Cx2H
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In theory sounds right. The plant wants eternal life so it's gonna nanner. IMO I don't push them that long. I got 2 dead hermies laying on the floor K.I.A, stoopid fuxin sativa doms
***hermies*** : Everything you need to know! Faqs
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Cx2H
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Had to move locations. They got neglected for a couple of weeks while waiting for me to finish building the new space's.
Food, light, temps. The other strains weren't affected but my 2 biggest headbands 3 weeks into flower. Could of been the topping didn't help in veg, the Hermie band was the 2 nodes above the cuts , topped them 8 times at once. So long story short, I fuxed up my clone only strain that I can't get more of...
I would of ran them but didn't want to risk my others going down.
Mad_Prophessor
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Ok, I am going to answer your concern and at the same time, I am going to clarify some misconceptions about the seeds from a herme.May I just ask you or anyone who may know, I've got a similar looking crop to yours nice looking heads but I've found seeds on the lower buds( I'm at the beginning of week 8 and normally do 9 weeks so I will take it down a week early I'm just wondering how fast will seeds spread up to my top buds or will the already be in there? Just in panic mode First time doing seeds 'ghs jack herer' and get this so il stick to cuttings!
First off, pollination won't spread like a disease, you need pollen to fertilize a calyx. That is the only way to make a seed. That being said, I have encountered nanners and pods that were localized to just the very bottom of the plant. As such, it only fertilizer the lower wispy nugs. That doesn't mean there were no other buds with seeds, but pollen will fly around the room from just the fans running. You can always use a spray bottle and mist those ares with water the pollen hit and neutralize it.
In regards to the random seeds in a bag. THEY ARE NOT USABLE!!! They came from a mutated plant and will only produce another hermie. Seed companies introduce the plants to colloidal silver to make them all female. Yes, I am leaving out a lot of details in the process, but that is the main difference from what they do and from taking a bunch of hermie seeds and expecting them to produce females. They might be mostly female, but their genetics are extremely unstable.
Please pm me directly for more specific questions. I feel like this thread has gone a bit feral.
Bubblegum31
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My poor 24 K Gold all 3 hermied ! thanks for the info.View attachment 3605787View attachment 3605788[/QUOTE]I SEEN ALOT OF PEOPLE ASKING BOUT THIS SO I THOUGHT I WOULD GO OUT AND FIND SOME INFORMATION FOR NEWBIES AND PEOPLE WANTING TO KNOW THE INS AND OUT OF HERMIES
I HOPE THIS HAS HELPED EVERYONE THAT WAS UNSURE
Sorry for your loss
Purple wreck
Bubblegum31
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Mad_Prophessor
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Sorry for your loss
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Sorry bro. It happens. The best thing you can do is to give them a constant environment and water/feed schedule. Consistency is key to not stressing them. Stressed plants that are flowering will be more likely mutate. You can stress a vegging plant without issue, but not flowering plants. Other than that, find strains that can take abuse (don't abuse them unless you a being scientific about it and trying to learn). Some strains are heavy drinkers and some are just plain bitchy. In terms of women, go after that super cool chick that is funny and smart and is an 8. She will treat you right. IMO Fruit Punch, Amnesia and Darkstar are very hearty strains and can take a lot of abuse. The Amnesia I have is from Herbie's and says it takes like 14 weeks of flower, total bullshit. It is usually done in 7-8 and has massive colas. Try it out.
One more time: Hermie seeds will produce hermie planets unless they have been exposed to colloidal silver. Random bag seeds are more than likely carrying the hermie mutation than being a viable seed. Herbie's ships worldwide and is a reliable source for fem seeds.
I hope this helps!
Bubblegum31
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It does. Thanks for all the info..
Am runing amnesia at the moment as well for the first time and I have stressed thr hill out of them and they are just keep growing like nothing I have seen .
Ill cut within the next few days and they will be exactly 8 weeks when I cut.
Am runing amnesia at the moment as well for the first time and I have stressed thr hill out of them and they are just keep growing like nothing I have seen .
