republicans are literally mentally retarded.

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ZaraBeth420 said:
Pada, I respect your opinion. But consider this when it comes to polls & Trump:

The American people were lied to by pollsters who claimed that Hillary had a big lead heading into the election. The mathematics behind polling is unquestionably valid, if they are conducted properly. And networks have been conducting polls for decades, so I know they know how to conduct them. Yet polls showed Hillary with a huge just days before the election, and I don't think Comey swung voters by that wide a margin.

Some polls showed Hillary with a 10-point lead just before the election. And IMHO, that was a lie by the liberal media aligned against Trump in order to dissuade Trump supporters from going to the polls.

Not that it was such a terrible idea, but hell, they should at least admit it.
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All the polls I saw before the election were just about neck and neck give or take a few percentage points;

 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
How many times did X politician screw up only for their constituents who support them to look past it?

Neither side holds them accountable. If they did, you wouldn't have people clamoring about a vote for X is a vote for Y...
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Are you really equating Trump's many lies and corrupt acts with politicians in general? Really? Very cowardly of you to avoid naming anybody.

You are unhinged, boy.
 
Fogdog

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ZaraBeth420 said:
Pada, I respect your opinion. But consider this when it comes to polls & Trump:

The American people were lied to by pollsters who claimed that Hillary had a big lead heading into the election. The mathematics behind polling is unquestionably valid, if they are conducted properly. And networks have been conducting polls for decades, so I know they know how to conduct them. Yet polls showed Hillary with a huge lead just days before the election, and I don't think Comey swung voters by that wide a margin.

Some polls showed Hillary with a 10-point lead just before the election. And IMHO, that was a lie by the liberal media aligned against Trump in order to dissuade Trump supporters from going to the polls.

Not that it was such a terrible idea, but hell, they should at least admit it.
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Huh? "some polls showed Hillary with a 10-point lead" -- lie by the liberal media. Based on what? Trump said so and you repeat it. Dude, you are missing some gears and the chain has slipped.

Was this a media lie too?


Rump said so.
 
Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Are you really equating Trump's many lies and corrupt acts with politicians in general? Really? Very cowardly of you to avoid naming anybody.

You are unhinged, boy.
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Why does congress routinely hold a single digit approval rating while if you ask individuals if they approve of their congressman/congresswoman, the overwhelming majority do?

Other politicians lie just as much and are just as corrupt, they're just better at hiding it than Trump is
 
tangerinegreen555

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Padawanbater2 said:

The reason Republicans dominate government is because the Democratic party has failed beyond epic proportions to represent their constituents as a whole.
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Gerrymandering, the 18th century EC, fake news, Russians, stupid gullable people, racism, voter ID laws, antiabortion super christians, and confederate rebel flag wavers had enough impact to fuck things up.

If the Democrat party was exactly the way you'd like to see it, all the above would still work against it.

The 2 parties fight for a narrow band of undecideds every cycle. Appeal to them and you win.

And when you do win (by 3 million votes), you might lose anyway.

It's just a tad more complicated than: 'because the Democratic party has failed beyond epic proportions to represent their constituents as a whole.'
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Why does congress routinely hold a single digit approval rating while if you ask individuals if they approve of their congressman/congresswoman, the overwhelming majority do?

Other politicians lie just as much and are just as corrupt, they're just better at hiding it than Trump is
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So, you are equating Trump's corruption with politicians in general?
 
Big_Lou

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tangerinegreen555 said:
Gerrymandering, the 18th century EC, fake news, Russians, stupid gullable people, racism, voter ID laws, antiabortion super christians, and confederate rebel flag wavers had enough impact to fuck things up.

If the Democrat party was exactly the way you'd like to see it, all the above would still work against it.

The 2 parties fight for a narrow band of undecideds every cycle. Appeal to them and you win.

And when you do win (by 3 million votes), you might lose anyway.

It's just a tad more complicated than: 'because the Democratic party has failed beyond epic proportions to represent their constituents as a whole.'
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I'm gerrymandering four fingers up zarajack's butthole as I type this....
 
Padawanbater2

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tangerinegreen555 said:
Gerrymandering, the 18th century EC, fake news, Russians, stupid gullable people, racism, voter ID laws, antiabortion super christians, and confederate rebel flag wavers had enough impact to fuck things up.

If the Democrat party was exactly the way you'd like to see it, all the above would still work against it.
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I disagree. Take gerrymandering. It's a powerful tool, no doubt about it, but what just happened in the special election in Kansas where a Berniecrat was running against a TEA party Trump supporter? Trump won the district by something like 30 points against Clinton, James Thompson, the Dem, was able to close that gap by single digits 46/54. Although he lost, he proved a valuable point, along with Sanders campaign; you don't have to accept big money to win elections under the right conditions. Neither candidate had the backing of their respective national political parties, and both candidates were ignored or disparaged by the mainstream media. Estes' slim win is a preview of what Republicans can expect in coming elections.
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The 2 parties fight for a narrow band of undecideds every cycle. Appeal to them and you win.
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Do you appeal to them by condemning the opposing party or by offering a pragmatic platform that appeals to them?
 
tangerinegreen555

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Padawanbater2 said:
I disagree. Take gerrymandering. It's a powerful tool, no doubt about it, but what just happened in the special election in Kansas where a Berniecrat was running against a TEA party Trump supporter? Trump won the district by something like 30 points against Clinton, James Thompson, the Dem, was able to close that gap by single digits 46/54. Although he lost, he proved a valuable point, along with Sanders campaign; you don't have to accept big money to win elections under the right conditions. Neither candidate had the backing of their respective national political parties, and both candidates were ignored or disparaged by the mainstream media. Estes' slim win is a preview of what Republicans can expect in coming elections.
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I'm not sure he proved a point by losing, though.
Also, I'm not up on the local impact of the election you mention, maybe he's popular there.

Also, Trump had less votes and managed to win.

That's one thing I always think of when you post reasons why we lost, and that the Democrats fucked up. We actually had more votes.
California is part of the US but their votes don't seem to count as much.
 
Padawanbater2

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tangerinegreen555 said:
I'm not sure he proved a point by losing, though.
Also, I'm not up on the local impact of the election you mention, maybe he's popular there.

Also, Trump had less votes and managed to win.

That's one thing I always think of when you post reasons why we lost, and that the Democrats fucked up. We actually had more votes.
California is part of the US but their votes don't seem to count as much.
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He proved a point by closing a 30 point gap to single digits in one of the reddest districts in the country without the help of the party or the media by campaigning on policy issues

Well, Republicans aren't going to change the EC system any time soon, so what do you suggest?
 
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