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[schuylaar]

Yeah, that was a jest... I knew who he was and why he lost his presidential bid....

Putting someone in charge of a department he hates... Now that is a great idea!! I bet there will be some changes there!

If Trump's children were not already an integral part of his business I could agree with you. However, nobody has explained fundamentally how a blind trust would work without 3 of his kids losing their jobs due to someone else being elected to office.

However, nobody has explained fundamentally that POTUS is singular.

Who invited the Trump children in the first place, retardo?

 

[HAF2]

I don't know either, but I'd say like many things it has a range rather than an exact chronological time for every being.

Given your response, I'm curious what you think. if a woman HAS an abortion past the time when the fetus has the ability to feel pain etc. was it wrong to do the abortion ?

I really think it's none of my business. I don't butt into other medical procedures, why would I with this?

 

[schuylaar]

Again the question becomes at which point does a being acquire the right to not be harmed ?

What a person does to their OWN body is their right. What a person does to another persons body is a different matter.

I think we agree that beings incapable of defending themselves, and certainly children, shouldn't be abused...which brings the matter of the first question above back into play.

Why do ALL your sentences contain the word(s) people's bodies, children, abuse, own body, does to other bodies, rights and harm..you're becoming really creepy. Change the record.

I need to go shower now..ugh!

 

[schuylaar]

I don't know either, but I'd say like many things it has a range rather than an exact chronological time for every being.

Given your response, I'm curious what you think. if a woman HAS an abortion past the time when the fetus has the ability to feel pain etc. was it wrong to do the abortion ?

Do you keep your thoughts to yourself or does your wife know you're like this?

 

[Rob Roy]

I really think it's none of my business. I don't butt into other medical procedures, why would I with this?

You seemed genuinely concerned when people abused (caused pain) to children. While children are usually mismatched in a confrontation with an adult, an unborn being capable of feeling pain is even more incapable of running away etc.

So, I'm not saying you should butt into anyone's business, I'm generally against that, it just seemed if you had concern with causing a child pain, you might also be concerned with causing an unborn pain also.

 

[Rob Roy]

Why do ALL your sentences contain the word(s) people's bodies, children, abuse, own body, does to other bodies, rights and harm..you're becoming really creepy. Change the record.

I need to go shower now..ugh!

I know it's hard for you to follow complex directions but when the shampoo bottle says rinse lather repeat, you can stop after a couple of times. Please don't use all the hot water either.

 

[Tangerine_]

I agree, it's not my business what people decide to do with their OWN bodies.

The question then becomes, does an abortion abide with the statement above or does it conflict with it ? When does the body / right of another being (the unborn) come into play in this situation becomes the question. I'm not sure I have that answer.

Its a rather simple answer, but I'll play....unless of course this is yet another baited question.
Viability.

 

[schuylaar]

Its a rather simple answer, but I'll play....unless of course this is yet another baited question.
Viability.

And that's basically the cut off now 20 weeks..womb viability.

 

[Rob Roy]

Its a rather simple answer, but I'll play....unless of course this is yet another baited question.
Viability.

So, a paraplegic is not viable in the sense that he/she can care for themselves, nor is a newborn baby.

Off to the dog food factory for them ?

(thanks for playing, I hadn't intended it to be a baited question, I really don't know the answer, as in I'm undecided what is appropriate or not)

 

[Rob Roy]

And that's basically the cut off now 20 weeks..womb viability.

Do you mind at least putting on a towel??

 

[Dr Gruber]

Again the question becomes at which point does a being acquire the right to not be harmed ?

What a person does to their OWN body is their right. What a person does to another persons body is a different matter.

I think we agree that beings incapable of defending themselves, and certainly children, shouldn't be abused...which brings the matter of the first question above back into play.

The answer to that is when the baby can live outside an independent of the woman's body. When someone or something is living off a persons body (life force), male or female, they should have a right to stop that thing form living off their body.

 

[Rob Roy]

The answer to that is when the baby can live outside an independent of the woman's body. When someone or something is living off a persons body (life force), male or female, they should have a right to stop that thing form living off their body.

Coin flip?

 

[Dr Gruber]

So, a paraplegic is not viable in the sense that he/she can care for themselves, nor is a newborn baby.

Off to the dog food factory for them ?

(thanks for playing, I hadn't intended it to be a baited question, I really don't know the answer, as in I'm undecided what is appropriate or not)

I'm sure i could be wrong but I have the feeling by the way you couch your questions that you do not support abortion and are pretending that you do.


It's not because the unborn cant fend for itself, its because its living off your body. A paraplegic is not living off my body.

 

[Tangerine_]

So, a paraplegic is not viable in the sense that he/she can care for themselves, nor is a newborn baby.

Off to the dog food factory for them ?

(thanks for playing, I hadn't intended it to be a baited question, I really don't know the answer, as in I'm undecided what is appropriate or not)

Viability of an embryo (or rare cases of 2nd term fetuses) is the ability for it to survive outside the womb. I guess in your mind that equates to the same challenges a paraplegic would face.

Edited: because you seem to also believe full term conjoined twins is also the same thing.

 

[Dr Gruber]

Coin flip?

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Changing the subject now?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

And that's basically the cut off now 20 weeks..womb viability.

Our state legislature decided that six weeks was the right answer.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Changing the subject now?

Actually he might have had a rare point there. His jag is to turn every issue into a deadlock with theoretical bullshit that has no real relevance to actual people's lives.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm sure i could be wrong but I have the feeling by the way you couch your questions that you do not support abortion and are pretending that you do.


It's not because the unborn cant fend for itself, its because its living off your body. A paraplegic is not living off my body.

I get your point and agree that no person has the right to live off your body without your agreement.

I certainly felt an obligation to care for my children, when they were unborn and after they were born, with a gradual lessening of my oversite as they matured into young adults. (They're all grown now)

I am a man, and while I don't think I'd have an abortion if I were a woman, I don't think it's my business to intervene in what others do, so my questioning isn't an attempt to justify bringing in the state to prevent people from having abortions.

So, in that sense I don't support abortion, but I don't think that necessarily means I think it's okay for me to prevent others from getting one.

One question that hasn't been discussed here is does a father have any right to prevent the woman from aborting if the sex was consensual and the woman understood she could get pregnant?

 

[Rob Roy]

Actually he might have had a rare point there. His jag is to turn every issue into a deadlock with theoretical bullshit that has no real relevance to actual people's lives.

Almost. I was wondering if others thought causing pain to another being was reason not to have an abortion.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Almost. I was wondering if others thought causing pain to another being was reason not to have an abortion.

There might be more involved than that. Do you think not causing pain is a good reason to endanger the life of the mother or fetus?