your simply wasting your money !

You think your helping and all that will happen is that people will read the part that you have about -

"One word.. Mycorrhizae.
Mycorrhizae refers to the beneficial root fungus, which forms a healthy symbiotic life-cycle with your plants. Mycorrhizae are not the bad surface molds or fungus, which can starve or damage plants.

In short, mycorrhizae lives on and around the root systems of plants. Sunlight kills mycorrhizae."

(BTW, Myco's don't just grow and live around and on the roots.)

And they will use it, even though you say Botanists say don't! NOR do you mention that it's only effective in ORGANIC growing!

The list of nutrient contents is not backed by the FACT that the levels of ANYTHING but the carbs in it have no real effect to feeding anything, and the carbs don't feed the plants. You list contents in mg.....So then, it takes 1000 mg to make a gram. If I were to make a 10% solution of P from just a 50% concentration of P sulfate (the readily available concentration ). It would take over 380 grams of of the P sulfate to 1 gallon of water to make that 10% solution.....Recheck your amounts.... See anything beneficial to nutrient value to the plant at a teaspoon or 2 to a gallon of water???

I admire your intentions!

Just skip the whole molasses thing (just like any real grow guide/book does) and work on something else...

The last Guy I met that was compiling grow guides. Wrote a book and tried charging $500 for it....as usual. It was filled with misinformation and myth.......No that your going to write a book,,,are you?

I already know your not going to like this....Life is tough, live with it.....

A "guide" on molasses should basically focus on it not being effective in media growing and why! It should promote the use of AACT and explain how to make it and how to use it!

Actual Botanists say don't for a reason - get it through your heads!
That's reality!
 

Darnova

Member
I already know your not going to like this...
You seem to have gotten the impression that I am a proponent or supporter of molasses in grows. No, I'm not. I never use it myself. The whole point of the FAQ is to kill the myths. And, no, I'm not writing a book or selling anything. Also, It's not a guide for using molasses, it's a FAQ about it. Big difference.

Of all the crazy theories out there, molasses has too many, like regularly using molasses as a foliar spray.

That the only reason some growers use molasses is to dump onto their soil for mycorrhizae health, which I've never recommended, seems worthy of addressing. That AACT is in every way better, and that using molasses as a drench is always a bad idea seems important. Exactly the kind of thing newer growers might need to know.

As legalization continues to expand in North America, the numbers of new growers is exploding. Now seems a good time to help kill off crazy, harmful myths about all aspects of marijuana horticulture.

When I was starting out I felt like a commercial dumpster for every crackpot, hair-brained, total nonsense myth about growing. I couldn't count how much time & money I've wasted on bad info over the decades. I'm not creating FAQs for personal gain. I'm doing it to help prevent new growers from becoming discouraged by wasted time and bad results. If creating a molasses FAQ, which ultimately states not to use it, proves helpful, then that's what I'm going to do.

EDIT: Google "marijuana molasses foliar" The bad information is still swarming around. You do not help the cause by attacking someone who actually, genuinely wants to help, and also happens to agree with you.
 

Darnova

Member
What is Molasses?

Molasses is a liquid by-product of refining sugarcane or sugar beets into regular sugar. Without getting overly technical, there are 3 different kinds of molasses, and 2 different ways in which to make each of them.

3 Different Kinds:
To make molasses, sugarcane/beets are harvested and stripped of leaves. Its juice is extracted usually by cutting, crushing, or mashing. The juice is boiled to concentrate it, promoting sugar crystallization. The result of this first boiling is called "first syrup", and it has the highest sugar content. "Second syrup" is created from a second boiling and sugar extraction, and has a slight bitter taste. The "third syrup" is the third boiling of the sugar syrup and yields dark, viscous blackstrap molasses, known for its black licorice flavor. The majority of sucrose from the original juice has been crystallized and removed.

With most of the sucrose removed, blackstrap (3rd boiling) contains a higher concentration of healthy nutrients per volume when compared to either 1st or 2nd boiling.

2 Different Ways:
Unsulphured molasses is the processing of properly aged sugarcane/beets.
Sulphured molasses is when sulfur dioxide is used on younger sugarcane/beets as a matter of speeding up the manufacturing process. Sulfur dioxide is also used as a preservative and bleaching agent.

Unsulphured molasses is going to contain better organically healthy nutrients, since the sugar plants are left to mature more fully. Unless the container specifically states "Unsulphured", then you can assume it was processed with sulfur dioxide. Unless the container specifically states "Blackstrap", then you can assume it is a 1st syrup boiling.

