"White working class voters are good people, they're not racist, not sexist" -Joe Biden

UncleBuck

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Oooooo nice strong arm play, but it doesn't wash.

I see what she did and it drowned out whatever she says.

And I'm anything but alone in this assessment, or she'd be picking cabinet members right now.
you could have had a personal conversation with michael bennett as well if you wanted. i could have told you the exact day he would be in your area talking to canvassers. hell, you wouldn;t have even had to canvass after if you didn't want.

but pretty fucking please with a cherry on top believe me: the "elitists" versus "real america" meme is straight out of the hitler playbook. and you are the latte sipping, mother fucking elitist. and so am i, sitting in my modest suburban home. and so are all those hispanic folks in those trailer parks i canvassed.
 

UncleBuck

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I NEVER EVER said she was or is evil. She's playing her hand like a between State Department officer; speaking to power on the issues they want to hear.

That just doesn't leave much room for the other 90% of us.
sorry, didn't mean to imply that you personally said she was evil. just talking about the caricatures that were made of her in general.
 

MisterBouncyBounce

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sorry, but it isn't.

people have this weird conception of hillary as anything and everything evil, all encapsulated into one person.

it turns out that these fantasies have nothing to do with who she is, they reflect more on each person's definition of evil.

hillary clinton is a good woman who would have advanced our goals as much as or more than obama did. she was respected in congress as someone who knew every issue front and back, and mroe importantly, how to garner enough support from each side of the aisle to actually implement the agenda.
LOL
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
We know what the winning recipe is, deep down, you know it too
hell, i said back in 2014 that the GOP would win without a doubt. it's incredibly rare to follow up 8 years of one party with another win.

and here's the recipe: "we will protect and strengthen your social security and medicare, and fight tooth and nail to stop paul ryan and donald trump from privatizing it and turning it into a voucher".

of course, it would also help if people on the liberal side stopped playing right into th other side's narrative. looking at you on this one.
 

Fogdog

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And I'm with you all the way. The electoral College is just another way to subvert the will of the People. Maybe that wasn't its original purpose, but that's how it functions NOW.
It's true that the Senate and the presidency is almost completely dominated by small states. While this puts me in a bad spot because Republicans are dominating those states, would the country be better off without the EC?

What's the number -- 49 counties that went Hillary's way? Out of hundreds of other counties, Hillary won a majority by 2 million votes in a fraction of counties. Without the EC, would those hundreds of other counties been given any attention? The EC with its bias towards lesser populated areas ensures the minority has a voice in this government. While I'm not happy with the result, I'm satisfied that the EC keeps the interests of the minority in a prominent place. So, I'd say, let's keep the EC and learn how to deal with the rural/urban divide so that everybody has a fair deal.
 

MisterBouncyBounce

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I NEVER EVER said she was or is evil. She's playing her hand like a between State Department officer; speaking to power on the issues they want to hear.

That just doesn't leave much room for the other 90% of us.

I'll say it, she was and is evil. I guess I'm just weird like that.
Advancing our agenda and fighting the good fight earned her $15 Million last year. I guess it pays to be a woman of the people.
Makes you wonder why more people aren't as altruistic.
 

tangerinegreen555

Well-Known Member
It's true that the Senate and the presidency is almost completely dominated by small states. While this puts me in a bad spot because Republicans are dominating those states, would the country be better off without the EC?

What's the number -- 49 counties that went Hillary's way? Out of hundreds of other counties, Hillary won a majority by 2 million votes in a fraction of counties. Without the EC, would those hundreds of other counties been given any attention? The EC with its bias towards lesser populated areas ensures the minority has a voice in this government. While I'm not happy with the result, I'm satisfied that the EC keeps the interests of the minority in a prominent place. So, I'd say, let's keep the EC and learn how to deal with the rural/urban divide so that everybody has a fair deal.
Be advised this could well be a new trend. We've seen it twice in 16 years now and that's a trend in my book. It has to leave a sour taste in your mouth to win the popular vote and still lose. Only in America.

And we got W. and Trump from that damn EC? That's fucking brutal!
 

ttystikk

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you could have had a personal conversation with michael bennett as well if you wanted. i could have told you the exact day he would be in your area talking to canvassers. hell, you wouldn;t have even had to canvass after if you didn't want.

but pretty fucking please with a cherry on top believe me: the "elitists" versus "real america" meme is straight out of the hitler playbook. and you are the latte sipping, mother fucking elitist. and so am i, sitting in my modest suburban home. and so are all those hispanic folks in those trailer parks i canvassed.
I'll be happy to meet him, anytime.

I doubt he'll disagree with me like you so strenuously have.
 

Padawanbater2

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"Bernie Sanders, the wide-eyed socialist running for president in 2016, just happened to produce one of the few — and perhaps the largest — bipartisan legislative breakthroughs in the last Congress."

“I’m a pragmatist,” Sanders said in an interview with The Huffington Post. “If I was a writer or paid to go around giving speeches, then that is something I could do. But I was elected by the people of Vermont to be their elected representative in Washington. And that requires me to shape and pass legislation.”

"Few people think of Sanders this way. His reputation — reinforced by his firebrand speeches, rumpled suits and Dr. Emmett Brown hair — is that of an uncompromising ideologue. And he often plays the part. He’s been virulently opposed to Trade Promotion Authority for years and has an unbending view of Social Security: it should be expanded, not cut. This past week, he indicated on “Meet The Press” that he’d support a bill reforming the NSA’s bulk data collection program, even if he thought it didn’t go far enough. Days later, he voted against it.

