When Does Life Begin ...

theloadeddragon

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come on you guys.... I think that other people would like to think their views on abortion matter and will be heard to the point that they can post them and it wont be swallowed up by a huge pissing match...

Neither of you have proven anything....
 

HotNSexyMILF

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come on you guys.... I think that other people would like to think their views on abortion matter and will be heard to the point that they can post them and it wont be swallowed up by a huge pissing match...

Neither of you have proven anything....
:clap::clap: This is why I try to stay far away from these kind of threads.. always nothing but mud slinging matches..
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I don't care what you say dragon, a doctor jamming a needle in your crotch and then slashing it open with a scalpel can't compare to someone squeezing your balls. Don't forget after they slash your crotch open they have to sew it back up. Nothing like having to sit directly on an insision for 2 weeks. And try to take a pee after that. It's like pouring ammonia into and open wound. It's extremely painful. After all that, don't forget that bowel movements are a daily occurance. If you were cut and restitched from your asshole to the head of your penis I'm sure that is more painful than a little ball squeeze.

I just don't think men see the bigger picture when it comes to child birth, the wreckage of the female body right afterwards.
 

Big P

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I don't care what you say dragon, a doctor jamming a needle in your crotch and then slashing it open with a scalpel can't compare to someone squeezing your balls. Don't forget after they slash your crotch open they have to sew it back up. Nothing like having to sit directly on an insision for 2 weeks. And try to take a pee after that. It's like pouring ammonia into and open wound. It's extremely painful. After all that, don't forget that bowel movements are a daily occurance. If you were cut and restitched from your asshole to the head of your penis I'm sure that is more painful than a little ball squeeze.

I just don't think men see the bigger picture when it comes to child birth, the wreckage of the female body right afterwards.


moffit I have already rebutted you statments like the above previously,

but you still reapet them with out reply to my rebuttle. is this because you cant argue with my post about this? kindly advise


here we go lets try to put the self center woman out to try to the complete picture



there are many things suck about being a women


there are many things that suck about being a man


not to get into it but both have benifits and negatives


it sum it up:

men die a lot more and earlier

woman have to have the babies


lets not take it further than that i dont want to start a whole new argument lol


but atleast we show moffitt both sides of the coin
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
so moffit here is like ouch it hurts being a woman


well how about ouch it hurts being a man I got electricuted while fixing the electricy in the house

ouch i defended my family and am now dead




I dont get it, you complaining about being a woman??


what a sad state of affairs



thats why i keep saying you are being so self centered moffit

i think your being selfish
 

HotNSexyMILF

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Labor and delivery isn't that bad.. women hate when I say it..no drugs, no screaming, I didn't punch anyone... the healing from the unnecessary episiotomy is worse than delivery/labor itself.. I learned my lesson and did more research this time around, I will def. tear naturally this time, episiotomys are not needed 95% of the time and cause unneeded pain...
 

Big P

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Labor and delivery isn't that bad.. women hate when I say it..no drugs, no screaming, I didn't punch anyone... the healing from the unnecessary episiotomy is worse than delivery/labor itself.. I learned my lesson and did more research this time around, I will def. tear naturally this time, episiotomys are not needed 95% of the time and cause unneeded pain...


yea my wife was ok after she got the epidural, i think the real hard part is carring the baby for so long


shit most women would endure even more pain if they could not have to carry the baby thats the real hard part

specially when your like 7 months trying to sleep and shit. ouch
 

theloadeddragon

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I don't care what you say dragon, a doctor jamming a needle in your crotch and then slashing it open with a scalpel can't compare to someone squeezing your balls. Don't forget after they slash your crotch open they have to sew it back up. Nothing like having to sit directly on an insision for 2 weeks. And try to take a pee after that. It's like pouring ammonia into and open wound. It's extremely painful. After all that, don't forget that bowel movements are a daily occurance. If you were cut and restitched from your asshole to the head of your penis I'm sure that is more painful than a little ball squeeze.

I just don't think men see the bigger picture when it comes to child birth, the wreckage of the female body right afterwards.
...a doctor jamming a needle in your crotch and then slashing it open with a scalpel can't compare to someone squeezing your balls...

Not pain wise, your right, what I meant is that it doesn't really happen that often unless there is something going on down there all the time, so they are comparable in the fact that they don't happen often.

If you were cut and restitched from your asshole to the head of your penis I'm sure that is more painful than a little ball squeeze.

