A Problem With My Neighbor

curious2garden

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One last anecdote on the subject & then I'm done.
A buddy in the interior had a newer 3/4 ton p/u & managed to knock a tire bead loose on the truck during a particularly brutally cold weather pattern. He managed to get the tire off, got it fixed & reinstalled. Since this took several hours the truck's engine was now in the -60 deg range and refused to even fire (plus it was turning over like the crankcase was full of grease. S-l-o-w! Being a rocket scientist he tossed a cup of gasoline into the intake & promptly blew the heads off of the thing as well as breaking a few conn rods.
Lesson learned - Lol.

Bora Bora sounds nice btw - the Mrs & I are headed for Montego Bay very soon for some warm time ourselves.
In the regional burn center there were some great tales of the intellectual fails that led up to the burns.
 

ttystikk

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One last anecdote on the subject & then I'm done.
A buddy in the interior had a newer 3/4 ton p/u & managed to knock a tire bead loose on the truck during a particularly brutally cold weather pattern. He managed to get the tire off, got it fixed & reinstalled. Since this took several hours the truck's engine was now in the -60 deg range and refused to even fire (plus it was turning over like the crankcase was full of grease. S-l-o-w! Being a rocket scientist he tossed a cup of gasoline into the intake & promptly blew the heads off of the thing as well as breaking a few conn rods.
Lesson learned - Lol.

Bora Bora sounds nice btw - the Mrs & I are headed for Montego Bay very soon for some warm time ourselves.
This qualifies as fatally stupid.
 

ttystikk

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One last anecdote on the subject & then I'm done.
A buddy in the interior had a newer 3/4 ton p/u & managed to knock a tire bead loose on the truck during a particularly brutally cold weather pattern. He managed to get the tire off, got it fixed & reinstalled. Since this took several hours the truck's engine was now in the -60 deg range and refused to even fire (plus it was turning over like the crankcase was full of grease. S-l-o-w! Being a rocket scientist he tossed a cup of gasoline into the intake & promptly blew the heads off of the thing as well as breaking a few conn rods.
Lesson learned - Lol.

Bora Bora sounds nice btw - the Mrs & I are headed for Montego Bay very soon for some warm time ourselves.
Bora Bora is nice, but packed full of tourists and hotels. I want to find an island without either.
 

Wilderb

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I've had many diesels and they all require some amount of warming. But I also live in the sticks.
Many moons ago, I owned a 84 Cutlass Supreme. Had big tires, all jacked up, tinted windows, big sticker with the middle finger on the back window,.......and a 4.3 diesel motor. Strangest dam car I ever owned. Bought it used because I had another motor to put in it. Ended up selling the other motor so I drove the car the way it was for a year or so. Fuel lines were waayy to small. Dam thing gelled up all the time. Poor design. When I went to my favorite watering hole in the winter, I would just leave it run. So for 4-8 hours, that thing would idle outside, lol. Never burned more than an eighth of a tank and diesel was way cheaper than gas back then.
I got pulled over once by a state trooper. Went over that car from front to back. Wrote several tickets (tinting too dark, one tire had insufficient tread, etc) and one was for illegal exhaust. I explained that it was stock exhaust but it was a diesel. We got into a pretty decent pissing match over it.
Fought it in court and got half the tickets dropped. But that got me into a 15 year war with that trooper that ended up with him taking a swing at me at an accident scene. Happily, he is dead now. He died in prison, lol
When the "glow plug controller" took a shit, a year or so later, I couldn't find anybody who even believed the car was stock. I had to take it to a dealer, where only one mechanic had ever seen one. Said they didn't make many that way. They wouldn't work on it and the part they "thought" it needed was couple hundred dollars.
So I sold the car. Got a new motor and totaled soon after.
Unless you are doing a lot of heavy towing or hauling, having a diesel is a waste.
Just my .02
WE
 

ttystikk

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Electric trucks will make a comeback and they'll be stronger than diesel ever was in every way- except noise and smell. You'll still want to keep their batteries warm, though. As anyone with lithium ion battery powered tools can tell you, you let that battery freeze just once and it's finished.
 

whitebb2727

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Yes, that is a partial solution, my closest neighbor has a diesel truck and does the same as I, not to mention most of the houses in this neighborhood are super insulated & sealed. I can't even hear my truck running in my own driveway for that 10 minutes or so.

