10 LB Goal - SpydrX Plus, Cindy 99 & More

[PootingDragon]

Hello All,
I’m still a noob so any good input will be greatly appreciated.



SETUP

I’ve been setting up this space for quite some time now. Where I am, we have HOT SUMMERS and COLD WINTERS. I just finished building out the attic. I’m a shitty DIY kind of guy with low patience so don’t expect anything amazing. Plus everyday working up there I would be covered with 100 year old blow-in fiberglass insulation that had beef with me. So, give me a break. I’ve insulated the attic with new R-38 insulation. I then covered the room with Panda Film. It doesn’t look too bad if you ask me. Check out some photos of the RAW attic. Before I started getting it together.







The next pic is once I started laying down the floors...





And this is actually the area where I will be vegging right here,





The plan is to set up a perpetual harvest. I have a short area about 5 ft high, 8.5ft wide and 12 feet long where I will be vegging with (4) 4x8 T5 fluorescent. Since this is an attic space, keep in mind all the rooms are going to be a triangle. This one isI 5ft at the center.

My other room is about 8ft high and 14ft wide and 14ft long. This will be my flower room. This is where I have (5) SpydrX Plus.





Air & Ventilation


I have an 8 burner Titan Co2 Generator, Co2 Monitor and a 14inch fan attached to a filter. This hangs from the roof smack in the center. I have a large fan behind the generator to blow the co2 towards the plants.

I plan on sectioning the vegging area off with panda film then adding a 6” inline to exhaust the veg air back into the flower room. I’m thinking the negative pressure from the exhaust will suck in the Co2 air from the flower room.

For the summer months I purchased a 22,000 BTU window mount AC. I built one of those AC boxes for it to exhaust the heat and pull in ambient air.



Also, the Co2 PPM in the room, without Co2 is at about 550-600 at normal.



Lighting


(4) 4x8 T5’s for veg

(5) SpydrX Plus for flower



Genetics

This is the fun Part…


(10) Cindy 99 from Seeds Here Now. Supposedly these are the original Brother’s Grim
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(20) Brian Berry Cough – TGA Subcool. Got these from OASeeds. They are in spain, their communication sucks. It’ll be about a week until you start to feel likw you’ve been scammed and robbed. Then you get some seeds in the mail that are A1 quality along with a gift and you forgive them for being such shitty business owners.

(10) Blue Dream (Femenized) – Humboldt Seeds. Got these from OA seeds.

(10) Cheese – This was the gift that OASeeds sent me.

(4) Kosher Kush (Fem) – Purchased from Marry’s Cannabis Seeds

(4) Grand Daddy Purple - Purchased from Marry’s Cannabis Seeds

(4) Jesus OG (Fem) - Purchased from Marry’s Cannabis Seeds

(4) Scott's OG (Fem) - Purchased from Marry’s Cannabis Seeds

(3) Dank Commander from Rare Dankness - Purchased from Marry’s Cannabis Seeds

(2) Girl Scout Cookies (Fem) Not the forum cut. - Purchased from Marry’s Cannabis Seeds

(2) Durban Poison (Fem)- Purchased from Marry’s Cannabis Seeds





Nutrients

GH Flora Trio

Rapid Start

Liquid Kool Bloom

Dry Kool Bloom

Botanicare Cal-Mag

Hydroguard

29% H202

Thrive Alive

Floralicious Plus

Flora Blend

Flora Nectar

Armor Si



Grow Medium


Rapid Rooters & Germination Tray --> 16oz Solo Cups sitting in 4x4 tray with 50/50 coco perlite mix and ¼” drain hole --> 3-gallon fabric pots

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Germination

I germinated seeds on 12/24. Stupid me, I kept the tray in the dark for 4 days so the stems are looking a bit stretchy. I’ m hoping they recover from that, ASAP.



Of all the seeds I germinated all of the Cindy99, Blue Dream, Cheese and BBC popped. I’m currently struggling with 1 BD and 1 Brian Berry I’ll update you with pics in a few hours.

