Xcoregamerskillz
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Well, I suppose it depends on what you're yielding. GrowMau5 got an extra ounce over what he normally gets. So is 200 bucks worth an ounce where you live? That's up for you to decide, I suppose.
Mammoth P
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Flowki
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They have a good grasp on essential nutrients/additives so unless products like this have found something new, what will it be other than a superior combination of what's already known, available cheaper in other or mixed products.
Would you pay $30L for foliage pro because it's convenient?.
MissyGoddess
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I paid $80 for the small bottle, grew out 9 plants and going to harvest some today. I didn't even use 1/4 of the bottle so it should last me 4 grows. I used it 1/2 strength last 2 weeks of veg and full strength all through flower. Compared to all the bottles of roots organic nutes I bought (easily $300+ just for one grow) the Mammoth P was cheap. I just don't know how much it helped because I have nothing to compare againt, but I am happy with my harvest which is all that matters to me.
Xcoregamerskillz
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Did you visit the website of mammoth P? It's an absolutely different blend of enzymes and bacteria specifically designed to free up Phosphorus and increase stem strength and yield.
They're claiming 16% increase in yield. Have you done a side by side?
Yodaweed
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Have not done a side by side, but those numbers seem possible, it really makes some nice stems and what not it works well in my opinion.
Xcoregamerskillz
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Yeah, I'm very interested in this product, but I've got to get the basics down before spending wads of cash on enzymes.
Bakersfield
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What special concoction of bennies does Mammoth P have that the other brands don't have?
I've recently started using Orca so I have no real experience with bennies.
I use it in my reservoir with synthetics and am growing my own cultures, lol.
The plants seem to love it.
I've recently started using Orca so I have no real experience with bennies.
I use it in my reservoir with synthetics and am growing my own cultures, lol.
The plants seem to love it.
Flowki
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Is it possible to genetically modify bacteria so that this product has one of a kind or can you get the contained bacteria from a different source?. Aside from that, as I understand bacteria also produce their own enzymes so one could speculate that they produce the most optimal kind for their intended purpose. Not saying the addition of extra enzymes would be of no use but their must be a point where adding too many enzyme break down material too fast for the bacterial population to handle or in turn allow for a bigger colony than the plants can actually sustain or require. IMO at that point you are either washing out excess broken down food or you are sustaining a colony separate of what is required.
The myco branch to my knowledge fix P along with other things. However I seen a very good vid linked somewhere on this site. What it basically said is if the plant is getting enough P it will send a signal to the routes blocking the uptake of P by means of limiting the sugar levels (If I recall) to the responsible myko, they go dormant. This lead me to wonder how much inoculation products of such biology is being wasted in veg when the plant is likely getting enough P as is. Perhaps this product is of that nature, focusing the right myko with the right level of enzyme at the right time. Even if only half true I beleive more research on the matter would allow you to find the right combination through cheaper products.
I don't believe the hype that one product has found a magic formula that can not be repeated. Not when such claims are made by just about every product. Their was a similar type of product for early veg that was also at a hefty price, it's the one AN took down it's own line for. It was hyped up like crazy and then later I seen posts by people saying it only gives you initial explosive growth and then it slows down and the other untreated plants catch up before flower. If I recall that product was also a blend of certain things that can somewhat be copied on the cheap for similar results.
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Xcoregamerskillz
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I don't know about AN, what I do know is that Mammoth built this formula in a lab and spent a ton of money doing so. They charge a premium because, from every account I have seen, using it as recommended works as they claim it does. If you can do the same for cheaper, by all means, do so, post the results, and put them out of business. Until then, like I said, and like they claim, this stuff really does seem to work. My plan for testing get this stuff was to run it in coco on clones. 2 using mammoth P, 2 using orca or great white, and 1 control with nothing. I'm not to the point in my skill as a grower, or in my space for growing, that I have enough clones to do this, but when I do I will. Again, from what I've seen here, as well as with other independent growers, the product works exactly as advertised.
Flowki
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I done a quick check on the product but genuinely that brief so take this with a pinch of salt. The basic jist seemed to be 4 types of microbes that produce the enzymes, and I guess with a basic or more refined food source for quicker colonization. Weather it's the initial food source or the combination of microbes that give the growth increase I obviously can't answer. I tried to find a technical sheet on the product, one page said they will release it once the product has been tested and verified and to check the site for updates. I followed the link to see if that update was there and I could not find it, but maybe it exists, the site was not very direct. If it is entirely down to the microbe combination and the sheet does not exist yet, that to me would suggest they are cashing in before people figure out and replicate it. I remain that skeptical because that is what I've always seen when looking into expensive products that make claims (that may be true) but won't tell you what's in the product. If the sheet exists and you know the microbe types then you can look into means to buying them cheaper.
They said that although the product was researched in a lab it is actually completely organic or derived, so that imo means you can repeat it, perhaps to a lesser degree but enough to make mammoths price tag unjustified. I'm not going to buy the product as I said above, too skeptical over previous products.. so I don't read too much into it just to try and prove a point that may be wrong or fall on deaf ears. If you plan on using it then hopefully I've given you the desire to read deeper into it and see if you can't save yourself some money.
Xcoregamerskillz
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My plan was to use the free sample.
Flowki
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Oh well in that case if you can take the bait and not get hooked, fisherman 0 ;p.
Reminds me why I hate fishing. All I get is crabs that are not even hooked but are so bloody greedy they hold on forcing me to rip it off em head under boot, then the little fkers get that look
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Xcoregamerskillz
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Wut? Did you just say you're bad at fishing and equate that to not wanting to try something potentially beneficial?Oh well in that case if you can take the bait and not get hooked, fisherman 0 ;p.
Reminds me why I hate fishing. All I get is crabs that are not even hooked but are so bloody greedy they hold on forcing me to rip it off em head under boot, then the little fkers get that look
Flowki
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No sure how you arrived at that conclusion, although I am a bad fisherman ;p. It seems you are emotionally invested now and being way over defensive about it. Enjoy the product.
Xcoregamerskillz
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Yep, I'm invested in a product I don't use. Caught. Me. I'll tell you the same thing I told Michigan med, don't bash a product or method until you can back it up. That's what you're doing here. You haven't even used it, yet you're saying it's a rip off.
Flowki
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Are you sure you don't know much about AN?.
MudDuck
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Those Mammoth P dudes are based out of Fort Collins-got a little trailer right across from New Belgium brewing. I was hooked up with a free sample bottle by some fine dudes at a small grow shop in Laporte. It's not snake oil at all. It shares the same outrageous price per L as stuff like Aptus' Facilitor but having seen results with and without each of these products, they're worth it- but only because you use such a tiny amount per gallon.
I'm holding the bottle and the heaviest recommended dilution is scheduled at weeks 9, 10, and 11, calling for a mere 4mL per gallon at this time.
The microbes present are also said to withstand chlorine from tap water and that's pretty neat.
I'm holding the bottle and the heaviest recommended dilution is scheduled at weeks 9, 10, and 11, calling for a mere 4mL per gallon at this time.
The microbes present are also said to withstand chlorine from tap water and that's pretty neat.
Xcoregamerskillz
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I have not now, nor have I ever use AN