A second reason for a bit of an idle before loading up a diesel is to heat up the piston crowns and cyl walls to equalize thermal dis-similarity, ensure adequate lubrication thus avoiding excessive wear.
That would be with any vehicle. Just jumping in one cold and driving off is hard on them.

I hear a lot of complaints about diesels but they are more efficient than their gas counter parts.
 

whitebb2727

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One last anecdote on the subject & then I'm done.
A buddy in the interior had a newer 3/4 ton p/u & managed to knock a tire bead loose on the truck during a particularly brutally cold weather pattern. He managed to get the tire off, got it fixed & reinstalled. Since this took several hours the truck's engine was now in the -60 deg range and refused to even fire (plus it was turning over like the crankcase was full of grease. S-l-o-w! Being a rocket scientist he tossed a cup of gasoline into the intake & promptly blew the heads off of the thing as well as breaking a few conn rods.
Lesson learned - Lol.

Bora Bora sounds nice btw - the Mrs & I are headed for Montego Bay very soon for some warm time ourselves.
A small controlled fire under the engine would work better. Don't laugh. I've done it to keep from freezing to death.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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Prior to my buddy in the interior getting electricity he would remove the battery, drain the oil out of his truck & bring it in the house. In the morning he built a small charcoal fire in a hibachi looking pot & set it under the oil pan (and throw a tarp over the truck. Refill w/ warm oil & reinstall battery a half hour later & away he'd go.

Wayyyy too much hassle for me.
 

whitebb2727

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Prior to my buddy in the interior getting electricity he would remove the battery, drain the oil out of his truck & bring it in the house. In the morning he built a small charcoal fire in a hibachi looking pot & set it under the oil pan (and throw a tarp over the truck. Refill w/ warm oil & reinstall battery a half hour later & away he'd go.

Wayyyy too much hassle for me.
For sure too much hassle. I was logging and cutting firewood at the time. We were in the middle of nowhere. Not cold by northern standards. A little below zero.

We let the truck get cold and ran the skidder out of diesel. This was just a old dodge with a cummings in it. Worked longer than we should and didn't have enough gear or shelter. I guess we could've built shelter and made a fire instead. I tore the small metal tool box off the skidder and burned small twigs and pine cones in it under the engine. Took about 30-45 minutes to get it started. I tore one end out of the box and made a little stove with it.

We got stranded in a gas truck one night on the river and a cold front came in another time. We ran out of gas. the gauge was wrong. Didn't have a lighter one between us. I used a piece of wire, truck battery and paper towel to start a fire.
 

WeedFreak78

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I have a 1 ton diesel p/u myself and even @ 50 deg F or so you still cannot just jump in & drive away when she's cold - it simply will not throttle up because of the FICM/computer. I am forced to allow it to warm up for a minimum of 5 minutes & the colder it is the longer the warm up takes & that's with the majority of the radiator air flow blocked.
I love my old 12V Cummins, down to about 15F she fires right up and ready to go in a few minutes, never needs the block heater. All mechanical, no computers, I can tune it with a flathead, allen and a box wrench.

I thought about a late model, but at $1000 for fuel pumps, $1000+ for injectors, not to mention egr, dpf systems, electronics and emissions testing.. ya F that!
 

WeedFreak78

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That would be with any vehicle. Just jumping in one cold and driving off is hard on them.