90% of the seeds with problems came from Mary’s Cannabis Seeds. Simply put, they don’t have top quality genetics. ½ of the GSC sprouted, the other is a dud. ¾ GDP sprouted one of which seems to be dying. I’ll update with pic tomorrow. ½ Durban Poison sprouted. ¾ of the Scott’s OG popped. The sad part is I tried to germinate 2 of those seeds a few months back (I originally had 6 seeds) and they wouldn’t pop. The Kosher Kush is still in the germination tray. I put those in the plugs 12/28.

I used a heating matt, Rapid Start and PH’d. I’m seeing the taproot hanging out the bottom of the plugs so that was awesome. Growth seemed pretty quick.





12/28

I transplanted into solo cups. Kind of wishing I rinsed out the coco before I transplanted. The genius me, trying to penny pinch I used the run off water to feed a few other seedlings. Don’t ask me why but it seemed like a GENIUS idea at the time. But I haven’t seen any ill side effects, YET! I did a light feeding with 1/4 strength nutes, full strength CalMag and some peroxide just in case.

Here are some pics of the vegging SOLO cups.





I think I'm going to lower the lights down some, too. I think they should be a little stronger. I only have half of the lights on, for each T5. So 4 on for each fixture. There is an oscilating fan behind me and I added a small clip fan to the upper right hand corner of the tray.

 

[PootingDragon]

First Pic is my veg area.

2nd Pic is flower area. I haven't setup the lights yet... there is one spydrx laying on the floor however.

3rd pic is pretty much the entire space.

4th space is the area where I'm outing my co2 generator and my AC. You can see the AC with the box and everything in there now.

The space is larger than the pictures make it look.

 

[PootingDragon]

PROBLEMS

After I checked on my sprouts today a few things concerned me my humidity is only at 25 percent. Is this something I should panic about? My grow space is extremely dry! It was 16% before now.

I'm seeing some weirdness with the Grand Daddy Purple. Why does it have 3 cotyledons. I feel like these seeds aren't going to workout. Of the two that sprouted they both have this issue.


Scott's OG

Not sure what's happening here.

I also lost a Blue Dream today as well. It just shriveled up and died out of nowhere.

This BBC isn't looking so well either . Check out the weirdness in the stem. I'm wondering if the humidity being too low is causing this.


If there are any thoughts to increase the humidity, kindly let me know.

Thanks Stoners!

 

[OldMedUser]

That BBC looks like it has got stem rot and is likely a goner but don't chuck it until it falls over and dies.

That OG Scott is weird. Never seen a seedling die like that. Looks like something attacked it.

Three pronged seedlings are fairly rare but tend to just grow like the regular ones later. More an oddity than a problem.

If you are going to be running a sealed room high RH will become a problem once the plants are big and transpiring a few gallons of water/day into the grow space. Make sure you set up the A/C so that you can capture the distilled water dripping out and re-use it. Bit of peroxide in that water to make sure any spores etc are killed and it's fine to pass thru your plants again.

For your seedlings some sort of enclosure with thin plastic around them would up the RH for them. Low RH won't hurt them but will dry out their soil faster.

Quite the project and I wish you luck. The good kind!

 

[PootingDragon]

That BBC looks like it has got stem rot and is likely a goner but don't chuck it until it falls over and dies.

That OG Scott is weird. Never seen a seedling die like that. Looks like something attacked it.

Three pronged seedlings are fairly rare but tend to just grow like the regular ones later. More an oddity than a problem.

If you are going to be running a sealed room high RH will become a problem once the plants are big and transpiring a few gallons of water/day into the grow space. Make sure you set up the A/C so that you can capture the distilled water dripping out and re-use it. Bit of peroxide in that water to make sure any spores etc are killed and it's fine to pass thru your plants again.

For your seedlings some sort of enclosure with thin plastic around them would up the RH for them. Low RH won't hurt them but will dry out their soil faster.

Quite the project and I wish you luck. The good kind!

Thanks a lot! You're giving me some real solid info. I have a large dehumidifier that should hopefully hold it down.

I don't know how to capture the distilled water. If you can guide me in the right direction, that would b grand.