If you intend to use molasses for your plants, Unsulphured Blackstrap Molasses is the best way to go.


Nutritional Value of Blackstrap Molasses per 2 teaspoons:

Basic Components
Calories - 32.12
Water - 3.92 g
Ash - 1.12 g

Carbohydrates
Total Carbohydrates - 8.31 g
Sugar - 5.85 g

Vitamins
Riboflavin - 0.01 mg
Niacin - 0.15 mg
Folate - 0.14 mcg
Vitamin B6 - 0.10mg
Pantothenic Acid - 0.12 mg

Minerals
Calcium - 117.32 mg
Iron - 2.39 mg
Magnesium - 29.38 mg
Phosphorus - 5.47 mg
Potassium - 340.57 mg
Sodium - 7.52 mg
Zinc - 0.14 mg
Copper - 0.28 mg
Manganese - 0.36 mg
Selenium - 2.43 mcg


How is molasses applied to plants?

Molasses shouldn't be applied directly to plants, either as a drench or foliar feed. Here's why..

Molasses as a foliar feed is discouraged by botanists for the same reasons why they discourage spraying your plants with sugar-water. For one thing, it simply isn't necessary. Nutritionally speaking, foliar spraying is only required when you need to get nutrients into the plant as quickly as possible. If your growing medium and fertilizer regiment is healthy and regular, you never need foliar spraying outside of possible pest or disease control. Also, if you do need to get nutrients into your plant as quickly as possible, there are much better products available, such as compost tea. Note that molasses contains no Nitrogen. If your leaves are yellowing due to lack of nutrients, you're much better off finding a product designed for nutrient foliar feeding. Most organic fertilizers, such as compost tea, can be used for normal root watering, as well as safely diluted for foliar spray. Botanists also discourage molasses used as a foliar spray because, like sugar water, it can attract unwanted, plant-harmful insects and pests. In fact, botanists generally discourage molasses being used as a root watering supplement. Sugary sweet liquid poured into your growing medium can cause fermentation, which creates harmful alcohol. It can also attract unwanted, plant-harmful insects and pests.


If the lab coat wearing, PHD accredited botanists discourage using molasses for drench or foliar watering, is there any reason growers might use molasses?


Actively Aerated Compost Tea (AACT)

Some growers who use compost tea include molasses as an ingredient. AACT is an aerated solution that is teeming with billions of beneficial microorganisms which can be used as a soil drench to improve root systems or applied directly to the leaf surface of a plant as a foliar spray. AACT works by putting good biological diversity which your plant needs onto the leaf surface of the plant or in the soil. You can enjoy the benefits of healthy compost in a liquid form. Growers use compost tea as an organic fertilizer to provide a much needed diversity and population of beneficial bacteria, fungi, and protozoa in the soil food-web. Whatever your particular needs, compost tea will help you on the path towards a healthier, natural, organic garden.




This FAQ is an incomplete work-in-progress. Any helpful corrections and input would be appreciated.
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
What is Molasses?

Molasses is a liquid by-product of refining sugarcane or sugar beets into regular sugar. Without getting overly technical, there are 3 different kinds of molasses, and 2 different ways in which to make each of them.

3 Different Kinds:
To make molasses, sugarcane/beets are harvested and stripped of leaves. Its juice is extracted usually by cutting, crushing, or mashing. The juice is boiled to concentrate it, promoting sugar crystallization. The result of this first boiling is called "first syrup", and it has the highest sugar content. "Second syrup" is created from a second boiling and sugar extraction, and has a slight bitter taste. The "third syrup" is the third boiling of the sugar syrup and yields dark, viscous blackstrap molasses, known for its black licorice flavor. The majority of sucrose from the original juice has been crystallized and removed.

With most of the sucrose removed, blackstrap (3rd boiling) contains a higher concentration of healthy nutrients per volume when compared to either 1st or 2nd boiling.

2 Different Ways:
Unsulphured molasses is the processing of properly aged sugarcane/beets.
Sulphured molasses is when sulfur dioxide is used on younger sugarcane/beets as a matter of speeding up the manufacturing process. Sulfur dioxide is also used as a preservative and bleaching agent.

Unsulphured molasses is going to contain better organically healthy nutrients, since the sugar plants are left to mature more fully. Unless the container specifically states "Unsulphured", then you can assume it was processed with sulfur dioxide. Unless the container specifically states "Blackstrap", then you can assume it is a 1st syrup boiling.

If you intend to use molasses for your plants, Unsulphured Blackstrap Molasses is the best way to go.


