MR. NICE STRAINS AND SEEDS

I can also say I never said for a fact that he didn't lose some parents. I said I think he's been straight forward about the ones he's lost. For example one of the original hazes. I'm not sure if it's A or C but one is dead. G13 is dead. I say that because I've read his posts about it. Are there more could be. I would only state things about that I read from his post. Who lies about a dead parent. As for the others I know no better than anyone else. But I have absolutely no experience MYSELF to claim that other actually did die! And I wouldn't gossip about a guys livelyhood. But if I bought seeds and grew an apple tree from them I'd dam sure tell you!
 
Hemphill420 said:
You don't understand!The mother's and Father's were given to cultivators choice to produce the very strains they would sell.Cultivators choice was subcontracted to produce seeds for Greenhouse and other Dutch seed companies,in order to do that the were given the plants to produce them.
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That's something I'm sure some breeders did. There's a bunch of knuckleheads out there. But unless you have proof of it I wouldn't put any breeders name to it.

Are you saying you know the owner of choice and he told you shanti or any other breeder brought this guy cuts of their parent stock. Because until you show me facts on that about MNS or ANYONE else I wouldn't believe it. Just like I don't believe much else without proof!

But I'm sure some people did that. But I wouldn't do it. And I think any good breeder wouldn't either. You'd be out of business. Flooding the market with genetics isn't always the best business practice. Diamonds aren't as rare as everyone thinks. But because they do they keep paying for them.
 
Chimera,a highly trusted and respected breeder is the owner/partner of Breeders Retail and if he believes this information to be true and is spreading it(that C.choice was contracted by Greenhouse to produce seed),than I have good reason to believe it.
 
Well that's it there's proof. Wasn't it you telling me I believe everything I read? I don't know who that is you're talking about. Nor does it matter. That's where I always would go to for facts ---> the competition. Listen I really don't care. MNS can defend themselves. I'm no paid spokesmen.

Hell Im starting to think you're his compitition. And just joined here to shit on him. If you're not happy that's fine. Move on. Because if you're that unhappy with his gear you must feel like you've waste time growing it. So my question is why are you wasting more time talking about it?

Because at this point I wouldn't believe a word you said. This started with you stating genetics are EXACTLY the same. Even come up with a reason. Now either people believe it or they don't. Now rather than understanding you miss spoke you want to talk about MNS parents.

Bringing up greenhouse to account for MNS haze C. Sunk your opinion as far as I'm concerned. Not that I ever bought it! If greenhouse EVER had haze C and the others. Why is it that guy couldn't reproduce the seeds when that partnership fell apart? You don't have to dig far to find someone who bought that bullshit! Those people are numerous.

If your goal is to spread that story or shit on MNS why don't you go create a thread and let that anger out.

Peace out!
 
lost parents, only afew know the real truth.. let's say he did.. how's his gear so much more complex? Grow his gear, There's a reason why we still do..
 
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greencropper said:
just won some Critical Mass + Critical Skunk on auction...looking for some quality fatties to pollen chuck with a few others next season...happy i picked them up for about half list price of buy it now!
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They've put up some new crosses recently. My fridge is full MNS seeds. But after 5 years I'm going to be starting with some other gear. I'm throwing some pollen around now. I'll have S1s of my favs and crosses of them as well. It's just time for me to change it up a little. Other than some freebies all I've grown is MNS gear. I'm not disappointed just to be clear. It's just time for me to mix it up. After I've cracked some other strains I'll be coming back to the new skunk.
 
My Ortega is chopped and hanging right now. I chop at the ground and hang the whole plant. So I didn't do much looking yet. From what I have seen 2 of my 8 females did throw off a few bananas. But from all the posts I've read about it being herm prone. I wouldn't agree with that. I've had 3-4 herms over the last 5 years. NONE of them from Ortega. I've run over half the strains they have. And every once in a while I do see a plant that has a few bananas. Always very late in flower and they've never resulted in more than the occasional seed. Usually right next to the banana. It has never ever spread throughout my rooms or tents. From my package of Ortega I can't say it's hermie prone. I would say you'll find a few bananas on some of them. But from the reports I read they make it sound like every plant will be half male and half female. I didn't have ANYTHING close to that! My yield will be less than anything else I've run but that's because I didn't let them veg. I didn't want to waste the time if the reports were true.