I'm really hoping nothing attacked my Scotts OG. I have a mall tent that has a spider mite infestation and have been vigilant about not bringing anything between the two spaces.

 

[OldMedUser]

The water from the A/C or dehumidifier have to go somewhere so you need to rig something up to catch the water that drips out. They are basically the same thing but I use neither in my growing so haven't had to deal with that. Lots of DIY ideas in the forums and I've done quite a bit of it for various things in my growing. Your A/C may keep the RH down on it's own.

Mites wouldn't have done that to the OG I'm pretty sure. They like eating on the leaves but some other bug may have passed by and had a bite.

 

[PootingDragon]

Lost another one today. One of the Brian Berry Coughs.

I fed my seedlings today. I skipped yesterday after fearing I was over watering and thought I could possibly be at risk of stem rot. I also lowered my lights a bit. So when I checked on them they were super dry. A few of the seedlings had some stressed looking leaves. Not sure if it was too much light or if the got too dry or a combination of both.



Let me know your thoughts of you have any.

The Brian Berry just died.? Maybe it was stem rot? I dunno but the seedling just slid right out of the plug after I noticed it wasn't growing at all. Sorry no picture for that one.

 

[PootingDragon]

1/3

All plants look good except the Blue Dream!
Can somebody possibly think of what's going on here?


Pretty much they ALL of this situation going on. None of the other plants look like this.

Any thoughts?

 

[OldMedUser]

I never worry about funky things happening to the first set of true leaves. They often do strange things.

If the newer growth comes in good and doesn't show the problem continuing then it's all good.

 

[DankBudzzz]

Looks like overwatering or lack of oxygen to roots or ph

 

[PootingDragon]

I never worry about funky things happening to the first set of true leaves. They often do strange things.

If the newer growth comes in good and doesn't show the problem continuing then it's all good.

That's comforting. Okay, great! I haven't watered since Monday and I plan on watering again tomorrow. Was going to water today but... I saw the solo cups weren't all the way dry yet. Also, I'm gonna do no nutes. I should go no nutes, right?

Looks like overwatering or lack of oxygen to roots or ph

Def not PH of lack of oxygen. PH is tight. I'm growing in coco with lots of perlight and the coco is pretty coarse. The mix is super bouncy and fluffy. I was actually worried that it wasn't retaining enough water.

 

[PootingDragon]

Looks like overwatering or lack of oxygen to roots or ph

Now in the beginning I was watering everyday... so I'm thinking that could have been an issue... but as of now I haven't watered since Monday.

 

[OldMedUser]

Now in the beginning I was watering everyday... so I'm thinking that could have been an issue... but as of now I haven't watered since Monday.

Daily watering is bad unless they are dry just like larger plants. Even those little ones likely have a tap root near or at the bottom of the cups so if the top is dry an inch or so down they are still finding water. With those pots made out of compressed peat moss they can sometimes dry out in a day but most people stay away from them as they suck.

Don't spray your seedlings either as that can wash out Ca from the leaves and cause issues with mildew as well.

If there is no nutes in your mix then a 1/8th strength feeding is warranted. In potting soil or something with nutes naturally then don't feed anything for a while and even not until the bottom leaves start to yellow.

 

[PootingDragon]

Daily watering is bad unless they are dry just like larger plants. Even those little ones likely have a tap root near or at the bottom of the cups so if the top is dry an inch or so down they are still finding water. With those pots made out of compressed peat moss they can sometimes dry out in a day but most people stay away from them as they suck.

Don't spray your seedlings either as that can wash out Ca from the leaves and cause issues with mildew as well.

If there is no nutes in your mix then a 1/8th strength feeding is warranted. In potting soil or something with nutes naturally then don't feed anything for a while and even not until the bottom leaves start to yellow.

I'm gonna follow your advice on feeding as well. I just dumped a batch of nutes because someone said not to feed at all for the first few weeks and I read so many conflicting information weather to feed for the first few weeks or not.

