Organic Growing: An Introductory Guide

greasemonkeymann

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still gonna rock LB & lacewings but when the mites 1st appear switch then
but I've now fixed my heat/cooling sooo keeping the temps & humidity stable is again easy peasy
will slows any breakouts from blowing up the whole room
u ever sulfur gas the room with a burner ? between crops of course
for me?
nah, the mites I have could burrow through the sun and still be hungry and ready to eat my plant
damn things are resistant to anything, course maybe not now, as I've been using predator mites for about 16 months or so, that's my favorite thing about them, sorta like a "reset" button on their evolution to resist chemicals/pesticides
predator mites eat em all, and eat em fast
only problem is after your plants are picked clean, they take off, so reinfestation is a concern if you are like me, and in a forest, full of like 4 types of mites
but for inside grows for normal people, it'd be done deal, two apps of the predator mites and you are golden
 

greasemonkeymann

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captain jacks works awesome against mites... but would be a lot more work than predatory mites :)
that, my friend, is one of my favorite things about them, I got WAY too many plants to dip them all every 2 days for a week, fuck that
sprinkle the mites and you are done, not to mention it's CLEAN, those miticides ain't no joke, and I have certain concerns with spinosad, considering it's systemic, not sure if anyone has studied what happens when humans smoke spinosad... could be harmless.. or maybe not
Don't wanna risk that for me and my loved ones

and like I said.. there is a certain ass-kickery involved when you imagine each and every mite being hunted down and torn apart, and eaten alive, hopefully in a very painful manner too..
Yea... I got no love for mites..
 

ShLUbY

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that, my friend, is one of my favorite things about them, I got WAY too many plants to dip them all every 2 days for a week, fuck that
sprinkle the mites and you are done, not to mention it's CLEAN, those miticides ain't no joke, and I have certain concerns with spinosad, considering it's systemic, not sure if anyone has studied what happens when humans smoke spinosad... could be harmless.. or maybe not
Don't wanna risk that for me and my loved ones

and like I said.. there is a certain ass-kickery involved when you imagine each and every mite being hunted down and torn apart, and eaten alive, hopefully in a very painful manner too..
Yea... I got no love for mites..
yeah i often wondered that about the captain jack's. i haven't had to use it in a long time. that being said, and as you said, who knows how long it stays systemic in the plant. and if i had an infestation happen... i'd def go with the predatory mites this time around. they sound like fun :)

Edit: a friend of mine can't get rid of his mites and he sets off bombs monthly in his grow... no matter what stage they are in... I started refusing his joints he'd pass about 2 years ago... now i pretty much refuse most ppl's herb because it's all sub par. my friends call me a snob... i say to that "i'll fire one up" :lol:
 

greasemonkeymann

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yeah i often wondered that about the captain jack's. i haven't had to use it in a long time. that being said, and as you said, who knows how long it stays systemic in the plant. and if i had an infestation happen... i'd def go with the predatory mites this time around. they sound like fun :)

Edit: a friend of mine can't get rid of his mites and he sets off bombs monthly in his grow... no matter what stage they are in... I started refusing his joints he'd pass about 2 years ago... now i pretty much refuse most ppl's herb because it's all sub par. my friends call me a snob... i say to that "i'll fire one up" :lol:
YUP, he can't get rid of them because they are immune to all the stuff he's been using, I've seen them build resistance in 4-5 generations of mites (approx. a week or two depending on temps)
nothing, nothing, nothing will work indefinetly
mine were resistant to dichlorvos, miticides (forbid and avid), neem oil, pyrethrins, azamax.
the only thing that works is physical pesticides, like desiccation methods, (essential oils and dawn detergent) which left residue and tended to fry the pistils
predator mites are THE only longterm mite control, and it's expensive and you WILL need periotic treatments of it (well, if you are in a mite-infested area)
tell him to try the predator mites, I was a HUGE skeptic
until I tried it
in fact the dude didn't charge me for the first dose, he wanted to prove me wrong
and he did, I was convinced that you'd need a damn flamethrower to combat these lil bastards
 

