thenotsoesoteric
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That bud looks similar to my 5th element bud in my first post. Cheers man looks killer.
LED and HID bud shots
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mauricem00
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looking at grows on youtube and here I don't see much difference between grow lights. growers skill seem to have a much greater impact on outcomes. we each have different growing environments so what works for one person may not be the best option for someone else. when someone claims their lights are the only way to grow I just assume it's out of ignorance.What up rollitup
This thread will most likely turn to the dark side but I would like to keep it chill and adult like. All I know is when I go to any led growers journal or thread it always turns into a pissing match over the "best light" bull crap. Also noticed cob growers saying that hid buds aren't as dense or frosty. Well I personally haven't seen that to be the case. As many things, I've noticed it is all about the grower and their ability. I personally see led/cob lightning as the next progression in lightning but also believe the low cost and return on investment from hid exceed led at the moment. I'm not sold on a lot of the claims from led growers I've seen here on the forum though.
That being said, all this thread is for is bud shots or plants in full flower. It is just a showcase and not meant to prove anything other than people are growing good shit out there with what ever light they can get their hands on.
So let's see some bud porn and let us know what lightning system you used, watts spectrum bulb etc... Cheers and happy growing.
Here's a few from the stash.
buddha's dream sin city, 600hps, ushio lamp, over 1 year cure
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hso blue dream, 400w hps, solistek ballast/lamp, less two month cure
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dna sour kosher, solistek 400w hps, same cure as BD
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fifth element elemental seeds, solist tek 400w hps, same cure as above
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Cheers and show me what you got.
MeGaKiLlErMaN
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What cob was that?
nevergoodenuf
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Luna 300 broadcasting COB.
mauricem00
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has anyone tried one of these. https://www.amazon.com/MAXSISUN-Dimmable-12-band-Spectrum-Greenhouse/dp/B01N45HUOJ/ref=cm_wl_huc_item. looks like a poor boys version of the platinum LED grow light. same 12 bands, same high bin epiled/ bridgelux diodes. dimmable drivers.just a lot less expensive. there is still disagreement between white COB and multi-band LED users.the makers of expensive LED grow lights like platinum claim that plant can only use 40% of the light produced by white diodes. comparing grows here and on you tube I don't see a difference.the multiband are less effiecient but provide a fuller. more balanced spectrum. have already tried COBs ( cree 3070, vero 1
and went back to T5s. curious about LEDs but all the false claims and exaggeration about them as well as the ongoing debate about the best spectrum makes an informed decision impossible. the only thing I can do is try different options when I get a little extra money and find out for myself if they can compete with more conventional grow lights.
and went back to T5s. curious about LEDs but all the false claims and exaggeration about them as well as the ongoing debate about the best spectrum makes an informed decision impossible. the only thing I can do is try different options when I get a little extra money and find out for myself if they can compete with more conventional grow lights.
MichiganMedGrower
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May I ask why you went back to t-5's from the cobs?has anyone tried one of these. https://www.amazon.com/MAXSISUN-Dimmable-12-band-Spectrum-Greenhouse/dp/B01N45HUOJ/ref=cm_wl_huc_item. looks like a poor boys version of the platinum LED grow light. same 12 bands, same high bin epiled/ bridgelux diodes. dimmable drivers.just a lot less expensive. there is still disagreement between white COB and multi-band LED users.the makers of expensive LED grow lights like platinum claim that plant can only use 40% of the light produced by white diodes. comparing grows here and on you tube I don't see a difference.the multiband are less effiecient but provide a fuller. more balanced spectrum. have already tried COBs ( cree 3070, vero 1
mauricem00
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yield was about the same with cobs for the same input power but taste and potency was better with T5s I started growing for my SO who has cancer and then started using it myself as my arthritis got worse. as PU MMJ grower taste is very important to me and my SO preferred the taste of T5 grown meds as well.IF cobs are out performing HPS than it's because of improved spectrum. and I can get an even better spectrum with T5s. CMH would also be and option if heat were not an issue.many commercial growers up here are switching to CMH bulbs and their product taste better than the LED grown meds that one dispensary up here sells. this is just my personal experience.but why pay $500 for a grow light that can't outperform a $100 grow light.
MichiganMedGrower
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Thank you. This is my opinion and findings as well. I added a CMH to my 2 HPS flower room and rotate the plants so they get a better share of the spectrum and finish under the cmh.
More aroma, flavor and most of all not just potency but a better quality high overall. We too seriously need our meds. And love them.
My girlfriend was just confirmed to have shrinking cysts. The only change is I can grow better product than before and she can make better coconut oil.
We take it regularly. I also have some serious health issues and they are at least partly subsided by my flowers. But smoking pot may have curbed much more serious issues in me. I should be dead but healed instead. I have smoked since the early 80's. And was born very early with hidden issues.