Ill cut within the next few days and they will be exactly 8 weeks when I cut.
Mad_Prophessor
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I would say that the Amnesia strain would survive a nuclear holocaust. It is, without a question or comparison, the heartiest strain I have ever grown. Don't go by time, use a scope to know that they are done.
I'm glad I could help!
Bubblegum31
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My Amnesia cuts (first time to grow from cuts ) Indeed they have overcome very stressfull invironment unstable irrigation and watering schedule and they keep growing plus I have got those cuts with spider mites but they keep doin just fine am amazed!!unfortunately I can not uploaded photos at the moment on the farm.
I have one more question for you please!
Would it be good idea to make mother plant from feminized seeds??
I have still one pack of purple wreck reserva privada and whanna try it again as the last pack hermied and I just cuted them all after I found seed proudction develop heavily in them.
Those seeds have been discontinued and not any more are bieng sold, and in away I wanna save those genetics if I found astable one that worth keeping.
Thanks for all your help in advance your opinion is highly appreciated.
Bub
Dr. Who
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This thread is FULL of rumor and nonsense!
One more time: Hermie seeds will produce hermie planets unless they have been exposed to colloidal silver. Random bag seeds are more than likely carrying the hermie mutation than being a viable seed. Herbie's ships worldwide and is a reliable source for fem seeds.
I hope this helps![/QUOTE]
You're not exactly right either!
READ THIS THREAD AND LEARN
https://www.rollitup.org/t/fact-check-seeds-from-a-self-pollinating-hermie-are-always-females.934660/
This thread should be burned at the alter of false information.
Sorry bro. It happens. The best thing you can do is to give them a constant environment and water/feed schedule. Consistency is key to not stressing them. Stressed plants that are flowering will be more likely mutate. You can stress a vegging plant without issue, but not flowering plants. Other than that, find strains that can take abuse (don't abuse them unless you a being scientific about it and trying to learn). Some strains are heavy drinkers and some are just plain bitchy. In terms of women, go after that super cool chick that is funny and smart and is an 8. She will treat you right. IMO Fruit Punch, Amnesia and Darkstar are very hearty strains and can take a lot of abuse. The Amnesia I have is from Herbie's and says it takes like 14 weeks of flower, total bullshit. It is usually done in 7-8 and has massive colas. Try it out.
One more time: Hermie seeds will produce hermie planets unless they have been exposed to colloidal silver. Random bag seeds are more than likely carrying the hermie mutation than being a viable seed. Herbie's ships worldwide and is a reliable source for fem seeds.
I hope this helps![/QUOTE]
You're not exactly right either!
READ THIS THREAD AND LEARN
https://www.rollitup.org/t/fact-check-seeds-from-a-self-pollinating-hermie-are-always-females.934660/
This thread should be burned at the alter of false information.
MichiganMedGrower
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You're not exactly right either!
READ THIS THREAD AND LEARN
https://www.rollitup.org/t/fact-check-seeds-from-a-self-pollinating-hermie-are-always-females.934660/
This thread should be burned at the alter of false information.[/QUOTE]
While I tend to agree with most of your knowledge what you keep saying about "hermie seeds " is pure conjecture. All marijuana can reverse it is in its code. Breeders stress the plants to find the ones that are the least sensitive for growing.
Stress or just chance can turn any plant.
I have never seen a stamen grow on any of my s-1 stress seeds. I plant my saved seeds all the time. I have never used chemicals to reverse a plant. These are the "hermie" seeds you keep warning of.
But some of my seeds from breeder packs have turned. And I am sure it was heat stress or nutrient stress and only one plant from a light leak. They all stopped when stress was removed. And only a few seeds ever found.
And all 3 had ECSD or Lemon Thai or both in them. And all 3 were seriously potent. I welcome these plants. They have made me a better grower.
