Bugeye
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Sounds horrible. Are you ok?
Pile of curing weed
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chchhazed
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yeah ... have had to go through quite a bit of therapy and have just been put on a new medication but other than that iam not coping to badly ... The doctor says that given the correct treatment plan and a few more months off work and I will come right ..... I hope he is right ...
Bugeye
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I'm sending you some positive energy...be receptive and maybe it will help! Good luck!yeah ... have had to go through quite a bit of therapy and have just been put on a new medication but other than that iam not coping to badly ... The doctor says that given the correct treatment plan and a few more months off work and I will come right ..... I hope he is right ...
BobCajun
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Mine isn't buried though, so it's not mud bud. I prefer to call it "cured bud". And yes it does somewhat resemble turds, or animal droppings. That's the beauty of it. If cops see it they think it's a bag of dog poop from when you walked your dog. They just let you go about your business. Think they're gonna open it and smell it? They've been stung before. They won't open what looks like a bag of dog poop and smell it more than 4 or 5 times before they learn it's a bad idea.
chchhazed
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Hell yes , i can see your logic there .... well , either way , what ever you call it ... if you like it ... who cares what anyone else likes aye ..
BobCajun
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That's my philosophy. If they don't like brown weed they're welcome to their green weed. I just thought I'd show what it looks like and explain how I did it. Some people seem to have taken offense to my Bud McNuggets. Weird.
chchhazed
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Yep good on ya mate ... Its good to see how everyone else does things... I wont be curing your way anytime soon but interesting to read about it ...
BobCajun
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I found out what fermenting weed smells like. The trim in the container stayed too wet because it was in plastic and started smelling like ammonia. Pretty heinous actually. Glad the buds didn't get like that. Supposedly fermentation is a good thing but it sure does stink until the ammonia dissipates.
BobCajun
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I tested a couple buds and the sugar made it quite harsh. So I had to rinse the buds with water, with a little tartaric acid added to neutralize any ammonia. Then rinses with plain water. Turned out great. That's the good thing about sugar, it's water soluble, unlike starch, which is what's in green weed.
BobCajun
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Washing your buds after they're slightly dried, as shown in my second image, is the key to ultimate mildness and reduced toxins. It's way smoother and also more potent due to being reduced in total weight, probably about 10-20% more potent, depending on how much sugar actually washes out.
MisterBouncyBounce
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I read the whole thread and find it unexpectedly interesting. I thought it was just going to be a typical showing my frosty buds thread. But as soon as i saw "brown" weed and high drying temperatures I knew the OP was in for a ton of shit.
Quiet an atypical thread.
he's gotten a lot of crap but he's held his own pretty well.
on the other hand, posting it like "oh here's some weed curing" like it's just same old same old you expect to see. He had to expect a lot of shit and people telling him his doing it wrong and yadda yadda.
Instead if he had presented it something like "I know you'll think I'm crazy but this is how.........." or "unconventional way curing weed" people would've been prepared and would have reacted differently.
Putting that aside. I find it very interesting and he as made a case for himself. as for it being called bro science, well actually that is what the conventional way of curing is, there is no scientific basis that I know of, for "hanging it for 3 days at 80 degrees, then putting it in paper sacks for another few days, then jars that get burped.".
who really says that's right? some bro who does it.
I'm not siding with the OP, he maybe wrong......or not. but if you ask him for science, you should provide science yourself.
He is using tobacco as a model to extrapolate from because it is leaf matter and has had a LOT of scientific work and analysis for combustible consumption. . unlike Cannabis buds.
Tobacco and Cannabis are two different plants yes, but they both are plants and they both use photosynthesis and chlorophyll, and the main thing before anything else becomes important is the break down of chlorophyll.
everyone agrees that if chlorophyll isn't broken down the bud will be harsh and that the more amount of chlorophyll gets broken down the better. I am sure we all agree on that.
how can we tell if a leaf has chlorophyll in it? rule of thumb is by it's color. if it's green, the leaf has chlorophyll in it. the more chlorophyll is broken down the less green the leaf becomes.
