tangerinegreen555
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Trump claims to 'know more than the generals, folks'.
That would be the core of the problem. Bannon's opinion comes 1st, not the generals.
Trump's first military raid: "Almost everything went wrong". 2 Americans dead
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That would be the core of the problem. Bannon's opinion comes 1st, not the generals.
Ace Yonder
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Honestly I think it's only a matter of time til Jared Kushner gets Bannon purged the same way he did with Chris Christie.
tangerinegreen555
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I don't know about that. This regime staggers about in mysterious ways.
Ace Yonder
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We'll see. I have a feeling that Bannon doesn't take Jared seriously, and I think that Jared's ego can't handle that. This will lead to a confrontation, and neither of them are people who play fair, but I think Bannon will lose because he underestimates Jared. Bannon may have the experience but he is nowhere near as smart, and he is much more dispensable on a personal level. Bannon can turn the whole cabinet against Jared and still lose the war when Jared turns the whole Trump family against Bannon, which is something he could do with relatively little effort. Manipulating Trump is a game he has mastered.
ttystikk
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Wow. What pretzeled asshole did you pull that 'logic' out of?
Can't say bad to the president cuz flags and stuff!
No he got someone killed for nothing.
Scratch that. 14 people, because the non combatants on the ground paid just as high a price, whether they were Americans or not. And they matter just as much.
Why don't flag waving pall bearers ever seem to get that?
Chunky Stool
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I got 34 minutes into this before concluding that it's just more partisan bullshit.
How many times did that dumb bitch say Trump was smart?
How many times did she say Trump surrounds himself with "quality people"?
The person who has been brainwashed is you.
Growgettah
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UncleBuck, I respect you and your right to have an opinion, even if it is willfully ignorant in this case. You at least ask the right questions, in that respect you are just like Steve Bannon, and unfortunately, just like him your conclusions are often way outside the 10 ring.
On a side note, why mention Jared's age, job or father? Is Jared responsible for his fathers decisions or is each responsible for his own actions? You could have just left it at Jared Kushner, but chose age discrimination and his former job to profile him into the category you want.
I respectfully say to you, you were not there, you have no idea what was or was not recovered, for that matter neither was I, which is why I said "do not say it was a failure" just as I have not said it was a success. I said "do not dishonor his memory by calling it a failure". Each of us has his or her own opinions of what success is based on what "we" believe and our placement of value on what was or was not recovered. The only opinion of success or failure that really matters is that of the members of the "Team" that went in and made it out. They are the only ones that can make any "real" determination of success based on the mission and its results. We (all of us) will never have all the facts due to the classified nature of the mission. .
You have no idea what I say about the President, very assumptive on your part and I do not associate Duty, Honor, and Code with nothing. The only people who can determine whether the mission was for something or nothing are the other members of the "Team". Until we hear from them and their opinion, being the only ones who have actual factual knowledge, saying that the mission was a failure dishonors this young mans' sacrifice. Why not say instead "in my opinion it was a failure"? Then all who read "your opinion" will know that you are basing what you are saying on the facts you have? There are always 3 truths to any situation, one sides truth, the other sides truth, and the real truth. The only people who know the real truth are the ones who were there. Without knowing the real truth you dishonor his memory by saying the mission was a failure. I have not said the mission was a success because, I do not know the real truth either. I asked that we not dishonor this young mans' service or sacrifice by calling it a failure without knowing what really happened.
To assume that I think that the other people who lost their lives do not matter and that ANY loss of life is not indeed a tragedy is frankly offensive. To try and profile me into some category that does not place value on all life through the use of inferred bigotry is a cheap shot to delegitimize the real questions everyone should be asking.
How and why was an 8yr old American Citizen in a fortified terrorist base in Yemen? Who are her Parents or Guardians that thought it was a good idea to be in that fortified terrorist base in Yemen and take her with them? These are the "real" questions.
Of course, from previous posts I have read from you two, in my opinion, you will not be able to understand what that really means or chose to willfully disregard the obvious answers. Either way, I know what's coming next. I have read Rules for Radicals as well. Pimping is easy.
“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
“If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
PCXV
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@Growgettah
So you would rather purposefully ignore the background of Bannon and Kushner? Context matters, and the context is that Trump had these two fascist crooks calling the shots.
So how do you feel about Benghazi? See, these same dumb fucks that are claiming success now ran 8 congressional investigations on Benghazi for 6 years wasting tons of time and money that could have been spent on other things. They obstructed and manufactured controversy for 8 years to prevent any success during Obama's administration so that later they could point the finger. Their partisan political bullshit is what we are calling out.
So you would rather purposefully ignore the background of Bannon and Kushner? Context matters, and the context is that Trump had these two fascist crooks calling the shots.
