FEMINIZED seeds are NO guarantee of 100% female plants!

[Dr. Who]

You waste your time with Autos doc?!?!

This is the first time in many years I have......But no, not really!

It was a freebie comparative grow from the Vault and Mephisto. I popped in and said something like "Not wasting time on auto's". A person from the Vault then asked me if I would as a personal favor like...
I felt, "why not". I was just getting my card back from the shit earlier in the year and felt it might be fun to actually try this.....and post my results along with others.....

I had to start latter due the card part and am still posting pics and how I did's in that thread......That's where the male came from....Had a discussion with some members about having had males from femmed before......It lead to this thread, as I got the male...

I will not be running any auto's again - period!

 

[Dr. Who]

i'm just going to through this out there, why not..

when you make fem'ed seeds, you're using a female plant, which carries 2 xx chromosomes, and another female plant, again, carrying two xx chromosomes, to make seeds with.. of course you used a chemical such as collodial sliver to make the plant stop producing ethylene, so it therefore stopped growing pistillate flowers, and instead, grew male, stamenate flowers, which is how making seeds from an all female plant is possible after all, but being that you're making seeds from parent stock that only carries 4 x chromosomes, i'm failing to understand how you'd end up with male plants as an offspring when there should be no y's in the mix?
of course you know dr who i think you're a very knowledgeable grower, and one of the ones i respect most on this site tbh, i'm just thinking out loud here..

See, and there's the actual rub eh? Is it nature's boo boo? Is it the old school temp in seedling enviro thing? I don't know for sure Racer!

I just have to say that "There is no guarantee of 100% females from feminized seeds".

It's happened to me before and one of those where from my own selfing with a modified version Silver Nitrate and Sodium Thiosulfate.. I Like that chemical selfing agent better. I feel I get more stability out of it.....(is that possible? - lol)

The thing is. There are strong arguments for each of my theories being wrong. But, like they said in "Jurassic Park".....Nature finds a way! I guess beyond the "No guarantee" thing....That's the real point then .. eh?

I wish I had a $100 for every time something did a "THAT shouldn't even be possible" from my past!

Thanks for the respect! You get that back from me too!

 

[Uberknot]

me too. i'm at about that same percentage.

i did buy some autos (not labeled as auto fems) that had 1 male, 2 females of the 3 beans i popped.

i'd rather buy 100 fem seeds and have 1 male than a 100 regulars and get 30 to 50 males.

I'd rather have regular seeds and 50/50 I love males.

Whats funny is some folks think auto's are supposed to be all females....lol!

I had to explain more than once....there can be regular auto flowering seeds.

 

[Dr. Who]

I'd rather have regular seeds and 50/50 I love males.

Whats funny is some folks think auto's are supposed to be all females....lol!

I had to explain more than once....there can be regular auto flowering seeds.

Yes and no. Fem's have their place! Like the breeder quote I gave said....."Essentially I do it to keep lines as true to the clones and selections I've made."

It's what you have to work with when working a clone only line....

If I'm popping a shit ton of Regulars.....generally, I'm pheno hunting....That usually does include keeping pollen from the king male of my choice....

 

[bdt1981]

It's not a question at all!
It's a simple statement that you get no guarantee of 100% female seeds from S1's ... Rare, but it happens..
As for enviro related ratio's......I stills believe it as a possible......things I've tried.....suggest it's so....Please feel free to not believe!

12/12?? I don't run 12/12 and see no connection between lighting times and sex.. Just confused by that single comment....

Your also being very polite about your belief! Firm but, polite!

Trust me, I appreciate that too!

I just saw my very first male hermie of girl scout cookie and in the past i bought a 10 pack of ghs superbud and 1 male in the 10

 

[Psyphish]

I had a Connoiseur genetics Grandaddy White that was supposed to be feminized, it was full blown male. Original packaging as well, so it wasn't a seed mix up. I've also had plants that turned from female to male at some point.

 

[budman111]

I'd rather have regular seeds and 50/50 I love males.

Try Hydro and it is a wasted space removing males.

 

[whitebb2727]

Two things i saw here that are not true:

Environment affects sex
And
Someone stated only female plants can herm and show both sexes.

Environment absolutely plays a role in the sex of the cannabis plant.

The other, that's why I would like to see the male grown out to see if it pops female parts.

 

[whitebb2727]

I planted 300 + feminized seed from different breeders and random people. Not one hermied or tinted male. Last year I planted 500 plus not one hermied or turned male. Sounds like a bad pack.

You didn't pop enough. 99.9% female. One male to every 999 females. You might have to pop thousands before you find one.

I have never found one either.

 

[whitebb2727]

I don't really get what the question is here.. Of course genetics are a crazy thing and shit happens that we can't explain. ya every once in a while you get a fem bean that turns out a male or a herm. Let me put your environment theory to bed quick with common sense, every single animal on the planet Is born with a gender from day one. NOTHING is born an it and then develops a sexual orientation. Why would cannabis be any different and if it were, it would be an easily tested fact by now. I am obviously aware some animals are asexual and their are a couple oddities like the sea horse which changes genders but my point is we know that to be fact, we would know this to be fact as well by now if it were true. It's simply genetics we cannot understand. Also consider this, people run 12/12 from day one and get both males and females. In fact people run all different variables over and over millions of different gardens. Everybody gets males AND females.

