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kmog33

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I'm going to say again, if all of your gear is herming, like several strains in the same room, it's probably your environment. 99% of the time herms in the grow room are triggered environmentally or by stress. It would be really cool to see a true hermaphrodite IMO but the chances of getting one are like 1:500000+. So if your getting a lot of herms, check your setup.

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eastcoastled

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Both of you have very good points.glad I got a blackberry cream,they are discontinued now along with some others.
@eastcoastled please post some pics along with updates on the cube.
There is not much to post, they are in veg. They have at least another month before flower, they it will get interesting.
I do have a couple pics to post, but b/c i have one getting a little weird.
I hate to say it bro bro the fem seeds you have are from herm prone genetics Cookies, Cherry Pie and GG4. Now I'm not talking about Relentless at all cus he makes fire with his regs and fems and all of those strains your growing I've seen people grow with no problems so I think it's the luck of the draw your getting. Have you popped all the seeds? Hopefully you find something stable but it's hard to complain about Cookies Pie and Glue crosses cus the chance for herm is there.

As for the Starfighter I don't think people are getting herms from them it's more of the cookie crosses with the Cookies n Cream. Exotic seems to be hit or miss I have some so I will try again as first run had males on 3 seeds popped but hopefully you have better luck with seeds
One of my cube's has something weird going on. Not sure what to make of it...I will post pics later. Would really like to hear your opinion/take on it. I will tag you when i post it.
 

eastcoastled

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Ok, I ran down and took a couple pics real quick. Figured i better post quick since it's not that weird, and i don't want to get people excited for nothing. Most of my cublings are 6-8" tall, but this one is showing male parts like it's in flower. At first i thought auto flower, but it was only where i topped it, so i thought maybe some type of stress induced by topping. When i took these pics, i found another sack on the next node down, so i have to assume it's autofloweringing on me? @akhiymjames what do you think? I don't have a ton of experience growing males, but none have even been this developed under 18/6.....shame b/c he was looking to be a potential frost monster.....click on the pic and you will see what i mean. I have yet to get a frostier fully developed male, and this is a fucking seedling! I will grow him out and try and clone him.....his sacks starts opening up he dies, and i see what the clone does. Not giving up on this one quite yet.
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akhiymjames

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Ok, I ran down and took a couple pics real quick. Figured i better post quick since it's not that weird, and i don't want to get people excited for nothing. Most of my cublings are 6-8" tall, but this one is showing male parts like it's in flower. At first i thought auto flower, but it was only where i topped it, so i thought maybe some type of stress induced by topping. When i took these pics, i found another sack on the next node down, so i have to assume it's autofloweringing on me? @akhiymjames what do you think? I don't have a ton of experience growing males, but none have even been this developed under 18/6.....shame b/c he was looking to be a potential frost monster.....click on the pic and you will see what i mean. I have yet to get a frostier fully developed male, and this is a fucking seedling! I will grow him out and try and clone him.....his sacks starts opening up he dies, and i see what the clone does. Not giving up on this one quite yet.
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If it's making sacs on 18/6 it's very possible it's autoflower but it very well could be stress induced flowering too from topping. Try running it under 20+ light see if sacs appear. Would've thought it was preflowers it it wasn't so small and at the top of the plant but sounds like autoflower to me but try him under longer veg hours see if that works. I hear this is the problem Archive is having with Dosidos which is why he isn't breeding with a male from that cross but yea don't give up on that yet. You don't see auto in photoperiod much it happens but not a lot if the clone does this he had to go don't want autoflower traits passed along to offspring
 

Odin*

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I gotcha, I have always heard/associated the PP with being somewhat weak. Frosty as all hell, but weaker than most purples...I have no real experience with it, just what I've always heard. For this reason I have stayed away from every PP cross he has made, but I'm always happy to hear someone else's perspective.....opens my eyes a little more. I think the pink 2.0 is the closest thing currently available to a starfighter backcross, most of the others have different strains mixed in and would probably be considered more watered down. I don't know of many other breeders working their elites this far, so that is what makes the cube so special in my eyes.