So how do you feel about Benghazi? See, these same dumb fucks that are claiming success now ran 8 congressional investigations on Benghazi for 6 years wasting tons of time and money that could have been spent on other things. They obstructed and manufactured controversy for 8 years to prevent any success during Obama's administration so that later they could point the finger. Their partisan political bullshit is what we are calling out.
UncleBuck
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What a shitty, stupid fucking post.
Fogdog
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Forgetting that Trump made the decision for the raid with only political advisers in the room? Forgetting that just weeks before, this same exact raid had been reviewed and quashed after reviews with military and intelligence advisers by Obama? Forgetting that 40 people died in the raid, few of whom were enemies to the US? Forgetting that this kind of action is a recruiting bonanza to Al Queda? No intelligence in this decision, none from intelligence agencies, military personnel or the people at the top.
UncleBuck
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because his father is a sleazebag criminal who taught jared his scumbag, slumlord ways. and jared is a completely inexperienced child who was somehow picked by the orange rapist to lead a goddamn military raid without even the advice of the generals.
kinda played a huge role in getting this American navy seal needlessly killed.
PetFlora
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sooooo, you completely glossed over who is really running the world and presidents ar mere puppets. And trump MAY be one too, but he's doing good things to bring back industry ad jobs. Even the Chicago gangs are willing to listen, as he has already done more to brig them together than either of your big O or Rahm Emanuel. Where were all the liberal bleeding hearts?I got 34 minutes into this before concluding that it's just more partisan bullshit.
How many times did that dumb bitch say Trump was smart?
How many times did she say Trump surrounds himself with "quality people"?
The person who has been brainwashed is you.
UncleBuck
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you are a fucking moron.
tell us again about all the IRS agents coming to jail you for obamacare.
Chunky Stool
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esh dov ets
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i don't like the format of a call in right wing political show spouting opinion.
this is the truth(follow link) this explains the tip of the iceberg and the history of what they are using on you, on us
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/rule-shadows-psychology-power/
the people that create the propaganda work for governments as well as the global organizations.
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Growgettah
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I have not purposefully ignored anything in their respective backgrounds. I did not say that I agree or disagree with either of them and what I know of their beliefs. Obama went through a number of cabinet positions during his tenure, who is to say, beyond Trump himself, why they are "really" there and how long they will serve in his cabinet. To say that either of the two have the power to be "calling the shots" is delusional. There is only ONE person who has National Command Authority and neither of them are it. The Military would take great pleasure, and I derive great security, from the fact that they would inform them both of this with little to no respect as they told them no.
How do I feel about Benghazi? I feel it is a sad commentary on the state of our country. I say that because a man was arrested without charge, detained without due process, and incarcerated for a number of years because he made a video exercising his right to free speech to cover up a tragic loss of life. Neither party chose to recognize this or if they did, they chose not to do anything about it beyond using him to further their own agenda and narrative while he sat in a cell. I did not go through the list of pardons President Obama made to see if he was on the list, but since he was never charged he may not have been pardoned. If he has been freed I hope it was with more than a "sorry about that incarceration thing, we good"?
How do you know who advised Trump on this decision? You may know who was in the room at the time the order was given, but you do not know who was conferenced in through video and phone to give him counsel on this decision as well or who else he may have sought out before reaching a conclusion. Until the transcripts of the recordings are declassified it is all supposition on your part. Do you know the exact reasons why Obama decided not to proceed beyond the generic answers that were given? Was it weather, was it circumstances, was it a low chance of capturing prisoners and collecting data? How do you even know whether Trump reached out to Obama to ask him for counsel and the "why" behind him scrubbing the mission? How do you know the "40" were not enemies of the US? They were killed during a raid on a "heavily fortified terrorist base" why were they there? Its hard to mistake what was described by the media as "heavy machine gun fortifications" for Uncle Bob showing off and making some noise while good timing with his AK. Are you not forgetting that just by living and breathing in the "free" world you are a recruiting bonanza for Al Queda? Why not exhibit some intelligence and ask yourself what an 8yr old American Citizen was doing in a heavily fortified terrorist base in Yemen and HOW did she get there? Or do the answers to those questions not fall in line with what you are pushing through supposition and innuendo?
All I asked was that we not dishonor this young mans' service and sacrifice by calling the mission a failure when none of us, with out all the facts, can say one way or another.
Growgettah
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UncleBuck using your logic what was an 8yr old female American Citizen learning from her Parents or Guardians in that heavily fortified terrorist base in Yemen. You sound like the alt-right on one of their rants I find it amusing no one else called you out on that, but I will because that is some hard core profiling.
esh dov ets
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if she was brown she was either a terrorist or a rapist.
UncleBuck
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why don't you want me to mention the insane amounts of corruption and criminality that trump invited into the white house to advise him and get American Navy Seals killed?