Nutritional Value of Blackstrap Molasses per 2 teaspoons:

Basic Components
Calories - 32.12
Water - 3.92 g
Ash - 1.12 g

Carbohydrates
Total Carbohydrates - 8.31 g
Sugar - 5.85 g

Vitamins
Riboflavin - 0.01 mg
Niacin - 0.15 mg
Folate - 0.14 mcg
Vitamin B6 - 0.10mg
Pantothenic Acid - 0.12 mg

Minerals
Calcium - 117.32 mg
Iron - 2.39 mg
Magnesium - 29.38 mg
Phosphorus - 5.47 mg
Potassium - 340.57 mg
Sodium - 7.52 mg
Zinc - 0.14 mg
Copper - 0.28 mg
Manganese - 0.36 mg
Selenium - 2.43 mcg


How is molasses applied to plants?

Molasses shouldn't be applied directly to plants, either as a drench or foliar feed. Here's why..

Molasses as a foliar feed is discouraged by botanists for the same reasons why they discourage spraying your plants with sugar-water. For one thing, it simply isn't necessary. Nutritionally speaking, foliar spraying is only required when you need to get nutrients into the plant as quickly as possible. If your growing medium and fertilizer regiment is healthy and regular, you never need foliar spraying outside of possible pest or disease control. Also, if you do need to get nutrients into your plant as quickly as possible, there are much better products available, such as compost tea. Note that molasses contains no Nitrogen. If your leaves are yellowing due to lack of nutrients, you're much better off finding a product designed for nutrient foliar feeding. Most organic fertilizers, such as compost tea, can be used for normal root watering, as well as safely diluted for foliar spray. Botanists also discourage molasses used as a foliar spray because, like sugar water, it can attract unwanted, plant-harmful insects and pests. In fact, botanists generally discourage molasses being used as a root watering supplement. Sugary sweet liquid poured into your growing medium can cause fermentation, which creates harmful alcohol. It can also attract unwanted, plant-harmful insects and pests.


If the lab coat wearing, PHD accredited botanists discourage using molasses for drench or foliar watering, is there any reason growers might use molasses?


Actively Aerated Compost Tea (AACT)

Some growers who use compost tea include molasses as an ingredient. AACT is an aerated solution that is teeming with billions of beneficial microorganisms which can be used as a soil drench to improve root systems or applied directly to the leaf surface of a plant as a foliar spray. AACT works by putting good biological diversity which your plant needs onto the leaf surface of the plant or in the soil. You can enjoy the benefits of healthy compost in a liquid form. Growers use compost tea as an organic fertilizer to provide a much needed diversity and population of beneficial bacteria, fungi, and protozoa in the soil food-web. Whatever your particular needs, compost tea will help you on the path towards a healthier, natural, organic garden.




This FAQ is an incomplete work-in-progress. Any helpful corrections and input would be appreciated.
NOW we're getting somewhere! I like this..

Ok, a cpl of things that will give you some more knowledge to possibly work into the tea thing..

Any foliar use of the AACT is done with 18 hr old brew to apply bacteria to the plant surface to prevent or kill PM. (it changes the surface pH to ranges that do not allow PM to live. It lasts about 2 weeks. Fully brewing AACT takes between 36 and 48 hrs..
MOST AACT is used to supply those living bacteria and fungus in large amounts to the soil on a varying basis. Some use it little and some more often. The tea it's self does not supply much nutrient value. (adding nutrient compounds - organic of course. Will change the tea into a fertilizer tea.)

Molasses is used to feed the cultures so they grow and multiply. Much like an agar in a petri dish.

You might point out somewhere the dilution of the compounds in molasses makes it not a replacement for any real viable nutrient delivery.. Nice to have those trace amounts in the teas, and you got more from the materials used to make it. There are things to point out with that,,,,but many tea threads in the organic section - stickies too..

We can get along just fine here.....
 
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pseudobotanist

Well-Known Member
Dang I miss being here. It's been a loooong time since I've posted but it's kinda cool to see a member compiling some useful FAQ here.
 

Darnova

Member
Thank you for your help, Dr. Who. I genuinely appreciate it a lot. :D

I'm trying to keep the FAQ about molasses while avoiding confusion by delving too much into AACT, of which I am admittedly very ignorant about. I'm thinking that maybe I should remove references to foliar usage of AACT, since the info you gave suggests that it's not a simple "yes or no", "do or don't". Also, as you said AACT is not the same a fertilizer tea.

My train of thought is that the more info I include about AACT, the more info I'll have to include, so as not to create new sources of confusion.

I've been looking over the Organic section here and WOW!!
Loads of great info already posted & pinned like you'd said. I suspect that I'll spend most of this coming winter reading up on all of the natural goodness of the different types of grow teas.
 

