Rooster802
Active Member
No big fan of Big Pharma. For myself, I maintain physical well being, I do eat the right foods and don't take anything because I don't need to. Not responding in defense of big pharma. The way they structure their business to maximize profit and suppress smarter ways towards good health is a major reason why our health care system is fucked. For instance, I do not doubt that studies regarding the effects of high cholesterol drugs and cholesterol in general were influenced if not designed by Big Pharma to benefit their business model and not actually advance our knowledge. As you point out we've recently learned drugs like Lipitor don't really help the patient. I'm willing to bet that the makers of Lipitor have a lobbying effort to cast doubt on this finding.
Just saying that prescription medicine does have it's place in health care. Also the underlying cause of the decline in health in the US has little to do with health care.
What I found shocking was your callous opening line about people dying without medication but the remaining population will be healthy. What you suggest is horrifying. Emphasizing economics as the limiting factor is also simple and wrong. Yes, there are limits but the focus has to be on people, facts, advancing knowledge, education and the reduction in economic stress in this society. Other societies operate just fine with socialized medicine, which is pretty much proof positive that your idea about this subject are your own and not factual.
Thank you for your intelligent response. I sincerely apologize for what you perceived to be a "callous" line. I was trying to make a point, not advocating the end of prescription medication. I am a huge believer in modern medicine when used correctly. I LOVE health care when the patient is put first, and the needs of the patient are all that matters. What we have today is bullshit, and you clearly acknowledge that. Yo, Fogdog, we are on the same team brother. I don't want anyone to die, I wasn't suggesting we should end it. I was simply stating that if we did, in the long run more people would be healthier. What I WANT to happen, is that we move to a sustainable healthy food model, that we eat the right foods so we don't get sick as often. Preventative medicine through proper diet. Its easy, and it is so much cheaper than our current system. Its a win-win for humanity. We can eliminate type 2 diabetes (really the only diabetes of concern anymore because so many have this acquired disease from consuming too much sugar), heart disease, and cut cancer by 75%. If we eliminated 90% of health care costs just by fixing our food... don't you think everyone would be a lot happier about socialized medicine if it cost 10% of what it costs today?
People misinterpret what I'm trying to say all the time. Everyone who has responded to me on this forum has misunderstood me. Obviously, that is my fault. I am a bit of a shut-in these days and I read and study a lot. Unfortunately that doesn't always lend to people who live in the real world understanding what I mean.
just want the best for everyone, and I truly believe that both the Republicans and Democrats have zero concept of what has to happen with healthcare first before we can even begin to discuss who is going to pay for it. And really, I just want you guys to know that you have the power to change your own lives without needing a Doctor to do it. I used to be on a handful of prescription meds (VA skittles), today I take cannabis oil I produce myself, as well as ginger and turmeric, and eat a mostly natural diet (although I love my PBR at the bar 3 times a week and once in a while I eat some Doritos... the beauty of consuming medicine in your diet is you can cheat if you want) and I'm so much healthier than I ever was when I followed medical advice and I no longer take any prescription pills. My BP is that of a teenager, and every other lab value is perfect... for the first time in my life. I fucked my wife three times in one day last week, and normally we have sex at least once a day. I'm 39 years old and a medically retired veteran with a broken back. Impossible? Yeah, one would think so if they talked to their doctor. And my brain is so much clearer....
My personal physician is a 300 lb woman in her 40's who just had a hip replacement. Do you think she is really qualified to tell me how to live? And the damn thing is she is a brilliant Doctor and a wonderful person... just has a faulty playbook. Thats what I'm trying to say. Guys, I've seen a lot of death. If I'm callous... well, it comes with the territory. And I'm sorry, I hate human suffering more than anything in the world, and modern American medicine prolongs human suffering for increased profits. And that is evil. IMHO