Chunky Stool

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YUP, he can't get rid of them because they are immune to all the stuff he's been using, I've seen them build resistance in 4-5 generations of mites (approx. a week or two depending on temps)
nothing, nothing, nothing will work indefinetly
mine were resistant to dichlorvos, miticides (forbid and avid), neem oil, pyrethrins, azamax.
the only thing that works is physical pesticides, like desiccation methods, (essential oils and dawn detergent) which left residue and tended to fry the pistils
predator mites are THE only longterm mite control, and it's expensive and you WILL need periotic treatments of it (well, if you are in a mite-infested area)
tell him to try the predator mites, I was a HUGE skeptic
until I tried it
in fact the dude didn't charge me for the first dose, he wanted to prove me wrong
and he did, I was convinced that you'd need a damn flamethrower to combat these lil bastards
Gotta keep in mind that there are different species of spider mites. I have never had "the borg", which is a two-spotted mite that specializes in cannabis. From what I hear, they are extremely difficult to eradicate with non-toxic remedies. If you've got the borg, predator mites sound like the best organic solution.
 

bassman999

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Gotta keep in mind that there are different species of spider mites. I have never had "the borg", which is a two-spotted mite that specializes in cannabis. From what I hear, they are extremely difficult to eradicate with non-toxic remedies. If you've got the borg, predator mites sound like the best organic solution.
2 spotted mite is the only one I have ever seen
Nevermind I had yellow ones outdoor 2 yrs ago
 

Chunky Stool

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I was looking my my local garden store for magnesium correction in my next run. All I could find there that I can see helping would be Potash of Magnesia. I have found little information on this and was wondering what you fine people thought of this amendment :bigjoint:

@Rasta Roy @greasemonkeymann @NaturalFarmer
That's one option. There's also epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) or langbeinite (sul-po-mag) if you want extra potassium.
 

Rasta Roy

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I was looking my my local garden store for magnesium correction in my next run. All I could find there that I can see helping would be Potash of Magnesia. I have found little information on this and was wondering what you fine people thought of this amendment :bigjoint:

@Rasta Roy @greasemonkeymann @NaturalFarmer
I use it. I only mix it once and I won't mix it in again until after growing in it a couple times or more. It is a salt based mineral so use overtime could cause salt build up but I think you'd have to use a more excessive amount than reccomended to truely do that.
That's one option. There's also epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) or langbeinite (sul-po-mag) if you want extra potassium.
He's talking about Langbeinite I believe. If you google potash of magnesia all that comes up is Langbeinite.
 

Chunky Stool

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I use it. I only mix it once and I won't mix it in again until after growing in it a couple times or more. It is a salt based mineral so use overtime could cause salt build up but I think you'd have to use a more excessive amount than reccomended to truely do that.

He's talking about Langbeinite I believe. If you google potash of magnesia all that comes up is Langbeinite.
Ah... I thought it was sulfate of potash magnesia.
 

Chunky Stool

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I used langbeinite on my outdoor crop last year as a top dressing and they turned out very healthy with high brix. Less N + extra K seems to help increase the brix.
I'm nursing a reveg plant that was pretty damn sickly for a while. Yesterday I noticed that she's starting to get that high brix shine, and leaf texture is almost perfect. Reducing nitrogen can be a very good thing -- even if they look a little pale.
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Rasta Roy

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I used langbeinite on my outdoor crop last year as a top dressing and they turned out very healthy with high brix. Less N + extra K seems to help increase the brix.
I'm nursing a reveg plant that was pretty damn sickly for a while. Yesterday I noticed that she's starting to get that high brix shine, and leaf texture is almost perfect. Reducing nitrogen can be a very good thing -- even if they look a little pale.
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I can tell the plants in my room are definitely wishing they had a little less nitrogen in their soil right now lol. All that rich compost!
 

greasemonkeymann

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Gotta keep in mind that there are different species of spider mites. I have never had "the borg", which is a two-spotted mite that specializes in cannabis. From what I hear, they are extremely difficult to eradicate with non-toxic remedies. If you've got the borg, predator mites sound like the best organic solution.
oh man, I've had like four or five types of different mites, including russets (actually not as bad as i'd heard, they reproduce slow as hell compared to 2-spots)
but I've had brown mites, reddish ones, russets, 2-spots, and a weird black one
the worst are the red and the 2-spots
but all of them resist treatment after a bit
the russets were easy as hell to deal with, those guys I had controlled with just my dawn soap and water, dip em and they are chapped..
but the regular spider mites are unwashed-whores to deal with..
 

greasemonkeymann

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I was looking my my local garden store for magnesium correction in my next run. All I could find there that I can see helping would be Potash of Magnesia. I have found little information on this and was wondering what you fine people thought of this amendment :bigjoint:

@Rasta Roy @greasemonkeymann @NaturalFarmer
I know people are tired of me saying it, but get some comfrey, grow it, and topdress three or four bigass leaves (shredded) into the topsoil every 2-3 weeks, and you'll never have a calcium, magnesium or a nitrogen def again
 
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