United States of Corporate America

[Padawanbater2]

This was the time, the perfect opportunity.

What if Sanders had ran as an Independent and lost? Because that's a scenario that could have happened

If that happened, it would have destroyed third party contention for many elections to come in the exact same way they still blame Nader for W. today. That was a risk even Sanders couldn't take, and I don't blame him for it. Instead, he chose the more conservative route, which, as MBB has noted, is an oxymoronic position to take for someone claiming to lead a revolution. I think Sanders believed a Trump administration would be worse for the country than him simply swallowing his pride and endorsing Clinton, going back to the drawing board and getting back to work to help the middle-class, what he's been doing his entire career in government. So that's what he did. She lost, now Trump is the president and Sanders is sitting in a unique position. Everyone knows he was right, the results of the election proved it. This gives him an enormous amount of leverage when it comes to the direction of the Democratic Party. The fight for control of the DNC is ongoing. The result of that will tell you where we are likely headed going into the midterms and the 2020 election.

 

[Corso312]

I disagree, Hillary and the DNC was no friend to Bernie.. He owed them nothing and like I said at the time~ you can't just hit a switch and tell your supporters to vote Clinton. It was never going to happen, most voted for Stein, Johnson or wrote in Bernie, some voted Hillary and some voted Trump but many stayed home n didn't vote..if she wanted Bernie's votes, she should gave made him VP .that would have worked but she didn't feel like she needed to make any concession, it was in the bag already.

 

[Fogdog]

7M didn't show..I'm gonna say that was a pretty big lock.

That's not even close to being a fact.

 

[Fogdog]

The point is, HOW she won..through dirty political tricks such as cheating and media collusion.

You can paint it any way you wish..these 'accusations' are FACT.

Not even close to being a fact.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I disagree, Hillary and the DNC was no friend to Bernie.. He owed them nothing and like I said at the time~ you can't just hit a switch and tell your supporters to vote Clinton. It was never going to happen, most voted for Stein, Johnson or wrote in Bernie, some voted Hillary and some voted Trump but many stayed home n didn't vote..if she wanted Bernie's votes, she should gave made him VP .that would have worked but she didn't feel like she needed to make any concession, it was in the bag already.

100% agree with this. Bernie should never have caved and endorsed Hillary. She represents everything he was opposed to. There was little chance to get his supporters to fall in line behind her. Like you pointed out though, perhaps the only way that would have happened was to select Bernie as her VP. That likely would have put her over the top.

I wonder if team Clinton even considered tapping Bernie for VP? Huge strategical error on their part not doing so.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I disagree, Hillary and the DNC was no friend to Bernie.. He owed them nothing and like I said at the time~ you can't just hit a switch and tell your supporters to vote Clinton. It was never going to happen, most voted for Stein, Johnson or wrote in Bernie, some voted Hillary and some voted Trump but many stayed home n didn't vote..if she wanted Bernie's votes, she should gave made him VP .that would have worked but she didn't feel like she needed to make any concession, it was in the bag already.

I don't think it was about what he owed to Hillary or the DNC. He didn't want to fuck over the American people by splitting the Democratic vote and give all the idiots who are currently blaming Sanders for Clinton's loss a legitimate reason to blame him. Now that she lost all on her own even with his endorsement, it has proved everything he and his supporters said correct. Moving forward, this gives him a lot of influence within the party. The only way to win is by moving to the left. The only question is if establishment Democrats would rather keep losing than move to the left.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I don't think it was about what he owed to Hillary or the DNC. He didn't want to fuck over the American people by splitting the Democratic vote and give all the idiots who are currently blaming Sanders for Clinton's loss a legitimate reason to blame him. Now that she lost all on her own even with his endorsement, it has proved everything he and his supporters said correct. Moving forward, this gives him a lot of influence within the party. The only way to win is by moving to the left. The only question is if establishment Democrats would rather keep losing than move to the left.

Don't you agree that the smart move for Clinton would have been to pick him for VP? That would have pulled the vast majority of his supporters over to her.

Maybe he wasn't interested? The offer should have been made none the less.

 

[srh88]

lol.. all these little bernies worrying about the past. its over. we got bigger shit to worry about now

 

[Fogdog]

100% agree with this. Bernie should never have caved and endorsed Hillary. She represents everything he was opposed to. There was little chance to get his supporters to fall in line behind her. Like you pointed out though, perhaps the only way that would have happened was to select Bernie as her VP. That likely would have put her over the top.

I wonder if team Clinton even considered tapping Bernie for VP? Huge strategical error on their part not doing so.