His buds are not green so it appears that there is no chlorophyll left in them. that's supposed to be a good thing. that point has been mentioned in this thread but it's like been glossed over.
we're not scientists so we have to rely on own common senses until something better comes along.
so we look at the slow age cure method and see green buds and so it is natural to say they still have chlorophyll. and they likely do at least for most people.
but we all know chlorophyll stains like a bitch and so it can be that the plant matter has been stained green now that the chlorophyll is no longer there. it has a green pigment but the chemical chlorophyll has been broken completely down.
when a bud gets that sort of faded drab Army/Olive green, it usually smokes very well.
I'v always wondered why some leaves, like big fan leaves, turn yellow and keep getting lighter in color until they are a crumbly beige and other leaves get just as crumbly but stay green?
And it seems the smaller the leaf the greener it stays.
now as far as I know, "curing" weed beyond breaking down of chlorophyll is about stabilizing it so it can be persevered and stay the same over time.
so if breaking down chlorophyll is what makes a smooth smoke, and the OP's method breaks down chlorophyll without degrading the desired active ingredients, then i don't see how anyone can say it is shit.
If decarboxylation takes place around 240F, more than double the temps we're talking about here, then how much degrading can be going on at 110F degrees?
If the following is happening: chlorophyll is practically completely broken down within days without degrading other essential compounds then what is the problem?
if aging then takes place and if what the aging does is break down sugars and such that makes the smoke better. then it is happening for both methods.
the only difference he is breaking down the chlorophyll first and at once, while the traditional method (when done right) does it slower. the other chemical processes that occur have the same slow time to do it in.
that also means the OP's weed will smoke smooth a lot sooner because at least the chlorophyll is gone right off the bat.
now with all that being said, I personally don't know if the browning does indeed mean chlorophyll is gone, nor do I know if other things aren't being degraded.
What about people that live in Arizona or Nevada, they can't cure weed proper during some times of the year because it gets so hot?
I don't know. but it is interesting.
Quiet an atypical thread.
he's gotten a lot of crap but he's held his own pretty well.
on the other hand, posting it like "oh here's some weed curing" like it's just same old same old you expect to see. He had to expect a lot of shit and people telling him his doing it wrong and yadda yadda.
Instead if he had presented it something like "I know you'll think I'm crazy but this is how.........." or "unconventional way curing weed" people would've been prepared and would have reacted differently.
Putting that aside. I find it very interesting and he as made a case for himself. as for it being called bro science, well actually that is what the conventional way of curing is, there is no scientific basis that I know of, for "hanging it for 3 days at 80 degrees, then putting it in paper sacks for another few days, then jars that get burped.".
who really says that's right? some bro who does it.
I'm not siding with the OP, he maybe wrong......or not. but if you ask him for science, you should provide science yourself.
He is using tobacco as a model to extrapolate from because it is leaf matter and has had a LOT of scientific work and analysis for combustible consumption. . unlike Cannabis buds.
Tobacco and Cannabis are two different plants yes, but they both are plants and they both use photosynthesis and chlorophyll, and the main thing before anything else becomes important is the break down of chlorophyll.
everyone agrees that if chlorophyll isn't broken down the bud will be harsh and that the more amount of chlorophyll gets broken down the better. I am sure we all agree on that.
how can we tell if a leaf has chlorophyll in it? rule of thumb is by it's color. if it's green, the leaf has chlorophyll in it. the more chlorophyll is broken down the less green the leaf becomes.
