the 2020 democratic candidate (and VP)

[Fogdog]

Grassroots candidates, people who represent the middle-class. Sorry if you were looking for names because I don't have any

as I thought. Obsessed with Bernie to the point of being totally ignorant of other options. Kamala Harris seems promising but really new to the national scene. Any thoughts about her? In case you don't know, she was California's AG and recently won Boxer's senate seat.

Ron Wyden, Oregon's senior senator is pretty good, but small state politician and so has same obstacles faced by Bernie. Tim Ryan from Ohio is a loud but to me, sketchy politician. I don't much care for what I've read bout Booker.

 

[Big_Lou]

Naw too easy.
We talking about your wife sucking cock while you eating her, then he sticks that cock in your wife's vay vay. I guess you watch or continue eating. Not sure on that part. You two invited the bull maybe ??

Helllllll noooooooo. My wife and I are solid, no messing around.

Does this mean that I've never messed around? Absolutely not. A dude I worked with many years ago introduced me to the concept. We were working late and he mentions - out of the blue - that some "old white guy" paid him $500 to shower with his wife and screw her while he filmed the whole thing in a hotel room. (No faces.) Never having heard of such a thing, I was intrigued.

 

[UncleBuck]

The American people...know when someone is lying to them.

i'm pretty sure we both watched a different election then.

 

[Magic Mike]

Al Franken and Jill Stein should run then we could vote for Franken-Stein

 

[Big_Lou]

Personally, I thought you were better than that

Oh, but I am; it's why I put the offer out there!

 

[Padawanbater2]

as I thought. Obsessed with Bernie to the point of being totally ignorant of other options. Kamala Harris seems promising but really new to the national scene. Any thoughts about her? In case you don't know, she was California's AG and recently won Boxer's senate seat.

Ron Wyden, Oregon's senior senator is pretty good, but small state politician and so has same obstacles faced by Bernie. Tim Ryan from Ohio is a loud but to me, sketchy politician. I don't much care for what I've read bout Booker.

Harris is an establishment shill

Although charismatic, Booker leans that way

You asked me who I supported, I don't support anybody infected by the establishment. So it looks like we have work to do.

 

[UncleBuck]

Harris is an establishment shill

Although charismatic, Booker leans that way

You asked me who I supported, I don't support anybody infected by the establishment. So it looks like we have work to do.

i'm diagnosing you with a full blown case of trumpism.

my prescription is to get fucked in the ass by trump for a few years, the disease should run its course naturally.

 

[Big_Lou]

FFS, lou.

It's complicated, man.....

 

[Fogdog]

Harris is an establishment shill

Although charismatic, Booker leans that way

You asked me who I supported, I don't support anybody infected by the establishment. So it looks like we have work to do.

The liberal left needs moderates to bring off a win. That said, agree with you that Pelosi and Shumer are too well entrenched establishment leaders for my interest as a party leader in the 2020 run.

Booker has all sorts of ties with Wall Street, not "leaning" that way at all. Clintonesque in terms of his relationship with WS.

Hmm, Harris was a fairly active AG but there isn't much else that I can find about her otherwise. Just calling somebody a shill without details means nothing to me. What makes her a shill?

 

[SneekyNinja]

I think you lack optimism

If democrats push progressive candidates, they will win. The American people support progressive positions, they simply oppose Wall Street bullshit. They know when someone is lying to them.

However, the democratic establishment has been in full force pushing establishment shills like Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi. This shows you where the party elite is headed.. They have not capitulated, they have doubled down. 2018 & 2020 should be interesting...

Like a fart in the wind, your brain is gone.

 

[londonfog]

Like a fart in the wind, your brain is gone.

Bernie Brain Fucked

 

[Fogdog]

What does optimism have to do with it? The contest for control of the Senate is all about who is up for election in 2018. Nobody is conceding anything but to be realistic, some seats are going to be lost. Those seven million that sat out the 2016 election shot out the lights in the senate for the Democrats and awarded Trump the presidency. Thank you idealistic millenials. Would it be too much to ask them to come down from the mountain top and start learning how to work with people you mostly agree with? Their hero, Sanders knows this.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/senate-democrats-2018-midterms-231516
Reeling Democrats confront brutal 2018 Senate map
A filibuster-proof majority isn't out of the question if things break right for the GOP.