But I believe a well designed and built led with a bit of uv could do the same. And will for a price I am sure. Eventually we will not have light bulbs. Just like cassette tapes. It will be frustrating at first.
Crap! I just realized all of my old guitar music is recorded on cassette. Lol.
Yodaweed
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The light plays a very small roll in terp production, it's mostly based on how you feed your plant , i get some of the most flavorful weed around growing under 20$ el cheapo bulbs in a 600w hps , i'd put my buds against anyone under any setup , no matter how much they got to spend. Money doesn't grow weed there's plenty of million dollar setups near me that can't even hold a candle to my buds. As long as PAR levels are optimal the source of that PAR doesn't make a huge difference. Ive grown top quality under damn near every light source, T5's, CFL's , HID(used both a MH, and HPS to grow the same cut the flavors were exactly the same) , blurple LEDs, COB leds , now using CMH lights.
MichiganMedGrower
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I fully believed what you just said up until recently. The environment and nutrients being ideal is the most important part. I had no complaints before I added more full spectrum to my flower room.
But the same strains are now doing everything I said above. And the university of Utah has already proven it before this thread.
50/50 blue to red and uv is proven to have better results. More terpenes and more cannabanoids tested plenty.
But yes you will notice grower skill and environment over a light difference. Unless the skilled grower got a new light that filled in the missing spectrums.
mauricem00
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nasa test have show that green light is also important. this is why 12 band LEDs include white diodes.but each type of light does require a unique growing styleI fully believed what you just said up until recently. The environment and nutrients being ideal is the most important part. I had no complaints before I added more full spectrum to my flower room.
But the same strains are now doing everything I said above. And the university of Utah has already proven it before this thread.
50/50 blue to red and uv is proven to have better results. More terpenes and more cannabanoids tested plenty.
But yes you will notice grower skill and environment over a light difference. Unless the skilled grower got a new light that filled in the missing spectrums.
Yodaweed
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I don't agree, if i produce 10/10 bud every run, how can i improve? To me i just need to focus on repeating my process , i don't need more flavor, and my lights produce enough UV (i use a CMH) 50/50 red/blue isn't where it's at , those are old studies that favored blurple lights. Full spectrum is where it's at. I wish you guys were closer to me so you could smoke some of this , you'd know what i am saying then.I fully believed what you just said up until recently. The environment and nutrients being ideal is the most important part. I had no complaints before I added more full spectrum to my flower room.
But the same strains are now doing everything I said above. And the university of Utah has already proven it before this thread.
50/50 blue to red and uv is proven to have better results. More terpenes and more cannabanoids tested plenty.
But yes you will notice grower skill and environment over a light difference. Unless the skilled grower got a new light that filled in the missing spectrums.
mauricem00
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I have a small unvented closet grow so can't manage the heat from HIDs but would love to try CMH light. LED makers have given up on making horticultural lights so it will be some time before we see effiecient violet and UV LEDs and I believe broad spectrum UV and "blue" (400-500nm) plays a roll in taste and potency
Yodaweed
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Blue pushes choryphyl production (it makes your plants more green and healthy) so yes, the more blue the healthier your plant and it will make a nice tasty plant, however i grew the same cut of banana sherb under a hortilux 600w super blue metal halide, then grew it under a 600w hps with el cheapo bulbs (20$ delux) and it tasted exactly the same(it's like berries soaked in lemonade and tropical fruits)
mauricem00
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with MMJ I have been able to get off presciption drugs for my hypertension and opiate based pain meds' no more prescription drugs. I love this shit. I make E- juice for myself and wax for my SO. I can't smoke raw weed without coughing up a lung but extracts work great
mauricem00
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different strains respond differently to lights I don't question your experience with that strain bu non of us have a perfect grow and we are all trying to improve our game.
Yodaweed
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I think the light determines the yield, not the quality.
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MichiganMedGrower
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The cmh is providing a good spectrum and a little uv. That's all I said I added.
The tests are current. Cycloptics has reprints from the specific cmh testing. What they proved was adding blues only increased quality up to 50/50 blue to red.
I was only using Hortilux super HPS in flower previously. Those bulbs have about 25% blue to red and adding the fuller spectrum of the cmh has improved my results.
And I was with you until you said you can grow 10/10 every run. No one can. And my buds oil is melting my girlfriends cysts. It was confirmed this morning. But it is not always 10 out of 10. Shit happens.
Yodaweed
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Nice, i love oil, hope it's working out for you , check this solventless oil i made from my wifi
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPT0-k1jUhL/?taken-by=colorado4weed2love0
MichiganMedGrower
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Nice! I should have specified coconut oil though. We eat a bit every day. More for recreation. smoke some tokes on it and starts to feel like an acid trip. Lots of Thai in my favorite strains.