But those who work with him in Congress see Sanders differently. Miller called him a “realist” whose inability to play coy was refreshing."

“He is very open and honest as he goes through the process,” Miller said. “You know where Bernie is coming from.”

“Negotiating with Bernie was not a usual experience, because he is very passionate and he and I are both very strong-willed people and we spend a lot of time banging our fists on the table and having the occasional four-letter word,” McCain said. “But at the end of the day, Bernie was result-oriented.”

Sanders rose through the political system, rather than entering it late. He was a mayor for eight years and a congressman for 16, during which time he figured out that protest votes and purity could only get him so far. He pursued smaller priorities to attach to larger pieces of legislation that he invariably found less than ideal. A Rolling Stone article from 2005 called him “the amendment king of the current House of Representatives,” as he’d passed more roll call amendments than any other member.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/bernie-sanders-2016_n_7514328.html
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Be advised this could well be a new trend. We've seen it twice in 16 years now and that's a trend in my book. It has to leave a sour taste in your mouth to win the popular vote and still lose. Only in America.

And we got W. and Trump from that damn EC? That's fucking brutal!
Votes should count.

The fact that everyone's vote for President doesn't count is simply antithetical to the very idea of democracy.

Dump the Electoral College, and in so doing make a strong statement that everyone's vote COUNTS.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
"Bernie Sanders, the wide-eyed socialist running for president in 2016, just happened to produce one of the few — and perhaps the largest — bipartisan legislative breakthroughs in the last Congress."

“I’m a pragmatist,” Sanders said in an interview with The Huffington Post. “If I was a writer or paid to go around giving speeches, then that is something I could do. But I was elected by the people of Vermont to be their elected representative in Washington. And that requires me to shape and pass legislation.”

"Few people think of Sanders this way. His reputation — reinforced by his firebrand speeches, rumpled suits and Dr. Emmett Brown hair — is that of an uncompromising ideologue. And he often plays the part. He’s been virulently opposed to Trade Promotion Authority for years and has an unbending view of Social Security: it should be expanded, not cut. This past week, he indicated on “Meet The Press” that he’d support a bill reforming the NSA’s bulk data collection program, even if he thought it didn’t go far enough. Days later, he voted against it.

But those who work with him in Congress see Sanders differently. Miller called him a “realist” whose inability to play coy was refreshing."

“He is very open and honest as he goes through the process,” Miller said. “You know where Bernie is coming from.”

“Negotiating with Bernie was not a usual experience, because he is very passionate and he and I are both very strong-willed people and we spend a lot of time banging our fists on the table and having the occasional four-letter word,” McCain said. “But at the end of the day, Bernie was result-oriented.”

Sanders rose through the political system, rather than entering it late. He was a mayor for eight years and a congressman for 16, during which time he figured out that protest votes and purity could only get him so far. He pursued smaller priorities to attach to larger pieces of legislation that he invariably found less than ideal. A Rolling Stone article from 2005 called him “the amendment king of the current House of Representatives,” as he’d passed more roll call amendments than any other member.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/bernie-sanders-2016_n_7514328.html
THIS.

It's also why the donor class is justifiably terrified of him gaining the Presidency.
 

tangerinegreen555

Well-Known Member
"Bernie Sanders, the wide-eyed socialist running for president in 2016, just happened to produce one of the few — and perhaps the largest — bipartisan legislative breakthroughs in the last Congress."

“I’m a pragmatist,” Sanders said in an interview with The Huffington Post. “If I was a writer or paid to go around giving speeches, then that is something I could do. But I was elected by the people of Vermont to be their elected representative in Washington. And that requires me to shape and pass legislation.”

"Few people think of Sanders this way. His reputation — reinforced by his firebrand speeches, rumpled suits and Dr. Emmett Brown hair — is that of an uncompromising ideologue. And he often plays the part. He’s been virulently opposed to Trade Promotion Authority for years and has an unbending view of Social Security: it should be expanded, not cut. This past week, he indicated on “Meet The Press” that he’d support a bill reforming the NSA’s bulk data collection program, even if he thought it didn’t go far enough. Days later, he voted against it.

But those who work with him in Congress see Sanders differently. Miller called him a “realist” whose inability to play coy was refreshing."

“He is very open and honest as he goes through the process,” Miller said. “You know where Bernie is coming from.”

“Negotiating with Bernie was not a usual experience, because he is very passionate and he and I are both very strong-willed people and we spend a lot of time banging our fists on the table and having the occasional four-letter word,” McCain said. “But at the end of the day, Bernie was result-oriented.”

Sanders rose through the political system, rather than entering it late. He was a mayor for eight years and a congressman for 16, during which time he figured out that protest votes and purity could only get him so far. He pursued smaller priorities to attach to larger pieces of legislation that he invariably found less than ideal. A Rolling Stone article from 2005 called him “the amendment king of the current House of Representatives,” as he’d passed more roll call amendments than any other member.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/bernie-sanders-2016_n_7514328.html
I guess that's why I voted for him in the primary. But after he lost, I couldn't do 180° turn. I took the next best option. I have no guiIt about that. None.
 
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