Mad_Prophessor
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I read the thread and I didn't learn anything new. I would agree with some and disagree with other information. Everything I state is from my own personal experience and from a controlled environment. Appreciate my info or don't, I really don't care. Nobody that I have ever advised has returned to me with bad results from my suggestions. I have several relationships that I conduct through IM and have for several years. They listen to what I say, implement my changes and thank me for improving their grows. Other than suggesting a read, give some experience. Anybody can post a link, I speak from what I have done. I have fucked with more plants, just to see what they will do than most of you will every grow in your lives. Sometimes, I would subject 8 or more from one grow to a myriad of abuse just to learn something. I never have or will use any chemicals of any kind and only use organic fertilizer.
In my experience all hermies begin their lives female and grow male flowers. Then again, I have had no interest in growing a male plant and wouldn't encounter one as I only use fem seeds for moms.
@bubble- chances are the strain was discontinued because it is unstable (one of the high maintenance girls for example) and not worth keeping around. I have had to do the same many times over the years. I had strains that I wanted to work out, but they just didn't. I had the same result each time I tried the seeds with several strains from the same breeder. There was this Blue cheese one time that comes to mind that I wanted to work out and it just wouldn't. 5 weeks in every time, she would shemale out. Just forget the strain and move on.
In my experience all hermies begin their lives female and grow male flowers. Then again, I have had no interest in growing a male plant and wouldn't encounter one as I only use fem seeds for moms.
@bubble- chances are the strain was discontinued because it is unstable (one of the high maintenance girls for example) and not worth keeping around. I have had to do the same many times over the years. I had strains that I wanted to work out, but they just didn't. I had the same result each time I tried the seeds with several strains from the same breeder. There was this Blue cheese one time that comes to mind that I wanted to work out and it just wouldn't. 5 weeks in every time, she would shemale out. Just forget the strain and move on.
Dr. Who
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While I tend to agree with most of your knowledge what you keep saying about "hermie seeds " is pure conjecture. All marijuana can reverse it is in its code. Breeders stress the plants to find the ones that are the least sensitive for growing.
Stress or just chance can turn any plant.
I have never seen a stamen grow on any of my s-1 stress seeds. I plant my saved seeds all the time. I have never used chemicals to reverse a plant. These are the "hermie" seeds you keep warning of.
But some of my seeds from breeder packs have turned. And I am sure it was heat stress or nutrient stress and only one plant from a light leak. They all stopped when stress was removed. And only a few seeds ever found.
And all 3 had ECSD or Lemon Thai or both in them. And all 3 were seriously potent. I welcome these plants. They have made me a better grower.[/QUOTE]
I, nor actually any other quality underground breeders I know. Ever stress a plant to find gear not prone to "herm". I take quality genetics, I know are strong.
When I build a new strain. I cross strains on purpose. I find specific plants, expressing the desired traits I'n looking to add to each other. In an attempt at a specific result. It can take well over a year to find the true success I'm looking for. Sometimes I don't get there. I keep what I like.
Sometimes with some "clone only" strains you reverse for the pollen when males are not available. I only collect and use chemically reversed pollen in such times of need. Some S1 seeds are sold to not make the strain readily available for someone else to make new use of the strain for breeding.
Chemically reversed strains are not the "Hermie seeds "I" keep warning about." Those are the stress induced one's . "Stress induced pollination by one plant to another, both from the same strain source and more so if they are cloned from the same mother. Produce a far greater chance for self "herming"......THAT is MY statement! I might think your believing to much of what "some commercial" seed breeder tells you. I know you have friends in at least one (I won't list it in fairness to them) and if your getting that from them. They are either bold faced lying to you or they aren't as good as you think.
There is SO much rumor and mistaken "knowledge" about "fem" seeds that it's turned out to be one of the perpetual "hot button topics" on Cannabis seeds still being spoken about.....and trust me MMG,,,,,what I'm telling you is not conjecture.
I agree that "stress' could turn any plant. I've not tried to convey that any given strain will not.
I am saying I have strains that are known to "herm" by stress. I have been running them for years now, without having seen one throw a stamen.....proper care and proper environment.......
Fair enough? I mean if we still agree after this.....Then we agree to disagree on something.....I'm not pushing my points after this.