I've always fed the first few weeks but I'm not the most experienced grower so I still listen. When I saw those leaves with the brown spots on the Blue Dream I feared it was bite burn so I decided to go with no nutes. I'm gonna get back to the 1/8th feeding like I've been doing b4. Especially since the other seedlings all look pretty ok.

Thanks as always.

 

[OldMedUser]

Good advice not to feed in rich soils but with soilless mixes they don't have anything to eat unless you put something in there. Feed once then not again for a few waterings or you will build up a high level of nutes as a tiny plant can only eat a tiny bit.

They should be fine if you do the light feed you usually do.

 

[PootingDragon]

1/13

I'm seeing lots of growth. I'm losing another 3 seeds. They have stunted, turning yellow, etc...

They all seem to be doing really well, except for the Scott's OG, who's leaves are wilting. The GDP is growing really slow and looks really strange. Pictures to come later.

I'm having a HUGE problem with heat.

I switched on the other 4 lamps on both of my 4ft x 8tube fluorescents and my temps are reaching 95 degrees. I have a huge exhaust fan, exhausting the heat but it's not really helping. I wanted to turn on my co2 generator but with the heat already so high, I fear it's really going to bake. I'm wondering if I should turn off some of the lights, so I'm back to two 4ft x 4tubes to reduce some of the heat coming out of there? But I really wanted that intensity from the lights.

@OldMedUser what u think? @NaturalFarmer

At this point I'm wondering if it's time to transfer into 3 gal fabric pots.

 

[OldMedUser]

I scrolled back up to refresh my memory and you've got quite a few plants planned for this space and with heat issues already it's only going to get worse. I would say that it's an issue better dealt with sooner than later.

If that last picture is the size of most of your plants I'd say they should go into bigger pots real soon. Are the 3gal the only ones you have to go bigger? I like to take a few steps before they go into their final size but it's fine to go into the 3gal from those. I was thinking more along the line of with smaller pots the plants can be grouped together closer and fit under less lights until the the heat situation is resolved. 1gal ones would be a good step up and if you got taller square ones like the nurseries put small bushes like roses in you could fit a lot of them in a small area.

Is the A/C up and running yet? The plants are too small yet to really benefit from extra CO2 and with a gas generator that's just more heat.

Larger containers are going to be better for them and you too. At least you'll be able to go a few days between watering for a while.

 

[PootingDragon]

I scrolled back up to refresh my memory and you've got quite a few plants planned for this space and with heat issues already it's only going to get worse. I would say that it's an issue better dealt with sooner than later.

If that last picture is the size of most of your plants I'd say they should go into bigger pots real soon. Are the 3gal the only ones you have to go bigger? I like to take a few steps before they go into their final size but it's fine to go into the 3gal from those. I was thinking more along the line of with smaller pots the plants can be grouped together closer and fit under less lights until the the heat situation is resolved. 1gal ones would be a good step up and if you got taller square ones like the nurseries put small bushes like roses in you could fit a lot of them in a small area.

Is the A/C up and running yet? The plants are too small yet to really benefit from extra CO2 and with a gas generator that's just more heat.

Larger containers are going to be better for them and you too. At least you'll be able to go a few days between watering for a while.

Yeah, most of them are that size, some a little bigger, a few a tad smaller.

I have another 4x4 tray with two more 4x8 T5's right behind it. I was going to turn those on once I transplanted into bigger pots. But I'm afraid now, more lights, more heat.

The AC is not up and running yet. I was hoping to wait until the spring months to crank that up, $$$$.

The 3 gal are the only ones I have. They are fabric pots.

Are you thinking I should transplant today?

Do you think I'd be ok with less light. As in, maybe I should turn off half the bulbs of my t5 unit?

 

[Final Phase]

Checked your thread out because I tried an attic grow 35 years ago with just a couple 4 foot grow lights.

Your setup is looking great for an attic. Have fun - I betting you make it to the finish line!

 

[PootingDragon]

Checked your thread out because I tried an attic grow 35 years ago with just a couple 4 foot grow lights.

Your setup is looking great for an attic. Have fun - I betting you make it to the finish line!

Thanks, man!

How did yours turn out?