FEMINIZED seeds are NO guarantee of 100% female plants!

[Dr. Who]

no need to apologize dr who, I won the fem'd seed experience with a 100% success rate, others have lost, something must be up.
chromosomes are not changing sex of seeds while they sit in the seedpack, trust me. long before they see your water they are set in stone. they may show both sexes, but only females do that too.

You see I think your getting it wrong.....
I believe the plant can change by environmental conditions in early life.....That's what I believe happened...I never eluded to any gene changes in stored seeds.
I also believe that it's possible for that selfed plant to actually throw a male seed.....In the vast amount of seeds produced that way. Nature can slip and give you male! It's numbers and the plant it's self carries the ability to shift as needed TO continue a line....Just because science say's it's impossible - don't make it so!

I farm, I see "genetic rules" broken there too.

It's not every day, it's actually very rare.. But it can, and does happen! I'm not the only one to have gotten a male from selfed beans...BTW. One of the best and most vigorous males I ever used in a breeding program.... was found in selfed beans! Most assuredly from that strain as I did the selfing myself. I use a modified version Silver Nitrate and Sodium Thiosulfate..

 

[CaliSmokes]

I planted 300 + feminized seed from different breeders and random people. Not one hermied or tinted male. Last year I planted 500 plus not one hermied or turned male. Sounds like a bad pack.

 

[Dr. Who]

@Dr. Who
as we discussed a week ago, I also had a Crop King auto-fem turn male....I was so disappointed as it was my best indoor sunshine gal of the year
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But I'm less convinced that environment does influence gender...as you may remember my experiment "Can the environment influence gender"
https://www.rollitup.org/t/can-the-environment-influence-the-gender.846902/

Since the experiment only had 3 plants in each environment it cannot be consider conclusive but I did find it interesting that the room with female friendly conditions only produced 2 of 3 females, where the male friendly conditions room produced 3 of 3 females...go figure

Some may say my experiment was tainted from the start as I used the infamous seed gender chart to select the opposite gender for each room, but most consider that chart as total BS, thus did it really stack the odds.

Two things i saw here that are not true:

Environment affects sex
And
Someone stated only female plants can herm and show both sexes.

And as your eluding to and as others have here too...not to mention @kermit2692 saying flat out that environment does not effect plant sex....

THEN we are BACK to a plant throwing a male bean, even though it was selfed and some genetics science says that can't happen.....Well, it's now happened to me 3 times and only once did I make the S1 beans..

I threw out the enviro issue as being possible. I mean, how can we really tell either way? IF we could actually do a test with seeds that were for sure male and female.....We could prove that one way or another.....Until then (drum roll) we get a mythbusters "possible".....

In the end it has to be one or the other! You choose!

My POINT is, "You have no guarantee of 100% female seeds in selfed or feminized S1 seeds! It fucking happens! Bottom line!

 

[Dr. Who]

I planted 300 + feminized seed from different breeders and random people. Not one hermied or tinted male. Last year I planted 500 plus not one hermied or turned male. Sounds like a bad pack.

Could be BUT, What about the time I made the S1's? It happens and I'm NOT the only one it has happened to!

 

[CaliSmokes]

Could be BUT, What about the time I made the S1's? It happens and I'm NOT the only one it has happened to!

I hope it doesn't happen again. Or to me, if I grab fem and veg for months only to find out it's a male. I'm hunting down the breeder.

 

[Dr. Who]

I hope it doesn't happen again. Or to me, if I grab fem and veg for months only to find out it's a male. I'm hunting down the breeder.

I liked my other 2 males! This one? I have no use for Ruderalis genetics....

 

[kermit2692]

I don't really get what the question is here.. Of course genetics are a crazy thing and shit happens that we can't explain. ya every once in a while you get a fem bean that turns out a male or a herm. Let me put your environment theory to bed quick with common sense, every single animal on the planet Is born with a gender from day one. NOTHING is born an it and then develops a sexual orientation. Why would cannabis be any different and if it were, it would be an easily tested fact by now. I am obviously aware some animals are asexual and their are a couple oddities like the sea horse which changes genders but my point is we know that to be fact, we would know this to be fact as well by now if it were true. It's simply genetics we cannot understand. Also consider this, people run 12/12 from day one and get both males and females. In fact people run all different variables over and over millions of different gardens. Everybody gets males AND females.

 

[kermit2692]

Btw I've never had a fem bean herm on me nor turn out a male.

