Fact Check: Seeds from a self-pollinating hermie are always females?

Dr. Who

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I was offended because we are having an excellent discussion that can help many mis informed growers and you comment negatively without reading.

The thread title is why I came here to help.
No need to get offended.

Qwiz is OK, You need a tougher skin around here.....
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Mmm, must be your source genetic's. I have never had even a naner from either of my chem dogs or my ECSD. The dog is old original gentics, and the ECSD is the from the best cut (in my opinion). Now my Thai's and the Vietnamese Black, will if stressed as you say. I keep the environment set for them and have feed charting for them for years and years.....So I don't see naners or better "haven't" for sometime....

I stress when plants stress. Yet there are times when I "push" blooming plants rather hard. Yes, even with my organics. That set of GG#4 pics I posted. Those were "pushed" with a high N soil (slower release components and more of them) and with some extra medium release P and K. They got hit with some extra Mg Sulfate to.
Mine are hybrids but the source of the ECSD and Lemon Thai were original. Motarebel.

And like I said no more stress no more stamen and almost no seeds shown ever.

And I never give plants any more than they need. I feel from much experimentation the closer you come to never over or underfeeding plants the better they grow and reach their potential.
 

Dr. Who

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Mine are hybrids but the source of the ECSD and Lemon Thai were original. Motarebel.

And like I said no more stress no more stamen and almost no seeds shown ever.

And I never give plants any more than they need. I feel from much experimentation the closer you come to never over or underfeeding plants the better they grow and reach their potential.

Oh, I don't know......Pushing can make some things right nicer.....It's all about what, when and how much! I push more then not..

stupid non working pics!
 

neef

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So just to confirm for my own stupidity. If I have two females (female 1, female 2) and I stress female 1 into producing a male flower. I then can take pollen from female 1 flower and pollinate female 2's flower which a 100% female offspring rate?
 

JDMase

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So just to confirm for my own stupidity. If I have two females (female 1, female 2) and I stress female 1 into producing a male flower. I then can take pollen from female 1 flower and pollinate female 2's flower which a 100% female offspring rate?
I think that's the "soma" way, if you mean by stress, letting the plant flower longer than you should and jt throws out nanners and you use that pollen. I think that would increase hereditary hermaphroditism. The better way would to use CS to get your "female" pollen. And then you would be getting your 100% female/feminized seeds
 

chemphlegm

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if you stress a female to the point of producing nanners, the resultant pollen will likely result in more nanner throwing girls.

if you allow a healthy female to go past its finish she will in a last ditch effort produce small yellow fingers in bud that will contain pollen inside, this pollen when used to fertilize another healthy female or the same one even, has always resulted in healthy female producing seeds for me since 2008.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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if you stress a female to the point of producing nanners, the resultant pollen will likely result in more nanner throwing girls.

if you allow a healthy female to go past its finish she will in a last ditch effort produce small yellow fingers in bud that will contain pollen inside, this pollen when used to fertilize another healthy female or the same one even, has always resulted in healthy female producing seeds for me since 2008.
The stress nanners you speak of will also be 99% or more female as they are self pollinated. And if the stress that caused them is removed and the same pheno as before happens to come up then it still should not reverse without the stress that caused it.

I have had this happen as I have stated before and I plant the "stress"seeds from my first year often. Always have been good female plants. And sometimes a very similar Phenotype.
 

chemphlegm

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well, if lights alone could determine sex as stated earlier, wonder why producers dont shine it on their seeds first?
and why does greenhouse computer analyze seeds in order to determine sex, instead of shining a light and calling fem?

how does a light shined a seed schuck become capable of changing age old set chromosomes in dna I wonder too. its a brave new world we live in.
does anyone buy up reg seeds, shine some light, and resell these as illuminated fems?

this "
Sex is an inherited trait in Cannabis, and can be explained in much the same terms as human sexuality can. Like a human being, Cannabis is a diploid organism: its chromosomes come in pairs. Chromosomes are microscopic structures within the cells on which the genes are aligned. Cannabis has 10 pairs of chromosomes (n=10), for a total of 20 chromosomes (2m=20).




One pair of chromosomes carries the primary genes that determine sex. These chromosomes are labelled either X or Y. Male plants have an XY pair of sex chromosomes. Females have XX. Each parent contribute one set of 10 chromosomes, which includes one sex chromosome, to the embryo. The sex chromosome carried by the female ovule can only be X. The one carried by pollen of the male plant may be either X or Y. From the pollen, the embryo has a 50/50 chance of receiving an X, likewise for Y; hance, male and female progeny appear in equal numbers (in humans, the sperm carries either an X or a Y chromosome.)"
 
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sparkygeek

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During one of my early grows (summer) I accidently subjected a high CBD feminized plant to significant stress... I never noticed any bananas until I cut it but there were a lot of seeds. I've popped about ten seeds so far and all seem identical to the original mother... I even grew three in one crop and they looked and smelled identically. I'm pretty sure they are clones in seed form... but I'm also sure their genetics are prone to producing male flowers under very low stress. They are great for growing out because of their uniqueness but I can see why you wouldn't breed with the genetics Dr. Who... Kudos!
 

MichiganMedGrower

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During one of my early grows (summer) I accidently subjected a high CBD feminized plant to significant stress... I never noticed any bananas until I cut it but there were a lot of seeds. I've popped about ten seeds so far and all seem identical to the original mother... I even grew three in one crop and they looked and smelled identically. I'm pretty sure they are clones in seed form... but I'm also sure their genetics are prone to producing male flowers under very low stress. They are great for growing out because of their uniqueness but I can see why you wouldn't breed with the genetics Dr. Who... Kudos!
I get similar phenos too from self seeds. But not always.......

Still possible variety of phenotypes from the mothers genetics.
 

darkzero

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The stress nanners you speak of will also be 99% or more female as they are self pollinated. And if the stress that caused them is removed and the same pheno as before happens to come up then it still should not reverse without the stress that caused it.

I have had this happen as I have stated before and I plant the "stress"seeds from my first year often. Always have been good female plants. And sometimes a very similar Phenotype.

I've had the very same results with stress seed mine came from an f1 cross made few yrs ago that selfed wwxbb that I crossed with wwxunknown skunk. The resulting S1 seeds were identical in smell, stack, size. The only difference I did notice was potency and taste was significantly better and more kushy. The seeds didn't throw naners until 2 days before harvest which was exactly 11 3/4 weeks. Other than that nothing.

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sparkygeek

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I get similar phenos too from self seeds. But not always.......

Still possible variety of phenotypes from the mothers genetics.
I was a little surprised at what I saw and smelled... I haven't taken the added step of having each plant tested to make sure they have similar THC/CBD ratios so I don't know enough... Does anyone know what the odds are of getting a different pheno from a feminized seed? I see the 99% female estimate on feminized seeds so I'm guessing the odds of getting an unusual pheno might be similar to getting a male plant from a feminized seed (<1%)? Any experts?
 

chemphlegm

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I've had the very same results with stress seed mine came from an f1 cross made few yrs ago that selfed wwxbb that I crossed with wwxunknown skunk. The resulting S1 seeds were identical in smell, stack, size. The only difference I did notice was potency and taste was significantly better and more kushy. The seeds didn't throw naners until 2 days before harvest which was exactly 11 3/4 weeks. Other than that nothing.

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