I'm not the Encyclopedia Britanica of cannabis (like @akhiymjames), but I don't believe I've heard that PP is "weak". I thought PP was a very potent purple "hunted" pheno of Bubba, selected from a cross of Pre-98 Bubba x Bubba. Supposed to be some knock your socks off shit (more like "kick your shoes off, sit back, and chillax").
 

eastcoastled

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If it's making sacs on 18/6 it's very possible it's autoflower but it very well could be stress induced flowering too from topping. Try running it under 20+ light see if sacs appear. Would've thought it was preflowers it it wasn't so small and at the top of the plant but sounds like autoflower to me but try him under longer veg hours see if that works. I hear this is the problem Archive is having with Dosidos which is why he isn't breeding with a male from that cross but yea don't give up on that yet. You don't see auto in photoperiod much it happens but not a lot if the clone does this he had to go don't want autoflower traits passed along to offspring
thanks for the input bro, I'll pinch them off and see what happens next. Not sure i can do the 20 plus thing without changing the schedule on my whole room, but if he goes back to normal i'll remember/try. I have had this happen before with a grease monkey male, also have had the lowers on Kimbo girls start to flower in veg, but thought it was b/c they were so thick the lowers were practically in the dark. I would say it's definitely something coming from the starfighter side since this not the first time, and everyone had starfighter genes. Kinda sucks b/c i have had my eye on this one for a while, he was my favorite.
 

eastcoastled

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I'm not the Encyclopedia Britanica of cannabis (like @akhiymjames), but I don't believe I've heard that PP is "weak". I thought PP was a very potent purple "hunted" pheno of Bubba, selected from a cross of Pre-98 Bubba x Bubba. Supposed to be some knock your socks off shit (more like "kick your shoes off, sit back, and chillax").
I knew i read it on here somewhere https://www.rollitup.org/t/in-house-genetics-thread.883346/page-101#post-12452703 It has been mentioned before by others, but when i saw those pics, and the grower basically saying it was weak as fuck, that really stuck in my head.
 

eastcoastled

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@eastcoastled
How many days old are they? I would highly doubt auto traits in starfighter,but I could be wrong.i agree possibly stress from topping,some are very sensitive.i have strains I use outdoors and for breeding that naturally sex out around 45 days.
I'm going to say 35-40 days since they popped up out of the rooters. The balls have been there for a week. Pretty sure it's auto flowering, but we will see. Two clusters of 5-6 balls each, and another two clusters of 2 at the next node down where it wasn't topped......I just pinched them all off, so I got a better idea. He's marked, and i'm keeping an eye on the other 4 and will post results, good or bad. I expect mostly good, you can't play with fire and not expect to get a burn here and there.
 

Odin*

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I knew i read it on here somewhere https://www.rollitup.org/t/in-house-genetics-thread.883346/page-101#post-12452703 It has been mentioned before by others, but when i saw those pics, and the grower basically saying it was weak as fuck, that really stuck in my head.

I hear ya, but going by one account isn't the best way to pass judgement (no offense intended @st0wandgrow ). PP is supposed to be very potent, there are too many variables that could explain that one result. GSC is supposed to be slow in veg, I turned that around in under a year. My GSC grows as fast (if not quicker) than my GG4, Gelato, Purple Kush, etc.


Anyhow, I'm going to give it a go and will be sure to share my experience with it, whether that's good/bad happy/sad. I'm hoping it leaves me feeling like this :bigjoint:
 

st0wandgrow

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I hear ya, but going by one account isn't the best way to pass judgement (no offense intended @st0wandgrow ). PP is supposed to be very potent, there are too many variables that could explain that one result. GSC is supposed to be slow in veg, I turned that around in under a year. My GSC grows as fast (if not quicker) than my GG4, Gelato, Purple Kush, etc.


Anyhow, I'm going to give it a go and will be sure to share my experience with it, whether that's good/bad happy/sad. I'm hoping it leaves me feeling like this :bigjoint:
No offense taken. It's not just me though that found it to be kinda weak sauce. I believe @Bob Zmuda and @OGEvilgenius grew it too and had similar results. It's not terrible by any stretch, but when it looks like it does (soooo frosty) it gets your hopes up. The yield kinda sucked too, so all in all it was average IMO. Bag appeal is top notch if that's a consideration for anyone.
 

Bob Zmuda

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No offense taken. It's not just me though that found it to be kinda weak sauce. I believe @Bob Zmuda and @OGEvilgenius grew it too and had similar results. It's not terrible by any stretch, but when it looks like it does (soooo frosty) it gets your hopes up. The yield kinda sucked too, so all in all it was average IMO. Bag appeal is top notch if that's a consideration for anyone.
Yeah Peyote Purple has been kinda universally touted as "all show, no go" I have read that from several people and one cat had his tested. Came back around 10% total cannabinoids if I remember correctly.

