the 2020 democratic candidate (and VP)

[UncleBuck]

His Chumpness will give us the best chance of our lifetime. We must not squander it or allow it to be diluted into mediocrity by the establishment 'left'.

I think creating a radical left movement could be the necessary catalyst.

It worked for the Tea Party crowd...

not really, they managed to get 46% of the vote. dukakis territory.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Trump ran on rolling back Obama's progress. How do you square that with what you said?

Obama didn't get enough done when he had the chance according to the consensus.. I supported him. I thought he didn't do enough. Did you think he did enough? Not prosecuting those responsible for the crash? Prosecuting whistleblowers instead? Manning, Snowden, NSA surveillance, torture, etc.

 

[Fogdog]

Obama didn't get enough done when he had the chance according to the consensus.. I supported him. I thought he didn't do enough. Did you think he did enough? Not prosecuting those responsible for the crash? Prosecuting whistleblowers instead? Manning, Snowden, NSA surveillance, torture, etc.

I've said over and over I'd prefer that he had gotten more done. If you listen (ahem, listen) to him he says the same. You listed what you wanted done. Didn't happen. Doesn't mean he didn't make progress. I repeat: the voters of most states in this country installed radical right congressmen that ran against everything Obama tried to accomplish. How does that square with your idea that the radical right were put in power because Obama didn't do enough?

Anyway, here's a vid you might be interested in:

and a link to an interesting article:
http://occupywallst.org/tag/The End of Protest/

 

[twostrokenut]

You should stop worrying about me and focus on yourself. You've been a member here 2 months, and you already have 1,700 posts... 1,600 of which are caressing bucks nut-sack. You're 36, and instead of trying to get laid or do something productive you waste your time here playing lap dog.

Aren't you embarrassed for yourself?

Look at it simply. The account was created a couple months before the election when Buck was betting his account on the election results. The account name is Just in Case (he lost).

 

[twostrokenut]

I feel bernie would have one if they would have let him win the democratic nomination. Hell all the polls they took before the democratic nomination showed it too. I voted democratic down the line on my ticket, except for Hillary. Benghazi, Emails, ..... Just couldn't be a supporter of her. I hope Bernie makes it to the next ticket. I went with Johnson

Yes let's do continue this trend. I believe it was @Fogdog that says Libertarians are just former Bernie supporters or something of the like?

Ahem, too funny that.

 

[twostrokenut]

She also won the popular vote by an ever increasing margin.

The democratically nominated Democrat candidate won the popular vote by a huge margin.

Keep cheering the collapse of the People's will entirely.

All the popular votes you champion came from LA county. Remove LA's popular votes and the state still went to Shillary........ Why do you consider one county as The People? Are you attempting to eliminate state boundaries unknowingly? You are.

 

[UncleBuck]

All the popular votes you champion came from LA county. Remove LA's popular votes and the state still went to Shillary........ Why do you consider one county as The People? Are you attempting to eliminate state boundaries unknowingly? You are.

ya see that big ass block in the upper left? the biggest one on the diagram? that's los angeles county in terms of GDP.

ya wanna know the real reason why the small states shouldn't get to tell LA and NYC what to do?

appomattox.

 

[Justin-case]

Look at it simply. The account was created a couple months before the election when Buck was betting his account on the election results. The account name is Just in Case (he lost).

Oh, you poor little simpleton

 

[Fogdog]

Yes let's do continue this trend. I believe it was @Fogdog that says Libertarians are just former Bernie supporters or something of the like?

Ahem, too funny that.

Nice shot, pretty good for a trailer hermit. Not even close though. Look it up if you like. Libertarians are servants of the radical right..

 

[twostrokenut]

ya see that big ass block in the upper left? the biggest one on the diagram? that's los angeles county in terms of GDP.

ya wanna know the real reason why the small states shouldn't get to tell LA and NYC what to do?

appomattox.

Unless that's per capita then your point is moot as usual.

 

[ttystikk]

Unless that's per capita then your point is moot as usual.

Not true, but since you brought it up, notice the economic output of red counties vs blue ones.

I guess there's a lot of 'lazy' Republicans, who need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. You know, those who weren't born with a trust fund and haven't done an honest day's work in their whole lives.

 

[twostrokenut]

Not true, but since you brought it up, notice the economic output of red counties vs blue ones.

I guess there's a lot of 'lazy' Republicans, who need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. You know, those who weren't born with a trust fund and haven't done an honest day's work in their whole lives.

That's what I was looking at, per capita GSP. This makes some interesting anomalies. Lot's of lazy Republicans? Sure, I agree with that.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

No, but most of them aren't, and all of them are out of touch with working class Americans. Also, that just looks bad. If you're trying to run on the platform "party for the people", which the Democratic party has traditionally targeted, middle-class people don't believe you or take you seriously when you put someone like Cuban at the front of the line.

I'd rather the leader of the Democratic party emerged as an actual progressive who can identify with his constituents

Then why middle class people vote for ultra rich 1% Trump in 3 key states?

