Defoliation

NanoGadget

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I agree wholeheartedly that unnecessarily removing leaves is counter productive, but I feel like there are techniques that involve removal of leaves that seem to work well.. lollypopping for scrog is an example. I am growing a plant currently that is so bushy and squat that I have entire layers of vegetative growth that are receiving no light at all and are suffering because of it. I've employed LST as much as the plant will allow, but many of the branches are so thick and short that it just isn't feasible. What would you guys recommend in my case? Let the growth that is receiving no light wilt and stagnate, or do some pruning?
 

HarveyHarvester

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I agree wholeheartedly that unnecessarily removing leaves is counter productive, but I feel like there are techniques that involve removal of leaves that seem to work well.. lollypopping for scrog is an example. I am growing a plant currently that is so bushy and squat that I have entire layers of vegetative growth that are receiving no light at all and are suffering because of it. I've employed LST as much as the plant will allow, but many of the branches are so thick and short that it just isn't feasible. What would you guys recommend in my case? Let the growth that is receiving no light wilt and stagnate, or do some pruning?
can we see it?
 

HarveyHarvester

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I have been removing 4 to 6 leaves each watering or sooner if they are blocking light to upper budsites at or above the screen.
She won't mind if you remove a few leaves here and there. I just would not remove too many at once to prevent stress.
If you don't think they will make it, are yellowing or sick looking, or as i said... blocking upper bud sites, i would start removing them. they are wasting resources, especially the lower ones under the canopy. The upper 2 or 3 sets are the ones doing most of the work i think.
 

NanoGadget

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Sorry for the burple lighting, its too dark outside the tent right now to get a good pic. But you get the idea. Like I said, there are entire layers under there that are getting zero light. Just curious what everyone recommends. Again, not talking defoliation here.. I'd never do that to my plants. I've just never had one grow this dense. The node stacking is insane.
 

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NanoGadget

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U haven't done no lsd
I sure have. I just started too late. There are 4 outer branches that are being held down with sunleaves soft tie. Waiting for my four tops to get a little distance from the rest of the canopy and I'm going to spread those out some as well.
 

NanoGadget

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But yeah... I waited way too long to start trying to train her.. that's on me and I've learned my lesson with this strain. But I am still curios if any of you think that pruning some of the undergrowth that is basically wilting anyway would be a productive thing to do. I'm going to take her another week or two in veg before I flip her to 12/12 and if I'm going to do any pruning I want to do it now so she has recovery time before I send her to flower.
 

NanoGadget

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Also, to the OP, sorry for hijacking your thread.. I honestly just thought it was a good platform for discussion on the topic.
 

NanoGadget

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I plan on only taking wilting leaves that are receiving no light. I just honestly have never had a plant that grew like this. She is only about 14 inches tall, her main stem is as big around as a C cell battery and she has fan leaves that are 10 inches wide tip to tip. I've grown bushy strains before but this is ridiculous. Lol
 

NanoGadget

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Trolls no need for negativity yall
Here is some positivity.. your plant looks great! I wouldn't cut anything of of that. But don't make the mistake I made.. it looks like she'll get bushy as she gets bigger so if you plan on any LST or topping, don't wait until she is a bushy fat stemmed thing to start doing it. That's what I did and mine is kind of a pain in the ass to deal with.. lol.
 

Garrett Richardson

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I believe i would leave it alone also.
I thought you were flowering.
No mo.1 day 2 of veg, I guess I was told wrong thanks
Here is some positivity.. your plant looks great! I wouldn't cut anything of of that. But don't make the mistake I made.. it looks like she'll get bushy as she gets bigger so if you plan on any LST or topping, don't wait until she is a bushy fat stemmed thing to start doing it. That's what I did and mine is kind of a pain in the ass to deal with.. lol.
I have already made my first top, new growth is booming since nute feedings
 

Garrett Richardson

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I agree wholeheartedly that unnecessarily removing leaves is counter productive, but I feel like there are techniques that involve removal of leaves that seem to work well.. lollypopping for scrog is an example. I am growing a plant currently that is so bushy and squat that I have entire layers of vegetative growth that are receiving no light at all and are suffering because of it. I've employed LST as much as the plant will allow, but many of the branches are so thick and short that it just isn't feasible. What would you guys recommend in my case? Let the growth that is receiving no light wilt and stagnate, or do some pruning?
My exact situation bottom growth is saggy and looks in an overwatered condition
 

AimAim

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Anyone who understands the most basic principles of botany knows about translocation. Translocation, try to get a grip on the concept.

http://www.biologyreference.com/Ta-Va/Translocation.html

There is NO need for "light to hit the budsites".

Just grow a lush, even, green canopy. If lower leaves start to yellow leave them be. The plant is sucking nutrients out of those leaves. Way better than any fert you can provide. These are nutrients it has already expended energy assimilating, already on board.
 
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