Make Liberalism Great Again

[londonfog]

Technically, you get it deducted from your income which lowers your taxes resulting in a larger return.. If you had no income, it would not effect you or benefit you. It is an important distinction.

Hey, do you have cable tv or eat steak?

she eats steak around the 1st...after the 15th it is back to bologna

 

[ttystikk]

You are poor. You are on welfare. You look forward to getting your EIC, so that and the 1000 bucks you get for your child has to last at least until ???? June. Then you are very broke again. How do you think a fucking voucher will take care of your families illness? Do you know the cost of some illnesses. Hell you wouldn't be able to pay for another pregnancy. Why do you vote against your own interest ?

Indeed. By my own estimation, less than 10% of his supporters will see anything concretely beneficial at all from his started policy goals and in fact I'd bet on them being worse off.

America's electorate is furious with Washington, but they're manipulated right into its snare time and again.

 

[londonfog]

Indeed. By my own estimation, less than 10% of his supporters will see anything concretely beneficial at all from his started policy goals and in fact I'd bet on them being worse off.

America's electorate is furious with Washington, but they're manipulated right into its snare time and again.

I want to feel for them but fuck em.
Protect my own interest now.

 

[ttystikk]

I want to feel for them but fuck em.
Protect my own interest now.

The parallels with our current politics and those of 1920s Germany are chilling.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

I am technically poor and I have mortgage interest credits and child credits. You are aware that poor people get alot of money back in taxes just for having kids right?

Just because you are poor does not mean you cannot get a house. FHA loans only require 3.5% plus closing costs. You won't be able to afford a BIG house but you will be able to claim your interest on the mortgage. I get about 1500-2000 added onto my return from having a mortgage.

So you itemize deductions? I hope you have enough other allowable deductions to equal the standard deduction.

 

[UncleBuck]

I am technically poor and I have mortgage interest credits and child credits. You are aware that poor people get alot of money back in taxes just for having kids right?

Just because you are poor does not mean you cannot get a house. FHA loans only require 3.5% plus closing costs. You won't be able to afford a BIG house but you will be able to claim your interest on the mortgage. I get about 1500-2000 added onto my return from having a mortgage.

mortgage interest is deducted from taxable income you fucking retard.


edit: LOL, covered multiple times already.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Liberalism is, but the party that's supposed to represent it isn't doing a very good job of it. The Democratic Party has become the party of Wall Street. Liberalism values workers rights. The two are diametrically opposed, which is the single largest variable as to why the Democrats lost the election.

Make the Democratic Party great again, like FDR and LBJ great, only better. Make it great or purge it from existence and let a new, legitimately liberal party emerge that actually represents the middle-class and end the Republican stranglehold all across the country

Liberalism is doing just fine, it's just not always winning elections. The Democrats have won the popular vote 4 of the past 5 elections. The one election we lost was 2004 against incumbent Bush 2, who wouldn't have been there in the 1st place if we elected presidents by direct popular vote.

So I view the 18th century voting system as the biggest problem here. Obviously, all votes don't count equally. And only the winners can consider that to be fair, and only because they won.

Just because you take money from somebody, it doesn't mean they own you. Those that donate money are trying to get some degree of influence, but maybe as little as having their preferred party in power who historically has benefited them in the past.

It doesn't mean that you'll get everything you want or even anything you want. It's more like 'playing the percentages'. They have an opinion that this candidate will be better than the other to their business.

I worked for a multimillion dollar metals company that routinely donated to BOTH sides in senatorial races. They wanted help against what they viewed as unfair trade and foreign gov't. subsidized dumping. Sometimes they got help, sometimes not. If a profitable company files a trade complaint, they sometimes lose just because they are profitable and appears that they're just whining or trying to get a bigger piece of the market.