PS..It's not just cannabis that can self reproduce either.....there are many more plant families that do also...
MichiganMedGrower
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I, nor actually any other quality underground breeders I know. Ever stress a plant to find gear not prone to "herm". I take quality genetics, I know are strong.
When I build a new strain. I cross strains on purpose. I find specific plants, expressing the desired traits I'n looking to add to each other. In an attempt at a specific result. It can take well over a year to find the true success I'm looking for. Sometimes I don't get there. I keep what I like.
Sometimes with some "clone only" strains you reverse for the pollen when males are not available. I only collect and use chemically reversed pollen in such times of need. Some S1 seeds are sold to not make the strain readily available for someone else to make new use of the strain for breeding.
Chemically reversed strains are not the "Hermie seeds "I" keep warning about." Those are the stress induced one's . "Stress induced pollination by one plant to another, both from the same strain source and more so if they are cloned from the same mother. Produce a far greater chance for self "herming"......THAT is MY statement! I might think your believing to much of what "some commercial" seed breeder tells you. I know you have friends in at least one (I won't list it in fairness to them) and if your getting that from them. They are either bold faced lying to you or they aren't as good as you think.
There is SO much rumor and mistaken "knowledge" about "fem" seeds that it's turned out to be one of the perpetual "hot button topics" on Cannabis seeds still being spoken about.....and trust me MMG,,,,,what I'm telling you is not conjecture.
I agree that "stress' could turn any plant. I've not tried to convey that any given strain will not.
I am saying I have strains that are known to "herm" by stress. I have been running them for years now, without having seen one throw a stamen.....proper care and proper environment.......
Fair enough? I mean if we still agree after this.....Then we agree to disagree on something.....I'm not pushing my points after this.
PS..It's not just cannabis that can self reproduce either.....there are many more plant families that do also...[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean to offend but I am surprised you took this where you just did. Without knowing me and I think you didn't read my journal at rm3 why would you think you know any more about quality and weed and breeders than me?
Have you even researched who my "friend" the breeder is? I sure would take his word over yours. But I didn't quote or refer to his knowledge at all here. And I only know him through email.
No male pollen and you get 99% female seeds from pollination. Nature takes care of the one percent. It doesn't matter when, why or what stage of flower the plant is in.
The resulting seeds do not carry a special gene or tendency to hermie except for the phenotypes expressions if they do. And like you and I said no stress no stamen.
And if a breeder trusts the genetics he trusts them. If not a pro will stress test and search until they find the plant they want.
I emailed every breeder I was interested in when I was looking for good fem seeds. None of the "commercial" companies answered or took the time to care about a grower.
But one small guy that had the best gallery I had seen of sativa heavy but medically viable hybrids and an actual history with the classic breeders and the original plants. And he helped me with learning to grow them.
And he doesn't even really sell packs to the public. Only volume to European growers.
Know any breeders with a standard $100k order that is barely known by the masses?
Dr. Who
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I didn't mean to offend either!
I'm also not going to answer your loaded second question. I don't want a toe to toe pissing match, like happened between you and Riddle. On any level. I don't think either of us really want to go there....
I personally, have not been impressed by your breeders gear - again that's a personal thing. I am impressed at his level of caring about someone with real questions and then taking the time to answer....I think I may review his work again. Maybe there is something there I might like to work with.
I will say I don't give a shit about how much volume someone sells beans. You find the real deal home run hitters are the underground type. Not that Baba's White widow or folks like Reserva, THseeds, Barney's and others haven't made a splash. But one day you find yourself looking over the hill at things that don't hit the "open" market,,,if it does at all! You can find real deal Cookies in S1's in forum cut and a cpl of other out standing cuts that run around 26+%. You have to look in unconventional places that most don't even know exist. Look at the fuss GG and GG#4 has made! Hell, everyone and their brother are working it! My son did too. I'm not totally sure why he did that exact cross but, it's his first true breeding adventure. I'm looking forward to trying it...