 

[Dr. Who]

I don't really get what the question is here.. Of course genetics are a crazy thing and shit happens that we can't explain. ya every once in a while you get a fem bean that turns out a male or a herm. Let me put your environment theory to bed quick with common sense, every single animal on the planet Is born with a gender from day one. NOTHING is born an it and then develops a sexual orientation. Why would cannabis be any different and if it were, it would be an easily tested fact by now. I am obviously aware some animals are asexual and their are a couple oddities like the sea horse which changes genders but my point is we know that to be fact, we would know this to be fact as well by now if it were true. It's simply genetics we cannot understand. Also consider this, people run 12/12 from day one and get both males and females. In fact people run all different variables over and over millions of different gardens. Everybody gets males AND females.

It's not a question at all!
It's a simple statement that you get no guarantee of 100% female seeds from S1's ... Rare, but it happens..
As for enviro related ratio's......I stills believe it as a possible......things I've tried.....suggest it's so....Please feel free to not believe!

12/12?? I don't run 12/12 and see no connection between lighting times and sex.. Just confused by that single comment....

Your also being very polite about your belief! Firm but, polite!

Trust me, I appreciate that too!

 

[Yodaweed]

I have never gotten a male from feminized seeds but i have gotten several hermies from fem seeds, i also have gotten hermies from regular seeds, sometimes you just get unstable genetics.

 

[ismann]

I never had a male or even a hermie with colloidal silver method. I know hermies are possible with rhodelization though. Most, if not all big name breeders use colloidal silver.

 

[kermit2692]

Haha I'm pretty hard headed and i can be an ass so since i know it i try my best to mitigate myself while still sticking to my guns
the 12 12 thing i just added because if you run a flowering photoperiod from day one when is it that the plant gets to decide it's gender if that were the case?
Force flowering would have an affect on sex and again we would already know the facts on the matter, in effect. Just my thoughts applying logic more than anything. i can agree to disagree lol

... What is rhodelization? Using a natural herm to breed? i don't consider a couple balls a full hermie i believe their are terms for different levels/types of hermie which I've forgotten. That will happen when you take any plant too late. I have to take it back though i had one fem strain give me trouble with full herms 2 in a five pack of dp blueberry and a third mutant. That and one other instance of reg seeds but this one was a grow room issue my buddy refused to fix so i said fuck it you going to find out the hard way then!

 

[racerboy71]

i'm just going to through this out there, why not..

when you make fem'ed seeds, you're using a female plant, which carries 2 xx chromosomes, and another female plant, again, carrying two xx chromosomes, to make seeds with.. of course you used a chemical such as collodial sliver to make the plant stop producing ethylene, so it therefore stopped growing pistillate flowers, and instead, grew male, stamenate flowers, which is how making seeds from an all female plant is possible after all, but being that you're making seeds from parent stock that only carries 4 x chromosomes, i'm failing to understand how you'd end up with male plants as an offspring when there should be no y's in the mix?
of course you know dr who i think you're a very knowledgeable grower, and one of the ones i respect most on this site tbh, i'm just thinking out loud here..

 

[Afgan King]

I have had this contention sense Dutch Passion made the first "feminized seeds"!
All together too many seed producers will post something like this from Sensi Seeds.

"All plants grown from the feminized strains sold on this website will be genetically female."

This is bull shit! Here's another breeder's take on feminized seeds and that 100% female BS!

"Now we've covered how they are made... we still have to cover WHY and If it
works.

When I am making reversed lines, there is only one reason I do it. It is NOT to
make it easier for a person to produce an entirely female crop(I'll explain more
later on why this isn't a concern) - I do it to produce a pure line (IE:
Selfing) or if I want to cross a specific line to another and there are no
available males from one of the lines (IE - crossing 2 different clone-onlies).
Essentially I do it to keep lines as true to the clones and selections I've
made.

Why do I not think it's a concern in this situation to try to make an all female
line? Because it can't be guaranteed to always be female and not produce males.

Sexual expression is 50% determined by environment. I don't know how everyone's
grow room is that buys my gear...I don't know how they feed, I don't know what
temp it is, I don't know what medium, etc... There is no way to guarantee the
sexual expression of a plant when 50% of the determining variables are out of
our control. And it's not just us, it's any seed company that can't factor in
all of those variables. It really is as simple as that. there are certain
things you can do to increase the likelihood through chemicals after a flower is
blooming (in the case of cannabis, use ethephon or dutch master reverse -
ethylene is the opposite of gibberelins - kinda like how estrogen is the
opposite of testosterone).

