"If you do not believe in climate change, you should not be allowed to hold public office"

fdd2blk

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when i moved into this place, there was a batch of wild sunflowers that popped up in the yard. so i weeded away all their competition and irrigated them. the next year they came back even bigger and more plentiful, and the same the next year. they'd usually start to pop up in may or so.

it's march 10th and i just noticed them starting to pop up. my fruit trees are budding out, trees are breaking dormancy, bulbs that only came up in april are already up, and i'm already irrigating the lawn.

i'm at about 5500 feet in the rockies.

And then, ...
 

Fogdog

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That's real good, what bit about the reef did I get wrong?
everything.
The reef is bleaching not dead. The corals in the Great Barrier Reef aren't adapted to higher temperature waters so your observation about reefs doing fine elsewhere is irrelevant. I could go on but with you it's a waste of time.

I insist that your enroll in a first grade primary school to start your education or I won't continue to spoon feed you with information. I want to see your report cards or you will be cut off from my help.

But really, killing yourself to hopefully reincarnate as a human with a better brain is a better option for you. You might come back as a rat or a male whore, but the chances of you bettering yourself are pretty good.
 
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fdd2blk

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interesting

You don't remember claiming that Trump will end the world in an apocalyptic nuclear war? You insisted on it. I suggested you just end it now and become the first victim.
No, I said I hope he does. That's why I VOTED for him.
 

fdd2blk

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remember when people used to actually like what you had to say, then you came back from snitch camp and you were all upset that no one liked you anymore, and you've kept on crying about it to this day?

Looks like I've, once again, touched a nerve.
 

Bear420

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But would the 2003 European heat wave, for example, have happened anyway, even if humans had not pumped greenhouse gases into the atmosphere? A group of scientists took up the question and concluded that human influence had indeed doubled the odds that such a disaster would come. Their landmark 2004 paper was only the first of a new breed of research papers aimed at the "attribution" question. It was a controversial topic, and difficult to study. "Better [computer] models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming," opined the editors of Nature in 2012. Nevertheless studies claimed confidently that global warming had contributed to the severity of floods in Britain in 2000, a heat wave that killed 50,000 people in Russia in 2010, a devastating 2011 Texas heat wave and drought, and droughts in the Mediterranean. Further studies blamed global warming for marked world-wide increases of heat waves and extreme precipitation events in general. By 2012 modelers and meteorologists were working to pin down specific changes in wind patterns that contributed to such disasters.

Looking farther ahead, the rise of sea level was clearly going to be as dangerous as predictions had long foreboded. Already "king tides" periodically flooded streets in Florida that used to stay dry, while elsewhere storm surges were reaching farther inland. It was becoming clear that global warming was responsible. The melting of Greenland and the retreat of Antarctic ice sheets were proceeding faster than experts had expected and now looked irreversible. . In the worst case, by 2100 there could be another meter (6 feet) of sea-level rise. Coastlines and entire cities where many millions lived would eventually have to be evacuated.

Another long-term problem, which scientists were only now starting to grasp, was ocean acidification. Experts had long understood that most of the CO2 added to the atmosphere would wind up dissolved in the oceans, which would make the sea water more acidic. Already in 1979 a National Academy of Sciences report had mentioned the effect in passing. But hardly anyone saw it as a serious matter until a 2003 paper calculated the future rise in acidity. It would reach a level not seen in millions of years, perhaps devastating sea life. Some scientists raised an apocalyptic possibility: could the ocean waters lose their oxygen, bringing the sort of mass extinction seen only a few times previously in the planet's history? Biologists hastened to study the effects of acidification in the laboratory and in the field. For example, a clever natural experiment looked at coral reefs where undersea volcanic seeps of CO2 acidified the water, and found the reefs severely impoverished. It became clear that whatever else might happen, continued CO2 emissions by humanity were certain to gravely damage coral reefs before the end of the century, with "huge economic effects on food security for hundreds of millions of people.

So much more you obviously didn't read. fdd2. wtf take your time and read it all, if you don't understand what they're saying, I really don't know what to say. It may be hypo. but it is happening and we are one of the reasons. why are you arguing about it, makes no sense, if you have not noticed you must not get outside very often. I am certainly not here to start a fight, But give some insight to what the hell we are doing to this planet,
Think about your children's children, they won't even be able to go outside, more than likely starvation will occur. Do you want you family to all live in a world with nothing but death?
I sure don't.
 

Bear420

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Okay Y'all.
These People are here just to be trolls, they know damn well that Global warming is on the rise without a doubt, the only conclusion I can come to is they just like to argue, you don't see any likes under their names, except the trolls.
I mean no harm or bad will to any of them, But c'mon people you do like to argue, "right". If not I need to live where you live, because what is happening here is obvious, it has been getting warmer and warmer every year here. This is the Second year in a row Lake Superior has had no Ice on it, we have had temps in the 70s in November, can't remember that ever happening, and this year in February it was in the 50s lo 60s never in my 50+ years have I seen that and my Parents have never either 70+ years Never. So I really don't know if you that don't believe just like to come and try and get people Pissied off or just enjoy an arguement. Whatever it is enjoy life because we still can, but your offspring will more than likely not have the same benefits we have had.