Whats the HOT ticket right now? Dos I Dos? Isn't that a cookies cross? Done with things those big boys don't have in their stables..Eh?
My stand about stress induced selfing is backed by a history of facts. Not good, and "I" don't "trust" any stamen (Banana) sourced seeds. Period. My CDO at work? Maybe but, it's easy to play safe and not pull the devils tail. I had several old strains back in the early "stress" days that were so nice yet were so prone to herming....You simply got tired of that shit and went back to reg's only. It took me sometime to accept the new S1's. And it took the prodding of a cpl of folks - like your friend. To get me to try them again.
I still get real frustrated with many big seed breeders supplying so fucking many FEM only strains......There are things I'd like to work with. I just can't bring myself to, for the vast bulk of them.....There goes my thoughts on a Big Buddha Blue cheese X 26 cookies cross again.....sigh.
Fuck this train of thought!
Now then, I too am a Sativa lover.....Nothing like those old school one's to make you wish you were back there again. So then, with that in mind. Do you have any suggestions for me to look at from your friend?
I'll give you one - Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze.....Connoisseur Genetic's......One strong fucking strain! You can take that to the bank!
It's more fun to play nice then poke ego's....Don't you think.....
Sparkle would come in and call us "old wind bags" for this shit..
MichiganMedGrower
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I don't know Sparkle but thank you. I did start to get into a pissing match. Your words were loaded as well.
The website is ch9femaleseeds.com but it has started to degrade. Much information is not linked anymore. And many strains and crosses are gone. As I said he has focused on bulk female and auto sales of a few strains it seems. I don't actually know him but from email although he invited me to Spain once to grow and learn to breed with him.
I had just bought the house here and declined sadly. I wish I were younger and healthier although he is more disabled than I and keeps doing it.
However some of the ones I have shown are there and the Motarebel info on the crossed strains is there and copied from his descriptions.
He tends to return emails promptly.
The old stuff was largely the good old sensei seeds stuff cubed and bred other ways but he really ends up with his own plants that lean toward the original but highlighting an uplifting effect even trippy.
I think Motarebel came into the picture when his illness progressed and he needed stronger meds. Which is fortunate for me as they are perfect and healing my girlfriend and I.
I like female seeds for our plant count but I have started to run cuttings of his and other stuff. I traded a bunch of seeds this year. I have a bunch of singles. I have a nice Stella Blue dream from S-1 seed about to flower. Looks just like the pics of others Santa Cruz cuts I have seen. (Due to the narrower selection of phenos in the s-1) lol and adding to the original topic.
But I got off the breeders you mentioned like greenhouse seeds my first year. I never even thought to try most of the list like barneys farm.
Many of the parents and originals are represented that you recommend. Like the ECSD. And forgotten plants like original Herijuana but crossed with a nice sativa mix.
Hell his plant called Flower is a Yumbolt cross. And tastes and feels just like the old 80's "skunk weed"
Of course super flowery woody earthy skunk not the roadkill sort. I grew up on it as a kid in the 80's. So when I grew his stuff even as a near beginner I knew I was on to something.
The reports I just got back from Colorado were more than flattering. The guys there smoke some real good stuff but noticed the high level of energy and duration my meds offered on the mountain snowboarding. Compared to the foggy was and sleepiness the 25% and up labeled stuff is and even their favorite Med growers.
I gave a lot of growers these seeds at my expense for S-1's to try to share the love.
They are actually the ones who are not trying them. I have all kinds of seed plants going. I love the variety.
Sorry for the long post. Please carry on.
Top_-_Bunna
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I am forced to agree with kiwi Paul here, firstly all of the advice you have given is virtually incorrect, secondly if you are use feminised seed then you will not necessarily have herm plants/nanners this clearly shows your lack of expertise as I have not regularly seen them on my plants, also I'm not sure how far through cycle you are but judging by resin/crystal I would say you are a fair way through.... your yield is shockingly poor I often have more off one 600w so for all novices taking advice from this guy.... don't!!!
Kingrow1
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Lame