So...in the end... who is right? Neither. Both are retards."

So? Who is this guy to say that the big seed producers are wrong? He right! That's why!

I have myself, in the past. Had males come from "Feminized" seeds twice (2 times). I never gave it a second thought! I mean, I know that environment lakes a difference in final plant sex determination!

If you keep your seedling at over 80 deg F. You have far better chances of more females to males over 70/30 female to male! IF, your seedling area temps are low 70's......You are going to be 50/50 and not do much if at all better!

Now the chance for a male from feminized is increased by those same little temp rules!

I popped 5 seeds from Mephisto Genetics. Skywalker OG AUTO FEM seeds.
3 seeds are growing out perfectly normal! (No, your right, I'm not a fan of auto seeds. I thought it might be fun to accept the offer of free seeds and run them along side others doing the same. After all I was just getting fired back up, so why not!

1 seed had a dual embryo and I slip the seedlings carefully, just to see what they would do. (They are not growing at the rate of the normal plants and 1 is very small and will produce no more then about a blunt's worth.

The last seed popped and is pictured here as a growing plant in a 1 gallon pot.
It is 100% natural, ball dropping MALE! Now it's 3 times I have had this happen! ALL of the times I was popping and developing the seedlings in a cooler environment of 70-72 day and and 65 nights! When I got MALES from "feminized" seeds!

Pics for plant size and BALL porn!

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BALLS - 100% full on MALE from "feminized seeds"!!!

Us old guys are trying to set the record straight for ya!

No such thing as 100% females from "feminized" seeds!

I have NO use for ruderalis genetics in a pollen, so this one is outa here!

Now before you begin any comment on herming of fem seeds...I'll say this -

Herming was a problem in the old days. The plant was stressed to make it throw "Banana's" that would pollinate blooms and make unstable "female" seeds!

This process is NOT used any more.

Chemical or hormone induced "selfing" (a better term for feminizing) of a plant will make the plant actually "turn" male where treated...It throws actual balls! This produces stable and very consistent 99.9% female seeds. just keep in mind that cool upbringing of seedlings can give you a male from selfed seeds!

Happy trails!

100% agree as normal lol hit the nail on the head covered all bases love it

 

[bryan oconner]

knock on wood . so far all 100 % fe. and my temps i like to keep them cool under 70f . from where did you get your items dr who ?

 

[Dr. Who]

knock on wood . so far all 100 % fe. and my temps i like to keep them cool under 70f . from where did you get your items dr who ?

It's beans from that Mephisto genetics comparative......I've been told that Mephisto is a high quality breeder of auto strains.....Looks like they gave out like a little over 500 beans for testing.....So in that context and considering how many they must have made in total.

A dual embryo and a single male from Feminized is not bad!

 

[bryan oconner]

It's beans from that Mephisto genetics comparative......I've been told that Mephisto is a high quality breeder of auto strains.....Looks like they gave out like a little over 500 beans for testing.....So in that context and considering how many they must have made in total.

A dual embryo and a single male from Feminized is not bad!

I keep trying new brands. Have tried about half what you can get from attitude or from no longer do business with sorry to say Herbie's. Only buy fe. And they have always been. Fem .Some of genetics were trash. Like heavy weight one of the worst I've ever seen but never a male yet . possible the company miss packed them or worse

It's beans from that Mephisto genetics comparative......I've been told that Mephisto is a high quality breeder of auto strains.....Looks like they gave out like a little over 500 beans for testing.....So in that context and considering how many they must have made in total.

A dual embryo and a single male from Feminized is not bad!

 

[Dr. Who]

I keep trying new brands. Have tried about half what you can get from attitude or from no longer do business with sorry to say Herbie's. Only buy fe. And they have always been. Fem .Some of genetics were trash. Like heavy weight one of the worst I've ever seen but never a male yet . possible the company miss packed them or worse

Package failure? sigh, this again.....I don't think so! It's male, it's too damn short to be a photo. Same for a straight Ruderalis.
It is doing it's male blooming exactly at the right time compared to the female plants blooming, from the other seeds it came with.....It IS a result of their breeding that strain!

It either came male or did an environmental shift!

There is NO guarantee of 100% female seeds from Feminized seeds!

 

[budman111]

..I've been told that Mephisto is a high quality breeder of auto strains....

You waste your time with Autos doc?!?!

 

[CaliSmokes]

100 bucks a pck for Memphisto or bohdi what's all the hype? I feel like I'm under a rock with my random kush.