Like I said no ill will towards nobody, I would just hope we could all work together and slow this process down so everyone has a chance to enjoy this beautiful planet, that seems to be getting ugly as we debate this ridiculous fact.
 

fdd2blk

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Okay Y'all.
These People are here just to be trolls, they know damn well that Global warming is on the rise without a doubt, the only conclusion I can come to is they just like to argue, you don't see any likes under their names, except the trolls.
I mean no harm or bad will to any of them, But c'mon people you do like to argue, "right". If not I need to live where you live, because what is happening here is obvious, it has been getting warmer and warmer every year here. This is the Second year in a row Lake Superior has had no Ice on it, we have had temps in the 70s in November, can't remember that ever happening, and this year in February it was in the 50s lo 60s never in my 50+ years have I seen that and my Parents have never either 70+ years Never. So I really don't know if you that don't believe just like to come and try and get people Pissied off or just enjoy an arguement. Whatever it is enjoy life because we still can, but your offspring will more than likely not have the same benefits we have had.

Like I said no ill will towards nobody, I would just hope we could all work together and slow this process down so everyone has a chance to enjoy this beautiful planet, that seems to be getting ugly as we debate this ridiculous fact.

Man caused global warming.

Now what?
 

dagwood45431

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Okay Y'all.
These People are here just to be trolls, they know damn well that Global warming is on the rise without a doubt, the only conclusion I can come to is they just like to argue, you don't see any likes under their names, except the trolls.
I mean no harm or bad will to any of them, But c'mon people you do like to argue, "right". If not I need to live where you live, because what is happening here is obvious, it has been getting warmer and warmer every year here. This is the Second year in a row Lake Superior has had no Ice on it, we have had temps in the 70s in November, can't remember that ever happening, and this year in February it was in the 50s lo 60s never in my 50+ years have I seen that and my Parents have never either 70+ years Never. So I really don't know if you that don't believe just like to come and try and get people Pissied off or just enjoy an arguement. Whatever it is enjoy life because we still can, but your offspring will more than likely not have the same benefits we have had.

Like I said no ill will towards nobody, I would just hope we could all work together and slow this process down so everyone has a chance to enjoy this beautiful planet, that seems to be getting ugly as we debate this ridiculous fact.
Honestly, I don't believe they do know. They've been brainwashed by the likes of Tits Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Steve Bannon and other RWNJs who in turn have been influenced by the fossil fuel industry and their own idiotic allegiance to Ayn Rand's insane world view. More than forty years ago, Roger Ailes (former Nixon aid and chief architect of fake rightwing news) wrote about the importance of short sound bites to obfuscate complex ideas so stupid Americans could be manipulated into voting against their own self interests. He wrote about this openly. Clearly, he accomplished this goal. People who get "information" from these RWNJ outlets are mostly ignorant about everything including climate change. They're kept in a constant state of anger and bitterness, fed short empty soundbites and never question what they are being fed. They're pathetic, plain and simple.
 

ttystikk

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But would the 2003 European heat wave, for example, have happened anyway, even if humans had not pumped greenhouse gases into the atmosphere? A group of scientists took up the question and concluded that human influence had indeed doubled the odds that such a disaster would come. Their landmark 2004 paper was only the first of a new breed of research papers aimed at the "attribution" question. It was a controversial topic, and difficult to study. "Better [computer] models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming," opined the editors of Nature in 2012. Nevertheless studies claimed confidently that global warming had contributed to the severity of floods in Britain in 2000, a heat wave that killed 50,000 people in Russia in 2010, a devastating 2011 Texas heat wave and drought, and droughts in the Mediterranean. Further studies blamed global warming for marked world-wide increases of heat waves and extreme precipitation events in general. By 2012 modelers and meteorologists were working to pin down specific changes in wind patterns that contributed to such disasters.

Looking farther ahead, the rise of sea level was clearly going to be as dangerous as predictions had long foreboded. Already "king tides" periodically flooded streets in Florida that used to stay dry, while elsewhere storm surges were reaching farther inland. It was becoming clear that global warming was responsible. The melting of Greenland and the retreat of Antarctic ice sheets were proceeding faster than experts had expected and now looked irreversible. . In the worst case, by 2100 there could be another meter (6 feet) of sea-level rise. Coastlines and entire cities where many millions lived would eventually have to be evacuated.

Another long-term problem, which scientists were only now starting to grasp, was ocean acidification. Experts had long understood that most of the CO2 added to the atmosphere would wind up dissolved in the oceans, which would make the sea water more acidic. Already in 1979 a National Academy of Sciences report had mentioned the effect in passing. But hardly anyone saw it as a serious matter until a 2003 paper calculated the future rise in acidity. It would reach a level not seen in millions of years, perhaps devastating sea life. Some scientists raised an apocalyptic possibility: could the ocean waters lose their oxygen, bringing the sort of mass extinction seen only a few times previously in the planet's history? Biologists hastened to study the effects of acidification in the laboratory and in the field. For example, a clever natural experiment looked at coral reefs where undersea volcanic seeps of CO2 acidified the water, and found the reefs severely impoverished. It became clear that whatever else might happen, continued CO2 emissions by humanity were certain to gravely damage coral reefs before the end of the century, with "huge economic effects on food security for hundreds of millions of people.

So much more you obviously didn't read. fdd2. wtf take your time and read it all, if you don't understand what they're saying, I really don't know what to say. It may be hypo. but it is happening and we are one of the reasons. why are you arguing about it, makes no sense, if you have not noticed you must not get outside very often. I am certainly not here to start a fight, But give some insight to what the hell we are doing to this planet,
Think about your children's children, they won't even be able to go outside, more than likely starvation will occur. Do you want you family to all live in a world with nothing but death?
I sure don't.
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