His buds are not green so it appears that there is no chlorophyll left in them. that's supposed to be a good thing. that point has been mentioned in this thread but it's like been glossed over.
we're not scientists so we have to rely on own common senses until something better comes along.
so we look at the slow age cure method and see green buds and so it is natural to say they still have chlorophyll. and they likely do at least for most people.
but we all know chlorophyll stains like a bitch and so it can be that the plant matter has been stained green now that the chlorophyll is no longer there. it has a green pigment but the chemical chlorophyll has been broken completely down.
when a bud gets that sort of faded drab Army/Olive green, it usually smokes very well.
I'v always wondered why some leaves, like big fan leaves, turn yellow and keep getting lighter in color until they are a crumbly beige and other leaves get just as crumbly but stay green?
And it seems the smaller the leaf the greener it stays.
now as far as I know, "curing" weed beyond breaking down of chlorophyll is about stabilizing it so it can be persevered and stay the same over time.
so if breaking down chlorophyll is what makes a smooth smoke, and the OP's method breaks down chlorophyll without degrading the desired active ingredients, then i don't see how anyone can say it is shit.
If decarboxylation takes place around 240F, more than double the temps we're talking about here, then how much degrading can be going on at 110F degrees?
If the following is happening: chlorophyll is practically completely broken down within days without degrading other essential compounds then what is the problem?
if aging then takes place and if what the aging does is break down sugars and such that makes the smoke better. then it is happening for both methods.
the only difference he is breaking down the chlorophyll first and at once, while the traditional method (when done right) does it slower. the other chemical processes that occur have the same slow time to do it in.
that also means the OP's weed will smoke smooth a lot sooner because at least the chlorophyll is gone right off the bat.
now with all that being said, I personally don't know if the browning does indeed mean chlorophyll is gone, nor do I know if other things aren't being degraded.
What about people that live in Arizona or Nevada, they can't cure weed proper during some times of the year because it gets so hot?
I don't know. but it is interesting.
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waterproof808
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If you are smelling ammonia, you aren't curing... you are decomposing your herb. and that is not good at all. The smell comes from a process called "Ammonification."
You are replicating the environment of decay, high temps and humidity plus minimal air flow is a recipe for rot.
Have you ever did a before and after under microscope? Your before pics looked way frostier then the end result.
"Ammonification is the process by which the organically bound nitrogen of microbial, plant, and animal biomass is recycled after their death. Ammonificationis carried out by a diverse array of microorganisms that perform ecological decay services, and its product is ammonia or ammonium ion."
You are replicating the environment of decay, high temps and humidity plus minimal air flow is a recipe for rot.
Have you ever did a before and after under microscope? Your before pics looked way frostier then the end result.
"Ammonification is the process by which the organically bound nitrogen of microbial, plant, and animal biomass is recycled after their death. Ammonificationis carried out by a diverse array of microorganisms that perform ecological decay services, and its product is ammonia or ammonium ion."
KarmaPaymentPlan
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things ive noted
-BobCajun doesnt smoke so he doesnt seem concerned to much on potency/quality
-by not smoking he is growing for profit so trying to get his product out there is more important
-by being profit driven he wants his weed to weigh the most possible to get the most out of it
my thoughts this technique is not for the connoisseur
-BobCajun doesnt smoke so he doesnt seem concerned to much on potency/quality
-by not smoking he is growing for profit so trying to get his product out there is more important
-by being profit driven he wants his weed to weigh the most possible to get the most out of it
my thoughts this technique is not for the connoisseur
waterproof808
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He essentially just created a compost bin to turn his weed brown.
Lordhooha
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Nothing like fresh baked weed lol. I'll stick to my paper bag method. I have ppl chomping at the bit I grow unique strains other than what's found here and dry and cure while it's still green, purple, or whatever color it turned when growing is what color it's gonna be after it's done curing. I always send mine to get tested to find out what's in my weed too mainly because I want to ensure ppl that get my bud knows exactly what's there and how strong. Like @KarmaPaymentPlan said he's not a connoisseur of fine bud. And never have I heard anyone ask me for some of that brown bud lol. I will say he's very dedicated to his method though. But I'd put any of my worst bud against his and see who's they prefer