Actually some do it. Quit speaking of things you don't know.
http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/22/7-gender-bending-animals/

It makes sense that environment can affect sex. If conditions are good you need less males.

 

[kermit2692]

Actually some do it. Quit speaking of things you don't know.
http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/22/7-gender-bending-animals/

It makes sense that environment can affect sex. If conditions are good you need less males.

"...There are a couple oddities..."

So ya i mentioned that already. I don't speak of things i don't know as you put it (dickishly). As to the other half of your response, Like i said it would be a known fact by now as are those animals so no it doesn't make sense that environment affects gender. We would know. However i can agree to disagree with those that believe it does..

 

[whitebb2727]

"...There are a couple oddities..."

So ya i mentioned that already. I don't speak of things i don't know as you put it (dickishly). As to the other half of your response, Like i said it would be a known fact by now as are those animals so no it doesn't make sense that environment affects gender. We would know. However i can agree to disagree with those that believe it does..

Not being a dick. You said plants wouldn't do it and used nature as an example. I provided a link that showed animals that do it. Kind of makes your point null.

You agree that environmental stress can cause herms, so why is it not possible the good environment influences sex?

 

[Yodaweed]

Environment absolutely plays a role in the sex of the cannabis plant.

The other, that's why I would like to see the male grown out to see if it pops female parts.

If that is true, then how do they do those cannabis sex kits, that show sex as early as leaves are formed...i think it's predetermined.

http://steephill.com/genkit

^^male/female testing kit

 

[whitebb2727]

If that is true, then how do they do those cannabis sex kits, that show sex as early as leaves are formed...i think it's predetermined.

http://steephill.com/genkit

^^male/female testing kit

I've seen those. I haven't used them and cant say anything about how accurate they are?

 

[Yodaweed]

I've seen those. I haven't used them and cant say anything about how accurate they are?

The people that i linked "steep hill" are a very respected lab here in colorado that do a lot of testing for the dispensaries, so i'd assume very accurate.

 

[whitebb2727]

The people that i linked "steep hill" are a very respected lab here in colorado that do a lot of testing for the dispensaries, so i'd assume very accurate.

I'll agree the kit works. Like the hyena, it can change sex. If you tested its sex before the switch how would that work?

I used the word absolute earlier. Il shall retract the word absolute.

I have heard 50/50 male/female out of reg seeds. I have always got closer to 70% female out of reg seeds. Maybe its not environment and maybe that's just the normal ratio.

I am still of the belief that environment affects sex. Bad conditions can cause herms, so to me it seems plausible that favorable conditions can cause more females.

 

[Yodaweed]

I'll agree the kit works. Like the hyena, it can change sex. If you tested its sex before the switch how would that work?

I used the word absolute earlier. Il shall retract the word absolute.

I have heard 50/50 male/female out of reg seeds. I have always got closer to 70% female out of reg seeds. Maybe its not environment and maybe that's just the normal ratio.

I am still of the belief that environment affects sex. Bad conditions can cause herms, so to me it seems plausible that favorable conditions can cause more females.

Yea , that's what i used to think cause i get a good amount more females than males from regular seeds too, but then i saw that test, now i don't have any idea.

 

[kermit2692]

Not being a dick. You said plants wouldn't do it and used nature as an example. I provided a link that showed animals that do it. Kind of makes your point null.

You agree that environmental stress can cause herms, so why is it not possible the good environment influences sex?

Again, it doesn't make my point null at all when i already myself acknowledged those exceptions, before you even linked it acting like you had some grand new information to blow me away with, and i then go on to say that if these animals have such behavior and we've known about it within a short time after knowing of the animals existence, and that they are the exception not the rule, we would definitely know this happens in cannabis by now IF it did. What you're now saying nullifies my hypothesis actually makes it stronger as it was part of my original argument. You tell yoda "what if they test before the switch." WHAT SWITCH?! there is no switch. Even a hermaphroditic plant will genetically reveal it's original and true sex. Don't you think if they were testing and plants were fem then they switched later in life that the testing facility would know and this would be common knowledge by now as i eluded to for even other reasons?? You seem to be only sucking in the information that works well with your theory and warping the rest to fit your scenario... I bet you voted for Hillary.

 

[kermit2692]

As white bb said earlier good conditions may require less males. But bad conditions do as well.... Truth is if you pop one thousand beans you will likely always get far more females because its natures failsafe to keep the genus alive. People who get alot of males are either having bad luck of the draw or doing something to throw their plants into herm and thinking they are male.

I will give you this, there's a chance high levels of males can in some way be due to the grow conditions OF THE PARENT not the seed, but, i wouldn't want to "speak on what i don't know" so i must say that's just a possible idea. If it were possible to change the genetics after the seed was formed feminized seeds would not even exist.

Yea , that's what i used to think cause i get a good amount more females than males from regular seeds too, but then i saw that test, now i don't have any idea.

 

[kermit2692]

Even take that last sentence alone..

"If it were possible to change the genetics after the seed was formed then feminized seeds would not even exist"

Boom. Busted. That obvious "if then" statement destroys the idea that gender can change after the seed forms. Or are we so smart we can figure out how to lock a seed to female but can't figure out if a lock on gender even exists without us having done so -_- not likely... But again, i agree to allow you to be wrong you can lead a horse to water...the information is now he for others to make the decision themselves.