Experts Advises about this stressed plant is welcome.

VRZ711

VRZ711

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DrBlaze said:
keep the hydroten moist, the roots won't want to grow out into dry hydroten
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i will follow your advice, but again i will be growing some good genetics auto flower, so i have no other room for this one, i just want to make this count as my first grow, even tho i spent lots of time and effort on it, i will see maybe i can find a bucket for it and put it next to the new grow.

Thank you for your continues support.
 
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NapalmZen

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get rid of the top feed and toss a couple air stones in with a powerful enough air pump. keep the water levels about 1-2" from the bottom of the net pots. the agitation of the bubbles breaking the surface will be enough to keep the hydroton moist. i would then water with a 1/4 strength or 1/8th strength nute solution with a syringe. when i did mine, i watered daily with about 5 ml strait to the cube. keep your bucket at that same nute strength.
 
VRZ711

VRZ711

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NapalmZen said:
get rid of the top feed and toss a couple air stones in with a powerful enough air pump. keep the water levels about 1-2" from the bottom of the net pots. the agitation of the bubbles breaking the surface will be enough to keep the hydroton moist. i would then water with a 1/4 strength or 1/8th strength nute solution with a syringe. when i did mine, i watered daily with about 5 ml strait to the cube. keep your bucket at that same nute strength.
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i didn't cut it off completely, just made it drip so slow, guess my plant is recovering slow, but i can see some slight little improvements, i will post pics today, thank you for your help.
 
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NapalmZen

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VRZ711 said:
i will just try to balance things out, thank you for the continues support
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i wasted many seeds finding the perfect setup for starting with me equipment. it all comes down to what you have and how much you are willing to spend. there are seed starters with heating pads and lights that will make starting a breeze. if you dont have the cash, sharing your setup(knowing your lights, ventilation, etcetera) will give experienced growers the ability to give you educated advice.

as far as temps, mine are ambient to my apt. i have a good ventilation setup and COB leds that are fan cooled. as well as 2 fans cycling air in my tent at all times. i still cant get in the 60's with standalone DWC. i have had root rot once, i fixed it and switched to bennies. problem solved.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/how-i-saved-my-roots-a-bad-long-winded-story-of-newb-mistakes-and-s-y-grow-journal.930529/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/dwc-root-slime-cure-aka-how-to-breed-beneficial-microbes.361430/

"Do not use tea with h202, sm-90, Zone or any type of sterilizing product. Do not filter tea beyond 400 microns."

"Take care of impropoer res conditions FIRST. Even the tea will not save you from disease if you do not have enough oxygen or proper temperatures. Res water should be 70-75 F with bennies. Air pump should be at least 1wt per gallon. Light proof your buckets!"

one thing i want to add, is that i prep the plugs/rockwool with tap water and put then directly in the hydroton. that is the only 100% successful method i have tried. 2 for 2


EDIT: Using the GH three part nutrients, i premixed in a 15 gallon tub and added a half cup of H2O2 and it destroyed the nutrients. they turned from a reddish brown(the natural color) to a foggy white. i also immediately noticed problems with the leaves(several deficiencies) after using it top off my DWC. STAY AWAY FROM PEROXIDE!!
 
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VRZ711

VRZ711

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Rest in peace seems that Subculture is the easiest way to kill your plans based on my experience, thank you guys for all your support.

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VRZ711

VRZ711

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NapalmZen said:
Do me a favor, post a couple pics with steps of your methods used so far.
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this plant was transplanted from to DWC in a Rockwool, and the roots didnt manage to grow even when using subculture B and M.

the problem i had with subculture is that PH keeps Going up and down and the black buildup on roots, pump and airstones. today i have cleaned the whole grow box using Clorox the belching solution.

i have 4 seeds i will chose 3 out of them to grow in my DWC 3 bucket system 3 of the 4 seeds have sprouted today , also i have ordered recharge, hope it will be better that the subculture, as i have been reading that subculture is better in soil than hydro,even tho on the pack it says u can use in hydro.

so i will keep my seedlings in the rockwool under the dome and light till the supercharge comes, i have res temps of 77 as a normal range, i place frozen water bottles 3 times a day to keep the temps around 64 thats why i need something to prevent root rot.
 
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NapalmZen

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VRZ711 said:
this plant was transplanted from to DWC in a Rockwool, and the roots didnt manage to grow even when using subculture B and M.

the problem i had with subculture is that PH keeps Going up and down and the black buildup on roots, pump and airstones. today i have cleaned the whole grow box using Clorox the belching solution.

i have 4 seeds i will chose 3 out of them to grow in my DWC 3 bucket system 3 of the 4 seeds have sprouted today , also i have ordered recharge, hope it will be better that the subculture, as i have been reading that subculture is better in soil than hydro,even tho on the pack it says u can use in hydro.

so i will keep my seedlings in the rockwool under the dome and light till the supercharge comes, i have res temps of 77 as a normal range, i place frozen water bottles 3 times a day to keep the temps around 64 thats why i need something to prevent root rot.
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You don't need any of it. It acts as a buffer and if you were using the tea recipe I suggested, you have either another infection, or are using a combination of too much or using it too early.

Did you apply Subculture directly to the plant?
 
