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[SSGrower]

Thanks for the morning read. I was not even considering chip effeciency. Seems that cooling below 25c or so any gains in effeciency would be lost to the energy spent for cooling. But if the chips operate at the desired daytime room then it seems to me that alot of the temp management issues would basically self resolve. I like the idea of the baseboards but not sure this will do much for humidity, unless at some point the baseboard temps drop below the dew point.

IMO net zero should be a goal for indoor mj gardens. Mj gardeners have an opportunity to set the ag industry on its ear if we do it right. Current industry standards for this goal are basically nonexistent which is why I started my own garden. Thanks for your work here tt and I'd love to have a beer with ya sometime pm me

 

[SSGrower]

Yes connecting to the hot side of the circuit makes more sense now that I re read, though though the opeating temp of the cobs may be above the 77f say at 105f or so seem that any chip effeciency gains beyond this would be lost by the need to heat the room as you stated above. Your last statement about the heat already being there is basically what I was trying to say back in october.

 

[Budley Doright]

So what are you actually cooling that generates the capacity to heat your house and DHW?

 

[ttystikk]

Thanks for the morning read. I was not even considering chip effeciency. Seems that cooling below 25c or so any gains in effeciency would be lost to the energy spent for cooling. But if the chips operate at the desired daytime room then it seems to me that alot of the temp management issues would basically self resolve. I like the idea of the baseboards but not sure this will do much for humidity, unless at some point the baseboard temps drop below the dew point.

IMO net zero should be a goal for indoor mj gardens. Mj gardeners have an opportunity to set the ag industry on its ear if we do it right. Current industry standards for this goal are basically nonexistent which is why I started my own garden. Thanks for your work here tt and I'd love to have a beer with ya sometime pm me

Many people have voiced that opinion about cold water being ultimately a wash and y'all missed the obvious point; the heat has to leave the room anyway, so taking it from directly behind the chip gives you a leg up in efficiency.

That said, the plants don't like freezing in bright light; they need to transpire water to bring nutrients up the stalk and if they don't get it, they starve.

 

[ttystikk]

IMO net zero should be a goal for indoor mj gardens. Mj gardeners have an opportunity to set the ag industry on its ear if we do it right. Current industry standards for this goal are basically nonexistent which is why I started my own garden. Thanks for your work here tt and I'd love to have a beer with ya sometime pm me

Define 'net zero'. Everything needs power, and greenhouses are absolutely no exception. I agree that we have a huge opportunity to influence the larger world of agriculture, in fact I'm betting my career on it.

 

[ttystikk]

So what are you actually cooling that generates the capacity to heat your house and DHW?

My grow room. Watts are watts and they still need to be removed. The idea that LED doesn't need active cooling is a myth and the sooner it's busted, the better.

 

[Budley Doright]

I totally agree that cooling lights is a good thing and that's why it's been done for many years with all types of lighting. Anyway to capture and reuse heat is a good thing!as well, just did another dairy farm chiller/heat pump that uses a heat exchanger to capture the heat from the milk to help heat the barn . It has just become code here to instal a drain heat capture coil on all new home construction. As for the net zero it is a lofty goal but a good one. The one reason I have not switched to LED lighting is the fact I may be giving up heat generation that I in fact require for four months, so my thoughts are why not use the lighting to heat as oppose to resistive heating. The product, under LED, does keep me thinking it may be worth it though lol.

 

[ttystikk]

I totally agree that cooling lights is a good thing and that's why it's been done for many years with all types of lighting. Anyway to capture and reuse heat is a good thing!as well, just did another dairy farm chiller/heat pump that uses a heat exchanger to capture the heat from the milk to help heat the barn . It has just become code here to instal a drain heat capture coil on all new home construction. As for the net zero it is a lofty goal but a good one. The one reason I have not switched to LED lighting is the fact I may be giving up heat generation that I in fact require for four months, so my thoughts are why not use the lighting to heat as oppose to resistive heating. The product, under LED, does keep me thinking it may be worth it though lol.

All I can tell you is that even with LED I have no shortage of heat.

 

[Budley Doright]

All I can tell you is that even with LED I have no shortage of heat.

I keep hearing from lots that the heat output has dropped but I guess their running equivalent wattage as opposed to watt per watt. Once you get the lights hooked back up it would be interesting to see how many btu's they actually generate and that would take 5 minutes. It's still gotta be pretty close to 3.5 btu's per watt I would think.

 

[SSGrower]

So the better or more effeciently outside inputs (power is one) can be used in base level design the better the design is. Even more so if the need for the input can be eliminated or selfgenerated on premesis for less outlay (primarily cash annd time). Net zero outputs equal inputs, there are no losses. Its not possible so i guess according to tony robbins it wouldnt be a good goal.

