tangerinegreen555
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Disappointingly accurate.
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Padawanbater2
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I disagree
Sanders is smart, he's been in the political game for a while. He knows that what he did by endorsing Clinton against Trump would garner him the most political clout, regardless of the outcome of the election. Had Clinton won, as was expected by most, he could have held a significant position in Clinton's administration. Had she lost, as is what happened, he's still seen by most as 'playing ball'. Had he ran as an independent and lost, he'd have been the scapegoat for Clinton's loss. Since he didn't and she still lost, it exposed her message and the Democratic Party's platform for the absolute failure that it is; Corporate capitalism.
Now he holds one of the most influential positions moving forward
UncleBuck
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you keep talking about how shitty hillary is, but she absolutely clobbered bernie. 4 million votes, 55%-43%.
and bernie had the benefit of running as a democrat, which he isn't. if he had ran as the independent which he is, he would not have cracked 10%.
the oppo research on him was deep and wide. or you could just call him a commie. non-starter.
not to mention trump voters got out there on the basis of "we hate immigrants and ISIS", and bernie's message on those issues was no different than hillary's.
if bernie ran, trump would have been picking his cabinet in september.
MisterBouncyBounce
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he ran as a revolutionary, he called for a social revolution. was that just a campaign slogan then?
you do think the things and policies he speaks about are things he actually stands for, that they are his positions, his beliefs and philosophies and values?
If so, then he campaigned on what he really thinks is what the US needs.........a social revolution......he said it, he meant it.
if a revolution is what you advocate, then you can't compromise with those who have the power because that is not revolutionary. that is business as usual.
Just like you said, you laid it all out.........does what you describe sound like revolutionary thinking or typical political thinking?
he is what you described.
Now he'll get help get a $15 min wage or something, and it'll been touted as a victory for the middle and lower class, while not much else changes.
Your avatar would have run as an independent, not compromise with those he disagrees with.
he's still relevant and has his place, but not with the momentum not quite the support he had when he was taking no prisoners early/mid campaign.
in the end he dealt with the establishment instead working against it.
Bernie Sanders is, and i swear I love the guy, a pragmatic revolutionary.
Which is a contradiction in terms.
What he did was great, he seized back the word "socialism" from the chuckle heads who treated it like an obscenity and he lit a fire that brought a lot of people out of the shadows and showed there is support for radical reform based on socialism.
but he didn't take it all the way, he made his choices for whatever reasons.
Things are better because of his campaign, there is much more serious organizing and a belief it is possible we are more closer to reforming our government into a more socialized one than ever before.
I was hoping for more. but I'll take it.
The red text makes my case. I pretty much said the same thing, only you take it as him being shrewd and i take it as him selling out.
he ran as a revolutionary, he called for a social revolution. was that just a campaign slogan then?
you do think the things and policies he speaks about are things he actually stands for, that they are his positions, his beliefs and philosophies and values?
If so, then he campaigned on what he really thinks is what the US needs.........a social revolution......he said it, he meant it.
if a revolution is what you advocate, then you can't compromise with those who have the power because that is not revolutionary. that is business as usual.
Just like you said, you laid it all out.........does what you describe sound like revolutionary thinking or typical political thinking?
he is what you described.
Now he'll get help get a $15 min wage or something, and it'll been touted as a victory for the middle and lower class, while not much else changes.
Your avatar would have run as an independent, not compromise with those he disagrees with.
he's still relevant and has his place, but not with the momentum not quite the support he had when he was taking no prisoners early/mid campaign.
in the end he dealt with the establishment instead working against it.
Bernie Sanders is, and i swear I love the guy, a pragmatic revolutionary.
Which is a contradiction in terms.
What he did was great, he seized back the word "socialism" from the chuckle heads who treated it like an obscenity and he lit a fire that brought a lot of people out of the shadows and showed there is support for radical reform based on socialism.
but he didn't take it all the way, he made his choices for whatever reasons.
Things are better because of his campaign, there is much more serious organizing and a belief it is possible we are more closer to reforming our government into a more socialized one than ever before.
I was hoping for more. but I'll take it.
NLXSK1
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Moving forward where? LOL!!! How old is Bernie? He isnt the person to lead the Democratic movement.
I am not sure why you want to tie yourself to one or the other banner now that your eyes are partially open.
Bernie has been in office as long as he has because he rages against the government and then he votes the way the Democrats tell him to. He is a convenient pawn in their game so they let him stay. Nobody ever intended for him to get near the White House as evidenced by the DNC email hack.
The game is rigged, you are realizing that. Thinking that things are going to change or that a career politician is the path to change is the fastest way back to anger and depression.
7M didn't show..I'm gonna say that was a pretty big lock.
Does 'Nobody' pay your bills and do all your thinking for you? Pin your mittens to your jacket?
The point is, HOW she won..through dirty political tricks such as cheating and media collusion.
You can paint it any way you wish..these 'accusations' are FACT.
Why yes..yes he does
tangerinegreen555
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When was the last 'clean' election, in your opinion? Politics has always been dirty. If you knew some of the behind the scenes stuff, you'd vomit.
Winning isn't the big thing, it's the only thing. Vince Lombardi said that about football. It applies to politics even more, like it or not.
Just pointing out the facts.
tangerinegreen555
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I hear ya.
Now let me point something out. She won by 2.9 million. If we all work together, maybe we can win by 5 million next time which might carry the EC. Maybe.
Padawanbater2
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The only way for democrats to win is by convincing the middle-class they will work for them
If they fail to do that, the party is already dead
Uberknot
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Hell republicans already died...right now they are sucking hind tit to Donald trying to piece something back together.
tangerinegreen555
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Well, there's the fake news conspiracy theory believers. Maybe convincing them of actual facts is a bigger obstacle.
Some voters didn't show up in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania with somebody saying they would bring back lost jobs. When, ever, has a lost job been brought back?
She actually got 2.9 million more votes, 2.1% more. The general polls were close to pre-election projections.
There's just a new definition for winning now. Winning the EC while losing the popular used to be a fluke in a much smaller country.
Over the last 16 years, that has apparently changed, no?
Padawanbater2
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The establishment got exactly what it wanted in Donald Trump's candidacy. His cabinet picks illustrate exactly where he plans on taking his administration. It's going to be a corporate giveaway the likes of which this country has never seen before.
How are we going to convince a republican controlled government to get rid of the electoral college when republicans are largely the ones who benefit from having it?
Convincing people to believe actual facts over the feel good ones they choose to believe instead is a problem without a current solution
How are we going to convince a republican controlled government to get rid of the electoral college when republicans are largely the ones who benefit from having it?
tangerinegreen555
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I never promised you a rose garden.
Corso312
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Why yes..yes he does
Cmon, isn't it you that has consistently said " if not now, when?". This was the time, the perfect opportunity.