I just don't think men see the bigger picture when it comes to child birth, the wreckage of the female body right afterwards.

OK.... you have obviously never had your balls squeezed. It is unbearable. I have had my hands smashed, been cracked in the head with huge rocks, I cut myself on a daily basis of branches of trees and tools, and pour salt into the wounds and laugh, I can take those things no problem, you squeeze my balls and I will be immobilized until you let go. A mans balls are key to the CNS, as it is them that is at the other end of the spinal cord (if people didn't notice how all those nerve endings get down there).

O.K. .... I just got through talking about how my wife had a baby, right? She had stitches, they were in for a month, they ripped out twice. I saw her pain when she peed. Thats why I did all the housework, stayed home with the kids, made her meals in bed, kept her nicely medicated on the ganja, gave her nothing but love and smiles, :). Her stomach and all of her insides was adjusting back to size, and that was painful too. And there was no longer that life growing in there, and that was emotionally painful too, and I saw it. All this and the little baby was always hungry and always wanted that sweet fresh milk... sometimes mommy would be really soar, so I would make a bottle for the baby to let mommy rest. I got the picture, the Big picture, all the way down to the last detail. And Im telling you, if I could have taken the burden of pain unto myself, I would have.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
You sound like women check the babies out of the fucking library.

I spent a total of 17 months vomiting between my 2 pregnancies. You couldn't pay me to be pregnant again. I puked so much that I had broken blood vessels in my eyes and face for the entire time of both pregnancies.

I used to puke so hard the second pregnancy that I would actually lose vision in my left eye. Still to this day if I have the flu and vomit in a really violent way I lose that vision for a half hour or so.

My first pregnancy I vomited so much and so hard that it actually cause premature labor, my son was a month premie because the vomiting literally expelled him.

Not to mention what vomiting with a fully formed human inside you does to your internal organs.

Pregnancy is not the happy wonderful, scenerio that you think it is. There are no birds chirping and flying happily around. The only thing flying around it the last thing you tried to choke down.

If I was to get pregnant today I would abort, plain and simple. Hell I wouldn't even tell my husband about it either. He's always going on about how happy he is that the kids are grown and it's just us now. Neither one of us wants another baby, so why even bother him with it.
 

HotNSexyMILF

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Pregnancy is what you make of it, when you're in pain and you focus on nothing but the pain and negatives of course it is going to make the experience that much more horrible- all this is taught during any pain management course or book for pregnancy and labor.. my first pregnancy was not comfortable or perfect, the first 4 months I threw up constantly, I ended up losing 15 lbs those first 4 months because I couldn't even hold down water.. the last part was nothing but back pain and headaches, was bedridden by my Dr. for 2 of those last months.. this pregnancy hasn't been all perfect either- but I'm not gonna walk around bitching about how evil it is to be a woman and have a child, sorry, I respect what role was given to me, and I appreciate it, good and bad, for without the bad- how could you truly experience good?
 

theloadeddragon

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yeah. I got vommited on every morning for nine months. My wife was too sick to get out of bed until 2 in the afternoon everyday. I am sure that wasn't fun. She had morning sickness all the way up to delivery. She couldn't go anywhere or do anything... so guess who did it all? huh? Me, and my wonderful wife have talked about this many many many times, and we both agree everytime, that when you look at both sides of the playing field we both get the shitty end of the deal so this precious life can come into the world.
It sounds like your talking to someone that hasn't gone through a pregnancy.... shouldn't be me then... I have two younger siblings, and two children. My oldest younger sibling is 14, so she is ten years younger than me, and I remember everything, even the miscarriage of her twin. Men go through the pregnancy a lot like the women do, and it has been proven that men go through similar physical symptoms as their pregnant wives....
 

Big P

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You sound like women check the babies out of the fucking library.

I spent a total of 17 months vomiting between my 2 pregnancies. You couldn't pay me to be pregnant again. I puked so much that I had broken blood vessels in my eyes and face for the entire time of both pregnancies.

I used to puke so hard the second pregnancy that I would actually lose vision in my left eye. Still to this day if I have the flu and vomit in a really violent way I lose that vision for a half hour or so.

My first pregnancy I vomited so much and so hard that it actually cause premature labor, my son was a month premie because the vomiting literally expelled him.

Not to mention what vomiting with a fully formed human inside you does to your internal organs.

Pregnancy is not the happy wonderful, scenerio that you think it is. There are no birds chirping and flying happily around. The only thing flying around it the last thing you tried to choke down.