NaturalFarmer

Well-Known Member
Could dregs from maple be used as a replacement if Im looking for local? Is there a sugar content % that I should be shooting for that is best?
 
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natureboygrower

Well-Known Member
I'm into the AACT/EWC big time!! I only use one tablespoon of Blackstrap molasses per 5 gallons of brew.not much.during my veg,I didn't add anything but molasses,ewc,kelp,and 1 cup of pond water that's on the property (I have no idea if this did anything,I read somewhere ithat could be beneficial lol).once I got into flowering I started adding powdered bat guano.to be perfectly honest,I was also adding some insect frass and bokashi to the mix,but I can't say if that helped or not lol.I'm still working on restraint with my mix!!
that being said,next grow im getting away from the molasses.some other members said there is something cleaner to use (i cant remember exactly right now,will have to look through posts) but it's more of like a crystal substance in place of the molasses which sounds awesome because molasses is messy!
great thread!
 

Thaddeus Thundabuds

Well-Known Member

What is Molasses?.......
...... Really? Molasses is a by- product of sorghum. Beets and sugar cane is how we get refined white sugar. I didn't read past the first statement . What is your angle on putting misinformation out there about molasses .?


Molasses is a liquid by-product of refining sugarcane or sugar beets into regular sugar. Without getting overly technical, there are 3 different kinds of molasses, and 2 different ways in which to make each of them.

3 Different Kinds:
To make molasses, sugarcane/beets are harvested and stripped of leaves. Its juice is extracted usually by cutting, crushing, or mashing. The juice is boiled to concentrate it, promoting sugar crystallization. The result of this first boiling is called "first syrup", and it has the highest sugar content. "Second syrup" is created from a second boiling and sugar extraction, and has a slight bitter taste. The "third syrup" is the third boiling of the sugar syrup and yields dark, viscous blackstrap molasses, known for its black licorice flavor. The majority of sucrose from the original juice has been crystallized and removed.

With most of the sucrose removed, blackstrap (3rd boiling) contains a higher concentration of healthy nutrients per volume when compared to either 1st or 2nd boiling.

2 Different Ways:
Unsulphured molasses is the processing of properly aged sugarcane/beets.
Sulphured molasses is when sulfur dioxide is used on younger sugarcane/beets as a matter of speeding up the manufacturing process. Sulfur dioxide is also used as a preservative and bleaching agent.

Unsulphured molasses is going to contain better organically healthy nutrients, since the sugar plants are left to mature more fully. Unless the container specifically states "Unsulphured", then you can assume it was processed with sulfur dioxide. Unless the container specifically states "Blackstrap", then you can assume it is a 1st syrup boiling.

If you intend to use molasses for your plants, Unsulphured Blackstrap Molasses is the best way to go.


Nutritional Value of Blackstrap Molasses per 2 teaspoons:

Basic Components
Calories - 32.12
Water - 3.92 g
Ash - 1.12 g

Carbohydrates
Total Carbohydrates - 8.31 g
Sugar - 5.85 g

Vitamins
Riboflavin - 0.01 mg
Niacin - 0.15 mg
Folate - 0.14 mcg
Vitamin B6 - 0.10mg
Pantothenic Acid - 0.12 mg

Minerals
Calcium - 117.32 mg
Iron - 2.39 mg
Magnesium - 29.38 mg
Phosphorus - 5.47 mg
Potassium - 340.57 mg
Sodium - 7.52 mg
Zinc - 0.14 mg
Copper - 0.28 mg
Manganese - 0.36 mg
Selenium - 2.43 mcg


How is molasses applied to plants?

Molasses shouldn't be applied directly to plants, either as a drench or foliar feed. Here's why..

Molasses as a foliar feed is discouraged by botanists for the same reasons why they discourage spraying your plants with sugar-water. For one thing, it simply isn't necessary. Nutritionally speaking, foliar spraying is only required when you need to get nutrients into the plant as quickly as possible. If your growing medium and fertilizer regiment is healthy and regular, you never need foliar spraying outside of possible pest or disease control. Also, if you do need to get nutrients into your plant as quickly as possible, there are much better products available, such as compost tea. Note that molasses contains no Nitrogen. If your leaves are yellowing due to lack of nutrients, you're much better off finding a product designed for nutrient foliar feeding. Most organic fertilizers, such as compost tea, can be used for normal root watering, as well as safely diluted for foliar spray. Botanists also discourage molasses used as a foliar spray because, like sugar water, it can attract unwanted, plant-harmful insects and pests. In fact, botanists generally discourage molasses being used as a root watering supplement. Sugary sweet liquid poured into your growing medium can cause fermentation, which creates harmful alcohol. It can also attract unwanted, plant-harmful insects and pests.


