del66666
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holland and barret health food shop sell organic blackstrap molasses.
Fact or Fiction?
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holland and barret health food shop sell organic blackstrap molasses.
Rope Smoker
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Whats Marmite? Never heard of it. Molasses, natmoon swears by it if you have seen any of his threads. He had some 36" colas off one plant, using molasses and a air basket with a fish air pump running into a spounge in bottom of basket!
peace man
boistlyboist
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Marmite's an English thing, it's yeast extract. You can either have it on toast or in sandwiches, with anything really It's got a distinct taste so you either love it or hate it.
Check it out. Love it or hate it? : Marmite
Check it out. Love it or hate it? : Marmite
techhead420
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It's been well established that the rate of carbon uptake through the roots to the new shoots is quite low in plants, on the order of 0.6%.
https://www.uni-hohenheim.de/~kuzyakov/K_SBB_2006_Glucose-Uptake-Maize.pdf
Almost all of the sugar will be consumed by bacteria in the soil. This bacteria then competes with the plant for resources causing nutrient lock up. Furthermore, the sugar will throw off the osmotic pressure in the root zone which also makes nutrient uptake more difficult.
https://www.uni-hohenheim.de/~kuzyakov/K_SBB_2006_Glucose-Uptake-Maize.pdf
Almost all of the sugar will be consumed by bacteria in the soil. This bacteria then competes with the plant for resources causing nutrient lock up. Furthermore, the sugar will throw off the osmotic pressure in the root zone which also makes nutrient uptake more difficult.
Well - there you have it, proof positive that molasses doesn't work on Uranus! Maybe if you actually try it, you'll see that it really does work - at least here on Earth!
MrHowardMarks
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Sorry to repremand you, but you really need to do some research on BENEFICIAL bacteria and fungi. Increase in yield 10-20%.
(This might have already been addressed)
MrHowardMarks
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No, pure molasses, huge difference.
Pancake syrup, if it's real (and not flavoured corn syrup), comes from a sugar maple. Molasses is a byproduct of making sugar from sugar cane.
techhead420
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Grow the fuck up.....
Dude chill out! I mean I'm all for using theory to guide you, but when it comes right down to it, experiment tells you what's really true in a given situation. I mean there's a thousand ways your idea for why molasses is bad could be off. Maybe the particular bacteria molasses promotes acts primarily by consuming other bacteria that causes nute lock up, maybe the bacteria excrete beneficial nutes, maybe the change in osmotic pressure is negligible, who knows how it works? The point is lots of people have tried it and claim it works. Don't be so sure of yourself until you've repeated the experiment yourself!
techhead420
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Yes, but we want to use the scientific method (look it up) in our experiments so that we have empiricism rather than anecdotes or so that we are playing a bunch of guessing games. Claims are worthless without evidence to back them up. A lot of people have tried the power of prayer, for example, and most claim it works. Does it?
My signature basically means that if you don't have the evidence to back up what you're saying then it's BS. There are a lot of claims on this forum that are without merit.
MrHowardMarks
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So what your saying is your full of shit?
Cause scientific method starts with research. Then you form a hypothesis, "BS", then you test your hypothesis to create evidence to support your claim with an experiment.
So since you haven't tried it, your signature says it all.
Not trying to be a dick, but it's hard not to be a smartass
Fair enough, I agree anecdotal evidence is not a good basis for making conclusions. Generally a well controlled study presented in a peer-reviewed journal is accepted as satisfactory evidence. Unfortunately, growing weed being the federal offense it is, asking for that kind of evidence is simply impractical. (And of course this is the same reason why the AMA can still claim that there is no therapeutic use for cannabis, but that's an issue for another thread). However, given that there is plenty of anecdotal evidence, I would argue that there is plenty of motivation for me to try this in my next grow. So in summary, you are perfectly entitled to not believe the claim that molasses is helpful. I, myself am more convinced by the anecdotal evidence from growers than by predictions (based in good science) on such a complex biological system.
So let's all just smoke a spliff, agree to disagree, and sing kumbayah. (Or at least the first part
) In this same vein, I myself would be curious, does anyone have pics of a pair of plants from the same seed stock grown side by side under similar conditions, one treated with molasses and the other not?
So let's all just smoke a spliff, agree to disagree, and sing kumbayah. (Or at least the first part
) In this same vein, I myself would be curious, does anyone have pics of a pair of plants from the same seed stock grown side by side under similar conditions, one treated with molasses and the other not?techhead420
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You're appealing to negative proof which is a naive and foolish logical fallacy. I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's hard not to be a smartass.So what your saying is your full of shit?
Cause scientific method starts with research. Then you form a hypothesis, "BS", then you test your hypothesis to create evidence to support your claim with an experiment.
So since you haven't tried it, your signature says it all.
Not trying to be a dick, but it's hard not to be a smartass
The other logical fallacy is assuming that one needs to reinvent the wheel. That's why we scientific types rely on other people's peer reviewed research. Peer reviewed research papers are empiricism and the burden of proof is on the person making the claims. There is no unbiased peer reviewed reserch paper backing the claims of mollasses. If there is, by all means post a link to it.
techhead420
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Please, try what you want. I'm not trying to start a pissing match but you need to understand that "anecdotal evidence" is an oxymoron.
Also, the research does not need to be made on pot plants.
MrHowardMarks
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No such publication exists, but I'm sure Dr. Hornby of Advanced Nutrients could give you proof, otherwise with his revolutionary research of cannibis specific experiments in regards to complex sugar use of beneficial bacteria colonies and fungus to create more stimulation to the rhizosphere wouldn't have created great products that increase root mass and add 10-20 percent yield.
I have done the experiments and seen the results, if you call it biased because I proved my and many others hypothesies so be it.
I have done the experiments and seen the results, if you call it biased because I proved my and many others hypothesies so be it.
MrHowardMarks
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You may not be understanding the concept, the molasses isn't for the plant, it's food for the bacterial/fungal colonies. You have to add the beneficial fungus and bacteria in order to get the benefits.
Well, I disagree. Anecdotal evidence is important and plays a valuable role in the scientific method. Anecdotal evidence is very often the first bit of evidence which serves to pique the interest enough to call for a real trial. Anecdotal evidence has led to further investigation that's been the cause of many important breakthroughs in science, like the smallpox vaccine. (And as you point out, it's also spurred numerous research projects which contradict anecdotes such as the healing power of prayer) In any case, why don't you tone down the condescension in your posts a little bit? I certainly don't appreciate being told to look up what the scientific method is.