Trump would have been picking out his cabinet and running a shadow government through a cowed republican congress by August if Bernie hadn't thrown support behind Clinton. It wouldn't have taken any interference by the FBI and Putin to win the election you suggest.

By not taking a role as VP -- I doubt that Clinton would have wanted that anyway -- Bernie is a stronger leader in the Senate with a strong following that gives him clout with Democrats if not Republicans. He's in position to influence the party going forward. It was a very good thing for us all that Bernie didn't act like a relatively few of his supporters do and hold out for all the marbles only to lose them all. Trump is the kind of leader who doesn't compromise. Do you really want a leader on the left who is authoritarian?

Agree with Paddy that the party needs to shift focus to issues that affect ALL middle class and working class families. Bernie is a leader in the left but in my opinion it's time for the boomer generation to mentor and encourage newer younger leadership.

 

[Padawanbater2]

100% agree with this. Bernie should never have caved and endorsed Hillary. She represents everything he was opposed to. There was little chance to get his supporters to fall in line behind her. Like you pointed out though, perhaps the only way that would have happened was to select Bernie as her VP. That likely would have put her over the top.

I wonder if team Clinton even considered tapping Bernie for VP? Huge strategical error on their part not doing so.

I highly doubt it, the DNC leaks confirmed Kain was vetted in 2015, way before Sanders ever entered the race. Also;

But nothing to see there..

Not even close to being a fact.

Which makes shit like ^^^ audibly laughable...

 

[st0wandgrow]

lol.. all these little bernies worrying about the past. its over. we got bigger shit to worry about now

Knowing WHY you lost is kinda important, no?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Don't you agree that the smart move for Clinton would have been to pick him for VP? That would have pulled the vast majority of his supporters over to her.

Maybe he wasn't interested? The offer should have been made none the less.

Not really to be honest. I would have seen that as pandering. It probably would have brought more people over to vote for her, but I still don't think she would have won in hindsight. I just don't think it would have been enough. She couldn't make the offer, it was already given to Kaine

 

[srh88]

 

[Padawanbater2]

Right wing memes, "free shit", brilliant

You remind me of Babs34

 

[srh88]

Knowing WHY you lost is kinda important, no?

not really.. he lost, its done. only reason im interested in why hillary lost is because of the conflict that surrounds it. russia and what not. if none of those issues popped up i wouldnt care about that either. why he lost doesnt matter, he doesnt have another run in him. noone is voting for someone whos 84.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Really? Now you're employing lame brain republican talking points?

You do realize that programs like single payer healthcare aren't "free", right?

 

[srh88]

Right wing memes, "free shit", brilliant

You remind me of Babs34

lol right wing.. you mean anyone with a job? what was bernies platform ran on... free shit.

 

[Padawanbater2]

why he lost doesnt matter

Sure, if you don't care about democracy

 

[Padawanbater2]

lol right wing.. you mean anyone with a job? what was bernies platform ran on... free shit.

If you interpreted it that way you have a shallow understanding of how politics works. Universal healthcare, universal college, shit like that, the kind of stuff Sanders was proposing during the campaign is paid for by taxes, just like nearly every other modern nation has.

The "free shit" meme you're attempting to push to discredit Sanders is the same thing pushed by the right-wing retards you oppose at RIU, implying poor people are just stealing from rich people to pay for their healthcare and school. We heard a similar message pushed by Clinton behind the scenes when she was giving a speech she thought wouldn't be available to the public when she was discussing how absurd the notion of universal college was. Gee, how'd that work out for her? As it turns out, progressives actually want that on the platform, they don't really think it's all that absurd.. weird..

 

[srh88]

Really? Now you're employing lame brain republican talking points?

You do realize that programs like single payer healthcare aren't "free", right?

lol not free.. but cheaper.

Bernie’s plan will cost over $6 trillion less than the current health care system over the next ten years.

The United States currently spends $3 trillion on health care each year—nearly $10,000 per person. Reforming our health care system, simplifying our payment structure and incentivizing new ways to make sure patients are actually getting better health care will generate massive savings. This plan has been estimated to save the American people and businesses over $6 trillion over the next decade.

thats off his website. health care is already cheap as shit for the people who cant afford to go with a private company.

Sure, if you don't care about democracy

caring about democracy isnt believing whatever thing you read from wikileaks.. if you cared about democracy youd be more concerned about other countries getting in like that. if you gave any kind of shit about democracy you wouldnt be on here crying about the past and youd be figuring out about whats coming.