Why do you oppose universal, single-payer healthcare?

esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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cool2burn said:
My dad is on ssi with medi he never wait much longer than a week and he can go to any rapid clinic he wants.
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Try waiting for a neurologist or a dermatologist, some specialists take months. In California. You break a bone they want to fix it right away. You got a cold or injury takes 15 min. To 6 hours at e.r. Or a couple days to 3 weeks at a primary doctor or clinic. You gotta go for multiple visits thats gonna be a couple months with most conditions. Plus side is most everything is covered with medical or Medicare , more things where covered after the affordable care act. California has one of the best medi programs in the country but it is not like having s.a.g. where you can just walk in to an available doctor and be covered .
 
cool2burn

cool2burn

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dandyrandy said:
Not my pension you bum. Got to go pickup my grandson in a minute. I expect a lot from him. I hope you have a productive day!
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Thanks i was not attacking you there. A lot of pensions in the States are insured by the FED. Unclebuck thinks people taking their pension they earned makes them a welfare mooch because they are not at what he considers retirement age. I guess he does not realize all active duty collect their pension after 20 years unless they choose to stay longer however, that is capped at 25 years except for the highest leadership.. I received mine 5 years early. However that point is moot because some branches allow retirement after 15. This was pushed hard over the last 10 years as the military was downsized. So I guess every 38-40 year old retired Veteran or any of them that collects the pension after their 20 years is a mooch in his eyes. It is really sad.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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cool2burn said:
Thanks i was not attacking you there. A lot of pensions in the States are insured by the FED. Unclebuck thinks people taking their pension they earned makes them a welfare mooch because they are not at what he considers retirement age. I guess he does not realize all active duty collect their pension after 20 years unless they choose to stay longer however, that is capped at 25 years except for the highest leadership.. I received mine 5 years early. However that point is moot because some branches allow retirement after 15. This was pushed hard over the last 10 years as the military was downsized. So I guess every 38-40 year old retired Veteran or any of them that collects the pension after their 20 years is a mooch in his eyes. It is really sad.
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Meltdown? How is calling you out on your shit a meltdown on my part?

Plus I believe UncleBuck was referring to your mooching the welfare state because you can't adequately provide for your children's needs with said pension which you could supplement by getting a fucking job but instead you depend on free healthcare but then want to bash free healthcare at the same time.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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thenotsoesoteric said:
Meltdown? How is calling you out on your shit a meltdown on my part?

Plus I believe UncleBuck was referring to your mooching the welfare state because you can't adequately provide for your children's needs with said pension which you could supplement by getting a fucking job but instead you depend on free healthcare but then want to bash free healthcare at the same time.
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He has a "400k investor to start a cannabis grow factory" too.

In reality? Just some wanker that shot themself in the leg to get free money.
 
mauricem00

mauricem00

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cool2burn said:
Death boards for one. There is a reason many people in countries with universal healthcare have to come to the States for treatment.
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do you have any ideal about how many people in this country are dying from curable conditions because they can't get proper health care in time to save them?we have death boards here that are run by hospitals and insurance companies.many americans are buying their prescription drugs from other countries because they can't afford to buy them here. we pay 2 1/2 times as much per capita for healthcare than any other country in the world but rank 37th in outcomes. rich people may come here for elective procedures like cosmetic surgery because of the long waiting list for these services in other countries but low income americans are dying so that corporations can make more profit.single payer may not be perfect but it is better than our system where profits are more important than human life.
 
Rooster802

Rooster802

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Free health care for all... its a seductive thought. My father has sinus cancer. He was diagnosed just over a year ago. He has excellent insurance as a long standing public school teacher in a State that sort of values teachers at least more than Alabama... anyway, at first the Doctor told him "90% cure with just surgery" and then removed the roof of his mouth and added radiation... after a year of mental illness and starvation and lots and lots and lots of doctors visits (every hour billable) Dad presents with throat cancer and the surgeon says, "no worries, I'll cut that out and you are going to be fine homey" and so he does. After months of suffering in recovery, Dad now has cancer in his lungs. My point is Dad's insurance has been billed millions in the last 15 months. And now they are hitting him with chemo and more radiation... very very expensive and he is already a dead man. I love my Dad, but the truth is there just isn't enough money in the world to spend millions on every dead person walking around.
Every diabetic in America has hundreds of billable medical hours in our system every year. Lets talk about addiction rehab and how 70% fail. That isn't treatment, its simply a shitty system that needs to be abandoned. But its BIG business, and very very lucrative. We could eliminate heart disease and type 2 diabetes by simply requiring food companies to make food that is actually digestible by the human gut. If we did that then universal healthcare or socialized medicine could be examined. But we have to get the corruption out of the healthcare system first. Healthcare is the biggest opponent to the marijuana lobby. Why? And when you answer that question you have everything you need to know about American healthcare. It has to be destroyed completely before it can be rebuilt, and trying to socialize this sick monster that greed has built is a freaking huge mistake.
Ginger root at $4/lb is more effective treatment for cancer than chemotherapy. And you guys want to make all of us share the costs so we can provide all the people with chemotherapy that is too expensive for even professionals to afford. No thank you, when American health care starts treating people the right way, then we can socialize it.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Rooster802 said:
Free health care for all... its a seductive thought. My father has sinus cancer. He was diagnosed just over a year ago. He has excellent insurance as a long standing public school teacher in a State that sort of values teachers at least more than Alabama... anyway, at first the Doctor told him "90% cure with just surgery" and then removed the roof of his mouth and added radiation... after a year of mental illness and starvation and lots and lots and lots of doctors visits (every hour billable) Dad presents with throat cancer and the surgeon says, "no worries, I'll cut that out and you are going to be fine homey" and so he does. After months of suffering in recovery, Dad now has cancer in his lungs. My point is Dad's insurance has been billed millions in the last 15 months. And now they are hitting him with chemo and more radiation... very very expensive and he is already a dead man. I love my Dad, but the truth is there just isn't enough money in the world to spend millions on every dead person walking around.
Every diabetic in America has hundreds of billable medical hours in our system every year. Lets talk about addiction rehab and how 70% fail. That isn't treatment, its simply a shitty system that needs to be abandoned. But its BIG business, and very very lucrative. We could eliminate heart disease and type 2 diabetes by simply requiring food companies to make food that is actually digestible by the human gut. If we did that then universal healthcare or socialized medicine could be examined. But we have to get the corruption out of the healthcare system first. Healthcare is the biggest opponent to the marijuana lobby. Why? And when you answer that question you have everything you need to know about American healthcare. It has to be destroyed completely before it can be rebuilt, and trying to socialize this sick monster that greed has built is a freaking huge mistake.
Ginger root at $4/lb is more effective treatment for cancer than chemotherapy. And you guys want to make all of us share the costs so we can provide all the people with chemotherapy that is too expensive for even professionals to afford. No thank you, when American health care starts treating people the right way, then we can socialize it.
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Tl;dr

But even scanning I did notice you said ginger root is better than chemo for curing cancer, that's beyond Kelly-Anne Conway stupid.

You don't get to talk anymore.
 
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schuylaar

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Rob Roy said:
So you think it is okay for person(s) A to make person B labor for the benefit of another person even if person B would prefer not to ?

Isn't that a definition for slavery?
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You don't get to choose on an individual basis what is done with your tax dollars.

Asking the same question over and over with the expectation of different answer IS the definition of insanity.
 
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