Has a pretty bland taste as well. I gave the rest of my pack to my electrician.

I do regret it though because I have seen some people cross the PP to more powerful strains with killer results. The bag appeal and deep deep purple frosty breeds through and becomes more potent with a starfighter male for example.
 

Odin*

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@st0wandgrow @Bob Zmuda Both from seed? If so, that explains it. THE Peyote Purple would be a "clone only", seeds might get close to the real thing, but the whole "thing" about PP was that it was very carefully selected from a number of beans for it's potency and "purps". Not likely to recapture that magic in seed.


Now I'm wondering if real PP was used in Exotic's "Spirit in the Sky", or did he pop those beans too. Hmm?

Not too worried about it though Starfighter F2 as grandpa, Cube (cubed Starfighter) as baby daddy, I'm sure I'll trip over some fire. :bigjoint:
 

OGEvilgenius

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No offense taken. It's not just me though that found it to be kinda weak sauce. I believe @Bob Zmuda and @OGEvilgenius grew it too and had similar results. It's not terrible by any stretch, but when it looks like it does (soooo frosty) it gets your hopes up. The yield kinda sucked too, so all in all it was average IMO. Bag appeal is top notch if that's a consideration for anyone.
Bag appeal top notch. You have to wonder if you hunted if there's a potent pheno. But none seemed very potent to me. Looked pretty amazing though. Definitely a lesson learned. Did you get one tested at like 8%? It was a beautiful plant beautifully grown too I might add.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Yeah Peyote Purple has been kinda universally touted as "all show, no go" I have read that from several people and one cat had his tested. Came back around 10% total cannabinoids if I remember correctly.

Has a pretty bland taste as well. I gave the rest of my pack to my electrician.

I do regret it though because I have seen some people cross the PP to more powerful strains with killer results. The bag appeal and deep deep purple frosty breeds through and becomes more potent with a starfighter male for example.
Didn't give mine up because they were pretty uniform for a lot of things so I figured they suffered greatly from inbreed depression. Feel like there is definitely breeding potential in these beans.
 

Odin*

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Bag appeal top notch. You have to wonder if you hunted if there's a potent pheno. But none seemed very potent to me. Looked pretty amazing though. Definitely a lesson learned. Did you get one tested at like 8%? It was a beautiful plant beautifully grown too I might add.
But I have to ask, seed, or legit clone? Seed isn't "legit", and even clone implies innumerable variables.

"Guy" grows, what is alleged to be, GG4/GSC. Says it's bunk, you find out it was seed. Ditch the prospect of "GG4/GSC", or dig further for the legit shit?

I have my shovel in hand.



Props to those who are contributing knowledge/personal experience. It's much appreciated and relevant to "the cause". No disrespect intended.

If my "Labyrinth" experience differs, I'll be sure to share. Much love. bongsmilie
 

Cornfed Dread

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But I have to ask, seed, or legit clone? Seed isn't "legit", and even clone implies innumerable variables.

"Guy" grows, what is alleged to be, GG4/GSC. Says it's bunk, you find out it was seed. Ditch the prospect of "GG4/GSC", or dig further for the legit shit?

I have my shovel in hand.



Props to those who are contributing knowledge/personal experience. It's much appreciated and relevant to "the cause". No disrespect intended.

If my "Labyrinth" experience differs, I'll be sure to share. Much love. bongsmilie
Please keep updated on your Labyrinth I have a pack myself
 

st0wandgrow

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But I have to ask, seed, or legit clone? Seed isn't "legit", and even clone implies innumerable variables.

"Guy" grows, what is alleged to be, GG4/GSC. Says it's bunk, you find out it was seed. Ditch the prospect of "GG4/GSC", or dig further for the legit shit?

I have my shovel in hand.



Props to those who are contributing knowledge/personal experience. It's much appreciated and relevant to "the cause". No disrespect intended.

If my "Labyrinth" experience differs, I'll be sure to share. Much love. bongsmilie
Yes, grown from seed for all 3 of us. Cannabiogen is the breeder. I was not even aware that there was a clone only of it floating around. I suppose there could be out layers in the line, but it's a very inbred strain so the plants grown from seed are very uniform. iirc I grew out 4 or 5 from seed, and they were all nearly identical.
 
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