SIP thread -- (Sub-Irrigated Planter)

ruwtz

ruwtz

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SiP noob here, looking for some advice.

I've been trying to run SiP in my nursery "seedling" phase with pretty poor results.

The following stages are close to dialed except the nursery:

-- Room 1: bubble cloner > nursery SiP > veg ebb&flow, then into >>>
-- Room 2: bloom drip dtw

So out of the bubbler I have excellent roots established and 2-4 healthy nodes, then into 1/2gal coco pots for the SiP. I add extra holes to the pots to help the coco to wick up.

Very basic SiP: pots in planter trays under T5HO, watering at pH 5.8 / 0.5-0.7EC consisting of Hydroguard, kelp and fulvic and rooting stimulator such as Rapid Start.

Room 74F / 60-65%RH.

Nursery stage is typically 2 weeks before I can pot up for veg.

Problems are pretty drastic: no new growth, poor root development, significant leaf paling, all within 4-7 days. When I remove from SiP and flush with plain water they bounce back.

I'm convinced the problem is in the root zone as those originally healthy roots take a turn for the worst.

The tray of water never looks too great either and sometimes gathers a slimy film on top. Obvious pathogen or algae or unwanted bacteria. Due to the setup its impractical to cover the SiP from light etc, and I am currently considering scrapping it altogether and running a small E&F or perhaps more bubblers (not ideal as its up on a shelf).

I would like to persevere with SiP if I can get it right. @Wisher2 originally showed me the way but I've never gotten get his results.

Can't show pics here right now, but what any thoughts from you guys? Is it cover or die? Do you add airstones?
 
Wisher2

Wisher2

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well I run coco and out of the gate I feed at full strength 1.5ec .....even seeds

the only thing I have ever run is hydroguard

I never run any kind of bennies or anything organic

when I plant or transplant I use bennies in the hole

when using sips I pour nutrient solution into the tray and allow the plants to soak it up.....I then dont feed again until about 1/4-1/2 of the medium has dried
 
Wisher2

Wisher2

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ruwtz said:
SiP noob here, looking for some advice.

I've been trying to run SiP in my nursery "seedling" phase with pretty poor results.

The following stages are close to dialed except the nursery:

-- Room 1: bubble cloner > nursery SiP > veg ebb&flow, then into >>>
-- Room 2: bloom drip dtw

So out of the bubbler I have excellent roots established and 2-4 healthy nodes, then into 1/2gal coco pots for the SiP. I add extra holes to the pots to help the coco to wick up.

Very basic SiP: pots in planter trays under T5HO, watering at pH 5.8 / 0.5-0.7EC consisting of Hydroguard, kelp and fulvic and rooting stimulator such as Rapid Start.

Room 74F / 60-65%RH.

Nursery stage is typically 2 weeks before I can pot up for veg.

Problems are pretty drastic: no new growth, poor root development, significant leaf paling, all within 4-7 days. When I remove from SiP and flush with plain water they bounce back.

I'm convinced the problem is in the root zone as those originally healthy roots take a turn for the worst.

The tray of water never looks too great either and sometimes gathers a slimy film on top. Obvious pathogen or algae or unwanted bacteria. Due to the setup its impractical to cover the SiP from light etc, and I am currently considering scrapping it altogether and running a small E&F or perhaps more bubblers (not ideal as its up on a shelf).

I would like to persevere with SiP if I can get it right. @Wisher2 originally showed me the way but I've never gotten get his results.

Can't show pics here right now, but what any thoughts from you guys? Is it cover or die? Do you add airstones?
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the problem you are having is you are not feeding your coco

you have to feed your coco

when your rooted clones come out of the cloner they are looking for food

NPK's

since you are running fulvic/micro life/and rapid start you are basically feeding micro life.....but there is nothing to feed the clones

your clones should be hitting your veg ec right out of the gate

if you are not comfortable with that high ec then use 1/2 to 3/4's of your veg strength
say .75-1.0 but it has to be NPK's not root enhancers and microlife

I would suggest you can innoculate the coco with mycos or recharge or whatever

but if you want to run rapid....use in the cloner
hydroguard for the res if you want

as for the actual solution in the sips

just NPK's

Jacks plus cal nit if that is what you are still using

Greene genes made a video about Jacks

he also uses it right out of the gate


I now use VegBloom by hydroponic-research
4g per gal of RO brings be to 1.4 with a ph 5.8

it is a dry salt base
basically Jacks with added Fulvic/Humic Carbs
enzymes etc.....

pertty bomb stuff
 
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Wisher2

Wisher2

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
I guess I really don't get the point of SIPS with all these mixed nutes.. for me the goal is making this less work.
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what do you mean

it is simple

from cloner into coco in a pot into a tray with nutrient solution
the coco soaks it up

it is called passive hydroponics

super easy

you use the same feed as all the veg
 
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Wisher2

Wisher2

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
Yeah bit still gotta mix up all those nutes and such... bah! ;-) Lol each to his own man just my take on SIPS
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I run the same nutes through the entire plants life

I make a 55gal drum of nutrients

I turn on the spigot and fill up a gallon jug a pour into the trays for my sips

the 55gal is on a timer which feeds my flower room

nute strength never changes

it takes me all of about 5 min every 3 weeks to mix my nutrients

once every couple days I fill a jug for sips

I dont think it could get any easier unless I planted in ground and let rain water my plants

I dont have "All these nutes to mix up"

I run 1 dry powder @ 4g per gal

anyone using a bottle is taking way more time on it than I

anyone running organic.....brewing ewc tea and bennies and all that shit

taking way more time than I

99% of my time now is spent touching and talking to my plants

no bottles
no ratios
no checking ph or ec

nutrients fall to 5.8ph with an ec of 1.4-1.5

I dont really know how much easier it can get
 
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