Still nursing their wounds after last week’s thrashing, Democrats already are grappling with how to defend 10 senators up for reelection in 2018 in states that Donald Trump carried, some resoundingly. Republicans are targeting a quintet of senators from conservative states where Trump walloped Hillary Clinton: Montana, Missouri, Indiana, North Dakota and West Virginia. The GOP could amass a filibuster-proof majority by running the table in those states and other battlegrounds.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Bernie Brain Fucked

He's so angry that he didn't get Bernie "so much free shit" Sanders (he's either unemployed or minimum wage, can't remember, either way he's a broke-dick) that he's gonna unconsciously fuck himself in the ass supporting Trump by proxy.

And he blames all of his ills on someone else like a dirty Republican would.

Brain rot from 6 months of non stop meth use. Has to be...

 

[Fogdog]

He's so angry that he didn't get Bernie "so much free shit" Sanders (he's either unemployed or minimum wage, can't remember, either way he's a broke-dick) that he's gonna unconsciously fuck himself in the ass supporting Trump by proxy.

And he blames all of his ills on someone else like a dirty Republican would.

Brain rot from 6 months of non stop meth use. Has to be...

It was up to Clinton to convince them to vote for her. Clinton didn't run on a jobs and defense platform and she made a yuuuuuge mistake not recognizing how much harm her cozy ties with Wall Street hurt her with an important group that turned out to be decisive. Why the fuck couldn't she keep her work separate from her personal life? Then it was "Stronger together" and "we aren't deplorable". Admit that she was a crappy candidate and ran a crappy campaign.

 

[UncleBuck]

It was up to Clinton to convince them to vote for her. Clinton didn't run on a jobs and defense platform and she made a yuuuuuge mistake not recognizing how much harm her cozy ties with Wall Street hurt her with an important group that turned out to be decisive. Why the fuck couldn't she keep her work separate from her personal life? Then it was "Stronger together" and "we aren't deplorable". Admit that she was a crappy candidate and ran a crappy campaign.

she won overwhelmingly on the economy and national defense.

trump ran the table on immigration and terrorism. scared just enough white people (with more heavily weighted votes) votes to win.

the con did not work on wealthier whites and POC though, for obvious reasons.

 

[Fogdog]

she won overwhelmingly on the economy and national defense.

trump ran the table on immigration and terrorism. scared just enough white people (with more heavily weighted votes) votes to win.

the con did not work on wealthier whites and POC though, for obvious reasons.

Her message on the economy was weak. Her need to back track regarding TPP showed she was tone deaf. Democrats are going to have a hard time selling their stand on immigration regardless of the candidate. I think the people who were convinced about the terrorist threat were already in the GOP camp for racist or bigoted reasons. She never really dealt with criticism about the turmoil in the middle east that developed during her time as SOS.

 

[UncleBuck]

Her message on the economy was weak. Her need to back track regarding TPP showed she was tone deaf. Democrats are going to have a hard time selling their stand on immigration regardless of the candidate. I think the people who were convinced about the terrorist threat were already in the GOP camp for racist or bigoted reasons. She never really dealt with criticism about the turmoil in the middle east that developed during her time as SOS.

trump word salad-ed his way through answers to the middle east in the debates, no one cared.

the trump message was clear: the elites took your jobs and the brown people are coming to kill you. it worked on dumb poor uneducated whites. wealthier and college educated whites shifted towards clinton.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I just wrapped up another very successful nine month grow and work season, boi. I'll do whatever the fuck I want with my time off thank you. What was it you do again Bernie baby?

Ahh, you grow weed. lol

So you'll be bussing tables soon when the shit hits the fan...

 

[Fogdog]

trump word salad-ed his way through answers to the middle east in the debates, no one cared.

the trump message was clear: the elites took your jobs and the brown people are coming to kill you. it worked on dumb poor uneducated whites. wealthier and college educated whites shifted towards clinton.

And seven million voters -- most with college education -- did not come to the polls because they didn't see Clinton as their representative. It was Clinton's vote to lose and lose it she did. By the time the primary wound down, there was a cadre of young liberals who hated Clinton. Not just for her establishment reputation but the DNC fuck up was simply awful. She lost the millenial vote. Trump got no support from the young liberals.

I supported Clinton and thought she would be a good president. I can also see why other liberals would want to argue with that statement.

 

[st0wandgrow]

that question seemingly stays shamefully unanswered

Im doing fine. I've been pulling in 6 figures since the age of 20. If I told you what I did, and do for a living you wouldn't believe me anyway.