If the lab coat wearing, PHD accredited botanists discourage using molasses for drench or foliar watering, is there any reason growers might use molasses?


Actively Aerated Compost Tea (AACT)

Some growers who use compost tea include molasses as an ingredient. AACT is an aerated solution that is teeming with billions of beneficial microorganisms which can be used as a soil drench to improve root systems or applied directly to the leaf surface of a plant as a foliar spray. AACT works by putting good biological diversity which your plant needs onto the leaf surface of the plant or in the soil. You can enjoy the benefits of healthy compost in a liquid form. Growers use compost tea as an organic fertilizer to provide a much needed diversity and population of beneficial bacteria, fungi, and protozoa in the soil food-web. Whatever your particular needs, compost tea will help you on the path towards a healthier, natural, organic garden.




This FAQ is an incomplete work-in-progress. Any helpful corrections and input would be appreciated.
 

Thaddeus Thundabuds

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@Dr. Who is right you don't need much molasses and it's only really for feeding your microherd. I don't even use it at all anymore if you keep your soil healthy you never need it.
I have been looking for a list of beneficial fungi and bacteria. I have zho and mycorrhiza I dress my seedlings with and make a tea with worm castings and I use a little molasses to kick start the micro reproduction about 4 weeks into the grow.
Question is, would a wider range of different fungi and bacteria be more beneficial than just using zho and mycorrhiza?
 

NaturalFarmer

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I have been looking for a list of beneficial fungi and bacteria. I have zho and mycorrhiza I dress my seedlings with and make a tea with worm castings and I use a little molasses to kick start the micro reproduction about 4 weeks into the grow.
Question is, would a wider range of different fungi and bacteria be more beneficial than just using zho and mycorrhiza?
Yes always I believe. EWCs are going to provide a bunch but you could use insect frass, Indigenous MicroOrganisms, EM-1. LABs are easily made yourself and if you have rice you can attract microbes from large healthy trees, bamboo and others.

If you click on the KNF link in my signature and download the first manual. Dr Cho's methods are easily followed and understood.
 
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Thaddeus Thundabuds

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Yes always I believe. EWCs are going to provide a bunch but you could use insect frass, Indigenous MicroOrganisms, EM-1. LABs are easily made yourself and if you have rice you can attract microbes from large healthy trees, bamboo and others.

If you click on the KNF link in my signature and download the first manual. Dr Cho's methods are easily followed and understood.

Thank you very much NF. I will take a look.
 

Dr. Who

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I have been looking for a list of beneficial fungi and bacteria. I have zho and mycorrhiza I dress my seedlings with and make a tea with worm castings and I use a little molasses to kick start the micro reproduction about 4 weeks into the grow.
Question is, would a wider range of different fungi and bacteria be more beneficial than just using zho and mycorrhiza?
Yes! No doubt about it!

What soil are you starting with?

I ask because the soil will contain far more then your going to supply by simple additives.
I build my own soils.
I use my own vermicompost (EWC, even store bought EWC has a fairly wide myco spectrum.) I do believe that you are what you eat, so my worms get a wide variety of things to compost for me....That gives a better spread. I also use a steer/cow compost that brings even more to the table as far as new myco's.

Alfalfa meal contains some more and different ones also. I use a little of that in my basic AACT for those!
Kelp meal in the soil build adds some more different ones also.

Once I've built the soil and need to water it to begin the "cooking".....I use my basic AACT and add FUL HUMIX for the Humic and fulvic acids. The first in the bloom room watering is the same AACT mix and that's all I use it for (other then a short 18 hr tea in small amounts, filtered for use as an anti mold spray).

As far as a list goes......I know I contain these in my basic starter or "base" soil for sure. I know there are far more but I don't feel like having it tested to list them all.....kinda don't need to ya know?

Pisolithus tinctorius ..... Glomus intraradices
Rhizopogon amylopogon ..... Glomus mosseae
Rhizopogon fulvigleba ..... Glomus aggregatum
Rhizopogon luteolus ..... Glomus clarum
Rhizopogon villosuli ..... Glomus monosporum
Scleroderma cepa ..... Glomus deserticola
Scleroderma citrinum ..... Glomus brasilianum
Lacarria laccata ..... Gigaspora margarita
Lacarria bicolor ..... Glomus etunicatum


As for this base soil. It's my seedling/young plant soil that will feed for about 28-34 days - water only.
 
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