 

[SSGrower]

So the better or more effeciently outside inputs (power is one) can be used in base level design the better the design is. Even more so if the need for the input can be eliminated or selfgenerated on premesis for less outlay (primarily cash annd time). Net zero outputs equal inputs, there are no losses. Its not possible so i guess according to tony robbins it wouldnt be a good goal.

IMO how this impacts your stated "career bet" well, in a word capitalisim. Like it or not.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

So the better or more effeciently outside inputs (power is one) can be used in base level design the better the design is. Even more so if the need for the input can be eliminated or selfgenerated on premesis for less outlay (primarily cash annd time). Net zero outputs equal inputs, there are no losses. Its not possible so i guess according to tony robbins it wouldnt be a good goal.

Note; Tony Robbins can ride a whole ferris wheel of dicks. Those are my instincts talking. There sure are a lot of people self-helping themselves to other people's money in the self-help industry, but where is the help-others industry? What would that look like? Books and podcasts, and probably overpriced seminars and conferences to teach people how to help other people achieve their goals? That should be a lot more popular. Wouldn't that help us achieve our own goals at the same time? Don't teach a man to fish. Teach him to teach people how to fish. I think considering at least one layer of abstraction beyond what popular "self-help" and "human potential" content usually provides can potentially inform our future actions more meaningfully. There are mind-traps hiding in some of the language used in that business, and I have very little patience for most of the practitioners of that craft. Simon Sinek notwithstanding. Simon Sinek has the right message.

 

[Vnsmkr]

Tony Robbins can ride a whole ferris wheel of dicks.

So you are saying Tony Robbins could fall out of the dick tree and hit every branch on the way down huh? LMAO

 

[bassman999]

I keep hearing from lots that the heat output has dropped but I guess their running equivalent wattage as opposed to watt per watt. Once you get the lights hooked back up it would be interesting to see how many btu's they actually generate and that would take 5 minutes. It's still gotta be pretty close to 3.5 btu's per watt I would think.

There are some spectrums absent from LED that are present in HID that could posibly acount for the difference in heat, infrared, UV?
Not sure if led has the infrared

 

[ttystikk]

IMO how this impacts your stated "career bet" well, in a word capitalisim. Like it or not.

Yep.

Nothing wrong with capitalism in the service of the greater good.

 

[ttystikk]

So the better or more effeciently outside inputs (power is one) can be used in base level design the better the design is. Even more so if the need for the input can be eliminated or selfgenerated on premesis for less outlay (primarily cash annd time). Net zero outputs equal inputs, there are no losses. Its not possible so i guess according to tony robbins it wouldnt be a good goal.

I'm creeping up on this goal for certain inputs, like water; my sealed room needs both cooling and dehumidification, which creates a lot of condensate. I use this as base water and add nutrients and reuse it.

Another member here is experimenting with soil that releases its own co2, eliminating another input requirement.

 

[ttystikk]

There are some spectrums absent from LED that are present in HID that could posibly acount for the difference in heat, infrared, UV?
Not sure if led has the infrared

No UV for LED, there is some infrared but less is desirable for efficiency.

 

[ttystikk]

I keep hearing from lots that the heat output has dropped but I guess their running equivalent wattage as opposed to watt per watt. Once you get the lights hooked back up it would be interesting to see how many btu's they actually generate and that would take 5 minutes. It's still gotta be pretty close to 3.5 btu's per watt I would think.

They're running equivalent lighting, not equivalent wattage; I'M running equivalent wattage- which means my HVAC requirement is relatively unchanged.

I did that because I had problems adequately lighting the large trellis surface area, and then more problems keeping it cool. The efficiency of LED addressed both issues.

 

[ttystikk]

Note; Tony Robbins can ride a whole ferris wheel of dicks. Those are my instincts talking. There sure are a lot of people self-helping themselves to other people's money in the self-help industry, but where is the help-others industry? What would that look like? Books and podcasts, and probably overpriced seminars and conferences to teach people how to help other people achieve their goals? That should be a lot more popular. Wouldn't that help us achieve our own goals at the same time? Don't teach a man to fish. Teach him to teach people how to fish. I think considering at least one layer of abstraction beyond what popular "self-help" and "human potential" content usually provides can potentially inform our future actions more meaningfully. There are mind-traps hiding in some of the language used in that business, and I have very little patience for most of the practitioners of that craft. Simon Sinek notwithstanding. Simon Sinek has the right message.

Tony Robbins' books helped me at least a bit.

That said, I'll definitely seek out Simon Sinek on your recommendation. Self improvement is generally a good investment, I've found.

 

[SSGrower]

Maybe this hydronic coolong loop could be incorporated into driveway design? How you ask?
Heated driveway in winter as a dumping point for the extra heat you still have. Large thermal well in the summer still as long as it's not south facing asphalt and hydronic lines are deep enough. Problem, this system not really useful for someone that lives in florida, but take the $600 for a snowblower, the pita that it is to store, and the 1.5 hrs I spend every time it snows more than 4in....add that up and a driveway heater is sounding real good.
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