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NapalmZen

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VRZ711 said:
first of all i have used subcuter directly to the reservoir when i didnt like the results(after 6 days) i added just a mist on the rockwool.
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First, the rockwool should not be soaking. It should be damp for seedlings. Top water with tap until the roots have grown out of the rockwool. Then place in your hydroton

Do not submerge your rockwool.

I will again suggest bubbleponics as it is less likely to be problematic than your topfeed.

Use 1/4 strength nutes in the rez. .3 to .4 EC or around 200 ppm. do not add anything else until the plant has roots in the dwc. Once your root ball starts forming, you can start adding other things like subculture.

The problem is that you are drowning your plants then directly coating said sick plants with fungus and mold. On top of whatever else you are adding too early.

If you want rapid early growth and strong roots, try some rapid start by General hydroponics in your base dwc solution.
 
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NapalmZen

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You need to get your water control down first. All I have seen in pics of your system is stuff soaking. If I did that to my large plants today, they would be dead in a week. You should see dryness in the rockwool before adding ANY liquids.
 
VRZ711

VRZ711

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NapalmZen said:
First, the rockwool should not be soaking. It should be damp for seedlings. Top water with tap until late the roots have grown out of the rockwool. Then place in your hydroton

Do not submerge your rockwool.

I will again suggest bubbleponics as it is less likely to be problematic than your topfeed.

Use 1/4 strength nutes in the rez. .3 to .4 EC or around 200 ppm. do not add anything else until the plant has roots in the dwc. Once your root ball starts forming, you can start adding other things like subculture.

The problem is that you are drowning your plants then directly coating said sick plants with fungus and mold. On top of whatever else you are adding too early.

If you want rapid early growth and strong roots, try some rapid start by General hydroponics in your base dwc solution.
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thank you so much for your continues support, that plant died as it was transplanted in soil and had many shit going on, i will follow your instructions 1 by 1 hopefully to get things started perfectly, thank you again for your support
 
TheWizZ

TheWizZ

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VRZ711 said:
thank you so much for your continues support, that plant died as it was transplanted in soil and had many shit going on, i will follow your instructions 1 by 1 hopefully to get things started perfectly, thank you again for your support
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Hate to see this man... Mine are thankfully bouncing back. It was definitely over watering with the top feed and in my case I needed to add some nutes.
 
TheWizZ

TheWizZ

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pinner420 said:
I respectfully disagree with turning top feed off. Run it 24...
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I just had the same issue as him and I have plenty of air being pumped into the res. The only way top feeding will work in my eyes is with a halo or just letting it run constant into the hydroton and not directly into the rock wool.
 
pinner420

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TheWizZ said:
I just had the same issue as him and I have plenty of air being pumped into the res. The only way top feeding will work in my eyes is with a halo or just letting it run constant into the hydroton and not directly into the rock wool.
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Yes a halo is key. Dissolved oxygen wilst an extensive topic is completely covered with rapid movement of solution via the waterfall effect. One can unplug the air pump and be fine as well. Placement of the air pump is critical as well as it has multiple effects.
1. If in the same room your pumping heat into the solution.
2. If to much air the agitation of the roots causes an additional stress.
3. I like to pump mine into the brain bucket. However I use an awol 95% o2 Gen. 1on 4 off.
Run your ec at .5 until vigorous growth is noticed then pop it up to 1.0. I would add some kelp extract of your choosing until the rehab is complete.
 
TheWizZ

TheWizZ

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pinner420 said:
Yes a halo is key. Dissolved oxygen wilst an extensive topic is completely covered with rapid movement of solution via the waterfall effect. One can unplug the air pump and be fine as well. Placement of the air pump is critical as well as it has multiple effects.
1. If in the same room your pumping heat into the solution.
2. If to much air the agitation of the roots causes an additional stress.
3. I like to pump mine into the brain bucket. However I use an awol 95% o2 Gen. 1on 4 off.
Run your ec at .5 until vigorous growth is noticed then pop it up to 1.0. I would add some kelp extract of your choosing until the rehab is complete.
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I guess after my issues I've just found I like to manually top feed and it gives me a chance to check on them. My air pumps sit right in front of my tents intake so it gets the coolest air available. I have 2 air pumps and 3 12" stones and i don't think it's over kill at all. I'm personally seeing good new growth and have been taking advice from Dr blaze who has steered my in the right direction so far so I'm going to keep going the direction in heading for now but appreciate the input.
 
VRZ711

VRZ711

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TheWizZ said:
Hate to see this man... Mine are thankfully bouncing back. It was definitely over watering with the top feed and in my case I needed to add some nutes.
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im starting new growth check out the new thread, ill be posting pics soon.

pinner420 said:
Yes a halo is key. Dissolved oxygen wilst an extensive topic is completely covered with rapid movement of solution via the waterfall effect. One can unplug the air pump and be fine as well. Placement of the air pump is critical as well as it has multiple effects.
1. If in the same room your pumping heat into the solution.
2. If to much air the agitation of the roots causes an additional stress.
3. I like to pump mine into the brain bucket. However I use an awol 95% o2 Gen. 1on 4 off.
Run your ec at .5 until vigorous growth is noticed then pop it up to 1.0. I would add some kelp extract of your choosing until the rehab is complete.
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I have done exactly what you have said, and my plant died and his plant is still living so i decided in my case to stop the top feed, and submerge the net pots 0.5 inch into the nutes, then add the pebbles then the rockwool plug, maybe this will work in my case, what do you think ?
 
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