If I was to get pregnant today I would abort, plain and simple. Hell I wouldn't even tell my husband about it either. He's always going on about how happy he is that the kids are grown and it's just us now. Neither one of us wants another baby, so why even bother him with it.

forget it dude, its like she doesnt even read your post but then replies to it in her auto pilot dribble without even actually looking at what you wrote, thats why her replies rarely make sense about the particular detail .

its like she always argues or somthing and tottally just ignores anyones response, i think she does this a lot verbally with someone in her private life. either that or shes drunk

she is more of a statment maker than a person having a conversation with others, so whats the point
 

ZenMaster

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Thanks to everyone who backed up the kidney stone pain.

I didn't want it to be a contest to see which one is more painful, thats trivial, I just wanted to let Moffitt to realize that men can go through horrible pains as well so don't think you women should get the pity card. Is it worth the life of a child so you don't have to do those again is the real question..
 

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
He's a piece of shit.That's as far as I'm gonna go into that.
He should have a say.

Just because he was for abortion doesn't make him any less of the father of the child.
The doctor took his fingers and helped me tear.I was tearing already, so he tore me some more.Eight weeks of healing.The damn scar still throbs when there's a storm coming, lol.
A MALE doctor will tell you that. A FEMALE doctor will laugh in your face at that idea.

I gave birth twice, no epidural either time. They gave me a local for when they took a scalpel and cut me from my cootchie to my butt hole. :o

I say this, until a doctor as shoved a needle into your crotch, you just haven't liived. Lets not forget that they are cutting your crotch open. When they were sewing me back up I could feel every stitch. I kept telling them I could feel it and the doctor who was a man said "you can't feel that" alrighty then ! :shock:

Comparing a fucking kidney stone to shitting out something the size of a watermelon is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Unless your kidney stone weighed a minimum of 7 pounds, you don't know shit about fuck.

:hump:
Good For you, milf.Did you have any complications? I sure did.I was in labor 25 hours with my first one, and it was all back labor.Then they jammed a big needle in me and broke the water...I don't care, that fucking hurts.The fingers up me hurt.I begged them for pain meds.They refused.They gave me pitocin to hurry my labor, and then it got even worse.There were no breaks, the pains rolled in on top of each other one after the other.I wouldn't fully dilate.I was alone, my first daughter's father watched tv and told me, oh, it's not that bad.I'm not a pussy.I can take pain.This was out of my depth.And the humiliation of having a crowd between your legs, watching you shit yourself,and scream like a cornered animal, and having no comfort, and then get ripped from asshole to appetite, and then sewn up with no anethesia.Yeah, I'm glad you had a nice labor, cuz I didn't.My second was much better, because of the epidural, but it was still 17 hours,and they had to break my water, and from that,yes, I nearly died.I can definitely see why someone would want to spare themselves that.
Labor and delivery isn't that bad.. women hate when I say it..no drugs, no screaming, I didn't punch anyone... the healing from the unnecessary episiotomy is worse than delivery/labor itself.. I learned my lesson and did more research this time around, I will def. tear naturally this time, episiotomys are not needed 95% of the time and cause unneeded pain...
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Sounds like you are drunk to me. You accuse me of being drunk. I haven't touched alcohol for 2 1/2 years. Just because you are a lush does not make us all worthless drunks.


forget it dude, its like she doesnt even read your post but then replies to it in her auto pilot dribble without even actually looking at what you wrote, thats why her replies rarely make sense about the particular detail .

its like she always argues or somthing and tottally just ignores anyones response, i think she does this a lot verbally with someone in her private life. either that or shes drunk

she is more of a statment maker than a person having a conversation with others, so whats the point
 

Smirgen

Well-Known Member
misshestermoffitt
If I was to get pregnant today I would abort, plain and simple.
Another option would be if you dont want to have anymore children you should stop having sex or should have your tubes tied/or your husband should have a vasectomy, I know both of those methods may sound like an inconvenience but its no where as inconvenient as having a mother who is less than human rob you of your life.
 

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
I had my tubes tied.Even so, it's not 100 percent.Do you think that women really use abortion as a sole means of birth control?Come on, now.
misshestermoffitt

Another option would be if you dont want to have anymore children you should stop having sex or should have your tubes tied/or your husband should have a vasectomy, I know both of those methods may sound like an inconvenience but its no where as inconvenient as having a mother who is less than human rob you of your life.
 
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