I support the most liberal candidate who has an actual chance to win. There's a fine line between your idea of an 'actual progressive' and an 'establishment Democrat'.

Virtually any Democrat will work harder for the middle class and the poor. Until you can accept that, you're helping the other side. You can't tell me that Clinton wouldn't have helped the progressive cause more than Trump. You simply can't have everything you want. Count the house and senate seats. Review the sitting SCOTUS. If you really want to move in a progressive direction, you sometimes have to compromise.

And that's from someone who has been studying elections since 1964, and has 5-7 lifetime record voting in presidential elections. 7 times out of 12 the less progressive candidate (Republican) won. And there's also the very strong shift to the right since 1980 to deal with, and the current severe political polarization.

You can cherry pick your best selection for a progressive candidate. After that, they have to win. After that, they have to pass their agenda through the house and senate.

Tell the truth, if Bernie had just won the presidential election, how much of his agenda would get through congress in your opinion? I supported Sanders in the primary on fundamental liberal principle. But I knew he would get nothing but obstruction if he won.

Realistically speaking, some of your ideas are likely 20 years into the future, and then only if they are informed voters in the future who don't buy into fake news. I certainly wish you luck, but the right is pretty fucking sneaky. Expect a lifelong struggle with political set backs. That's what I've experienced. A 5-7 presidential voting record sucks. (It was 7-5 in direct popular vote which sucks even more.)

 

[ArcticGranite]

Go with Warren/Ellison. Put it out there loud and proud. Just see how far left and how fast this nation wants to progress.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Just see how far left and how fast this nation wants to progress.

And that will be largely determined by how much Trump is hated over the next 4 years. Any Democrat could win in 2020 if Trump doesn't respect the office.

 

[ttystikk]

Then why middle class people vote for ultra rich 1% Trump in 3 key states?

I support the most liberal candidate who has an actual chance to win. There's a fine line between your idea of an 'actual progressive' and an 'establishment Democrat'.

Virtually any Democrat will work harder for the middle class and the poor. Until you can accept that, you're helping the other side. You can't tell me that Clinton wouldn't have helped the progressive cause more than Trump. You simply can't have everything you want. Count the house and senate seats. Review the sitting SCOTUS. If you really want to move in a progressive direction, you sometimes have to compromise.

And that's from someone who has been studying elections since 1964, and has 5-7 lifetime record voting in presidential elections. 7 times out of 12 the less progressive candidate (Republican) won. And there's also the very strong shift to the right since 1980 to deal with, and the current severe political polarization.

You can cherry pick your best selection for a progressive candidate. After that, they have to win. After that, they have to pass their agenda through the house and senate.

Tell the truth, if Bernie had just won the presidential election, how much of his agenda would get through congress in your opinion? I supported Sanders in the primary on fundamental liberal principle. But I knew he would get nothing but obstruction if he won.

Realistically speaking, some of your ideas are likely 20 years into the future, and then only if they are informed voters in the future who don't buy into fake news. I certainly wish you luck, but the right is pretty fucking sneaky. Expect a lifelong struggle with political set backs. That's what I've experienced. A 5-7 presidential voting record sucks. (It was 7-5 in direct popular vote which sucks even more.)

The democratic party has been particularly bad in local and state elections, which tells me they're even more out of touch with the desires of the electorate than they think they are.

The Chump will polarize this country and I firmly believe he'll represent the end of the pendulum swing to the right that we've been witness to since 1980.

It remains to be seen how long it will take for the democratic party to realize who its constituents are, effectively make a case to gain their votes and take back state legislatures, mayorships, governor's offices and local and county commissioners.

My bet is that as long as they're seen to be just as corrupt in taking bribes from corporatism and the rich, they'll have a very tough time. After all, Mr Sanders proved they can do it without such blandishments from the economic elite.

 

[666888]

Never vote for a socialist, they will get you in debt and fuck your country
To late for you blokes I suppose
20 trillion dollars to late

 

[Fogdog]

Never vote for a socialist, they will get you in debt and fuck your country
To late for you blokes I suppose
20 trillion dollars to late

Republicans are worse. Clinton balanced the budget. Actually ran a surplus for a year or two. Bush II balooned the debt and Obama reduced the deficit his last years in office. Trump's plans to cut taxes and raise spending is going to make Bush II look like a spendthrift.

Where do you get your information? Limbaugh?

 

[SneekyNinja]

Never vote for a socialist, they will get you in debt and fuck your country
To late for you blokes I suppose
20 trillion dollars to late

Lol, when it's at 29 trillion after Trump's first term you'll be saying how important it was to increase the debt ceiling because you're a dumb fucking Republi-cuck.

Let's face it, Obama wasn't allowed spend money to fix the economy (after Bush) because he's black, when it's a white guy who wants to go mad (for the sake of it) with the credit card it's a-OK.

 

[666888]

Who runs the socialists
The same stnuc that run the republicans
As long as your central bank is happy
No one cares which figure head runs the show