Just because Clinton got money from certain people didn't guarantee those people a thing. So I don't think the 'wall street control' thing is as 'controlling' as it appears in campaign donations. Certainly I'd like to see some reforms in the investment communities. I think there was a better chance of that had Clinton won, despite campaign contributions. Maybe they're aware that the whole economy is driven by consumer confidence and the Democrats would be more willing to bail them out if another 2008 happens, as opposed to letting everyone suffer through a depression again. Maybe.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Liberalism is doing just fine, it's just not always winning elections. The Democrats have won the popular vote 4 of the past 5 elections. The one election we lost was 2004 against incumbent Bush 2, who wouldn't have been there in the 1st place if we elected presidents by direct popular vote.

So I view the 18th century voting system as the biggest problem here. Obviously, all votes don't count equally. And only the winners can consider that to be fair, and only because they won.

Yeah, but this is not going to be changing anytime soon.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Yeah, but this is not going to be changing anytime soon.

Yeah, I know.

I guess I'm just bothered by the fact that all votes aren't equal. It just seems to go against the grain of what elections should be all about.

In the end, the general election polls weren't off at all. Clinton was up 3% with a 3.5% error margin.
She won by over 2%. She just didn't win Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

This EC system was put in place during legal slavery and slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person for the sake of representation. It isn't necessary. The original intent was to be able to 'correct' an election if deemed necessary over 200 years ago. Nice 'correction' this year, right?

 

[Big_Lou]

she eats steak around the 1st...after the 15th it is back to bologna

 

[tangerinegreen555]

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Jefferson on a food stamp.
As if the $2 bill and nickel weren't enough.

 

[UncleBuck]

here's an idea: let's lie our asses off and spread fake news about the right.

if it is pointed out that nothing we are saying has any basis in fact, we'll plainly state that "the fact is that we feel this to be true".

 

[Fogdog]

Liberalism will be great again when it stands for this:

Liberalism still represents individual freedom, equality before the law, possession of private property, clear constitutional limits on governmental power, and representative and democratic political decision making.

Your conservative president is against a constitutionally guarantees of a free press, against freedom of speech punishable by stripping the offender of his citizenship and for constitutionally illegal stop and search. A legal recount is a "scam". The only property he recogizes is his own and his kleptocracy is intent on expanding all of that. And what about his accepting money from foreign powers?

 

[UncleBuck]

i heard in addition to starting 8 businesses in saudi arabia while campaigning, he also accepted 3 dozen teenage prostitutes which he keeps locked up in a secret room in trump tower.

the crooked media won't report on it, but i feel it to be true. and my feelings are a fact!

 

[Big_Lou]

Jefferson on a food stamp.
As if the $2 bill and nickel weren't enough.

Yeah, he was quite the repugnant fuck.

Good 'ol food stamps, though.....a few family friends got them back in the day.....we'ed hit Bevilaqua's and use the singles on shit like Tootsie Rolls and Hot Balls, getting back .90-.98 each time, which went straight to the arcades/cigs/cheap wine/etc.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

i heard in addition to starting 8 businesses in saudi arabia while campaigning, he also accepted 3 dozen teenage prostitutes which he keeps locked up in a secret room in trump tower.

the crooked media won't report on it, but i feel it to be true. and my feelings are a fact!

Lol. 'Feelings' are everything these days.

Fuck those annoying facts.

 

[Fogdog]

Lol. 'Feelings' are everything these days.

Fuck those annoying facts.

I get too bogged down on those facts which theoretically might be right but not where people's feelings are. I feel that Trump is converting the White House Basketball court into a lounge with three bars, red lights, padded floors and strange furniture. If anybody tries to show me that the basketball court is there, I'll just say I feel he's wrong. Checkmate.

 

[ThickStemz]

Don't dispense advice when you are an imbecile.

If there were a way to see who was more intelligent between the two of us, I've got $100 to the charity of your choice it you win, or you lose and donate $100.

 

[UncleBuck]

If there were a way to see who was more intelligent between the two of us, I've got $100 to the charity of your choice it you win, or you lose and donate $100.

how about we make it about who thinks it's OK to have sex with large breed dogs instead?

 

[ThickStemz]

how about we make it about who thinks it's OK to have sex with large breed dogs instead?

Or perhaps who's wife has gained the most weight since marriage?