I hear a lot of complaints about diesels but they are more efficient than their gas counter parts.
Pretty much any vehicle made in the last 20 yrs can be driven once oil pressure is up, no need to warm them up, unless extreme temps, like under 10F. Just drive "normal", until engine temps come up. Excessive idling in newer cars causes more wear than just driving them and getting up to temp quickly. Warming up is an old practice from the days of big iron engines, carburetors and point ignitions that didn't work well when cold, modern electronics can compensate for any of that now.

I'd love a 2-3litre turbo diesel rwd sedan, I keep thinking of an old volvo..
 

whitebb2727

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Pretty much any vehicle made in the last 20 yrs can be driven once oil pressure is up, no need to warm them up, unless extreme temps, like under 10F. Just drive "normal", until engine temps come up. Excessive idling in newer cars causes more wear than just driving them and getting up to temp quickly. Warming up is an old practice from the days of big iron engines, carburetors and point ignitions that didn't work well when cold, modern electronics can compensate for any of that now.

I'd love a 2-3litre turbo diesel rwd sedan, I keep thinking of an old volvo..
That is generally true however I looked at the manuals for my vehicles and it states an extended warm up period is not needed. What is considered extended?

I let mine run for more than the 30 seconds to a minute that most these anti idling articles state.

For a couple of reasons. First is the oil. I know modern oil performs better in cold weather than years past. The oil is still thick and in the bottom of the pan. Your vehicle will idle higher and have higher oil pressure due to cold start program on the computer.

I agree that letting them run for long periods of time is not needed but I still let mine warm a bit. They actually pollute more if you drive them cold instead of a couple minutes warming. Catalytic converters and other smog controls do not work until the engine is a temp.

I normally let mine warm until the cold start loop is open and the engine idles down a bit.
 

Ryante55

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OK I wanted to share a problem that I and others that live around me have been having with my neighbor. This dude has a ford diesel, an 08 I think, that he feels is mandatory to idle for like 30 minuets when the engine is cold. He does this with ALL of his vehicles as he thinks the engine will fail if he doesn't....lol His wife also owns a Hummer and she feels the same way about this idling routine as he does (the more idle time the better) and does it regularly as well.

They live next door to me in a single row type of house, so it is attached to one side of my house and he likes to park directly in front of it. I keep one of my vehicles that I rarely use parked directly in front of my house all the time to keep him from parking there because I have told him that him idling bothers me and it's apparent that he doesn't give a shit. Aside from my own home, I own the house on the other side of me that is next to an empty lot (my driveway) that his wife likes to park in front of and idle her vehicle there as well.

This dude goes to work at like 5am, and has his truck idleing in front of his house every morning at around 4:30am until he needs to leave for work at around 4:55 because he works right up the street. Like 3 blocks away and then he parks it...lol

His truck is very loud even idling and alot of the neighbors around here, including myself, have told him that this idling routine bothers them and wakes them up, and he just acts like he can't stop doing it. Dude is like borderline OCD about it.

Not only does the sound wake me/us up every morning, but I get the bonus of having my entire lower floor flooded with exhaust fumes for an hour or two after...lol

One of the other neighbors actually tried to park directly in front of his house to keep the idleing from bothering them so he had to park the truck on a side street a block down, but guess what, in the morning the dude starts it, and pulls around in the middle of the street in front of his house and let's it idle there. lol


I don't think there is anything legaly we can do, so none of us are sure what to do, if there is anything you can do, about this problem, but it really is annoying.

Can anyone think of something we can do to get through to this idiot? :lol:
Shove a little Rock in the cap of his tire inflation stem it will let the air out then he will fill the air up an put the cap back on again which will let the air out again. Fun little trick to deal with asshole drivers
 

whitebb2727

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Shove a little Rock in the cap of his tire inflation stem it will let the air out then he will fill the air up an put the cap back on again which will let the air out again. Fun little trick to deal with asshole drivers
I prefer to pull a plug or coil wire and insert wet cotton. It will run until the cotton dries and then miss or flat out stall.



Remember guys, arguments with neighbors can escalate quickly. I've been to court over it before.
 
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