If anyone asked my opinion about running them I'd tell them to forget the reports of hermies. But I would tell them to have the tweezers on hand because in the last 2 weeks you might have to pick a few bananas.
 
goldberg71b said:
They've put up some new crosses recently. My fridge is full MNS seeds. But after 5 years I'm going to be starting with some other gear. I'm throwing some pollen around now. I'll have S1s of my favs and crosses of them as well. It's just time for me to change it up a little. Other than some freebies all I've grown is MNS gear. I'm not disappointed just to be clear. It's just time for me to mix it up. After I've cracked some other strains I'll be coming back to the new skunk.
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awesome..you must have really liked MNS!, did you grow out Critical Mass & Critical Skunk? if so what would you say about those 2?
 
greencropper said:
awesome..you must have really liked MNS!, did you grow out Critical Mass & Critical Skunk? if so what would you say about those 2?
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Yes I did grow a few of each of them. The word I'd use with them is commercial. Meaning they're mainly focused on size and speed. Like I said I've grown more than half of them. I don't do enter grows of one strain. So I've got multiple strains in more than one spot. So I've always got a good variety on hand. So when I have grown those there's always been something I've liked more. Because they are larger and fairly easy to clean and I had things I liked better around they were usually the first out the door. I got no complaints from the patients. I've got more beans of each of them. I generally pop 8-10 seeds per strain so I've got 1/2 to 2/3 pack of critical mass and most of long straw of critical skunk ( spring cleaning so those packs weigh a gram) But I put stars by the ones I like and when it is time to pop something it depends on why I'm popping when they'll get popped. Stars get popped when I'm looking for a different/better cut for myself. Strains without a star get popped when patients ask for a specific strain or simple a change. So I wouldn't pop either of those for me. But when I need to mix things up for others I will. Some patients want larger buds and a good price these would be go to strains for that. Ive read both have phenos well worth keeping. I just didn't find them in my 6 or so females I ran. Six may not be enough to find that special pheno. But it is enough to get a feeling for what's in the strain.
 
greencropper said:
cheers man, appreciate the tip, i got plenty of light to medium yielders in stock, but i need some heavy producers too now, so the attraction to Critical Mass & Critical Skunk
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Watch humidity late in flower. They both have larger dense buds. So if you let the humidity get to high without air movement you're asking for trouble.
 
goldberg71b said:
Watch humidity late in flower. They both have larger dense buds. So if you let the humidity get to high without air movement you're asking for trouble.
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thanks for the info...though im outdoors so its all in the hands of mother nature...good thing is its a semi-arid zone so i can usually scrape through with some plumpers where in the more humid zones thats a no-no
 
goldberg71b said:
Yes I did grow a few of each of them. The word I'd use with them is commercial. Meaning they're mainly focused on size and speed. Like I said I've grown more than half of them. I don't do enter grows of one strain. So I've got multiple strains in more than one spot. So I've always got a good variety on hand. So when I have grown those there's always been something I've liked more. Because they are larger and fairly easy to clean and I had things I liked better around they were usually the first out the door. I got no complaints from the patients. I've got more beans of each of them. I generally pop 8-10 seeds per strain so I've got 1/2 to 2/3 pack of critical mass and most of long straw of critical skunk ( spring cleaning so those packs weigh a gram) But I put stars by the ones I like and when it is time to pop something it depends on why I'm popping when they'll get popped. Stars get popped when I'm looking for a different/better cut for myself. Strains without a star get popped when patients ask for a specific strain or simple a change. So I wouldn't pop either of those for me. But when I need to mix things up for others I will. Some patients want larger buds and a good price these would be go to strains for that. Ive read both have phenos well worth keeping. I just didn't find them in my 6 or so females I ran. Six may not be enough to find that special pheno. But it is enough to get a feeling for what's in the strain.
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great stuff man!...i will be outcrossing both the Critical Mass & Critical Skunk to enhance the quality of smoke as well
btw are you venturing into the new releases from MNS such as the Roadkill Skunk etc?
 
greencropper said:
great stuff man!...i will be outcrossing both the Critical Mass & Critical Skunk to enhance the quality of smoke as well
btw are you venturing into the new releases from MNS such as the Roadkill Skunk etc?
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I've got 75 beans of the NEW SKUNK. It's going to be my next MNS strain I run. Originally I was going to crack 25 seeds of them. But I changed course. About a month ago for no specific reason I just decided it was time for me to try something different. Originally I started with MNS for a couple of reasons. Number 1 is ever since I saw the first white widow pics I swore I was going to try these guys sometime in life.

Before I made the leap I did a lot of reading. Everyone has to make a choice for their own reasons. My thinking was simple. I don't want anyone copying my work and stealing my customers. Many seed companies bought seeds from them and started a business copying their work and changing names. Personally I'll avoid that if I can.

Secondly I don't like people making choices for me. Any company who sells strains that originated from MNS has selected phenos along the way. In doing so they're also removing some traits at the same time. So I'd rather do the selecting myself.

Even though Nevil has since left at the time he was still part of it. Between him an shanti having all the parents that made greenhouse seeds famous. As well as having put in the actual work growing them. Who else better to trust? There aren't many people with the experience those 2 have.

Third my God have you seen the prices on the auction site? I was patient and I just kept an eye open and picked up everything I wanted when the price was right. Very rarely did I pay more than 1/2 price. And as a beginner I could know I got the real genetics striaght for the guys themselves. Who more than them want to make sure people get what they're paying for in a pack of their seeds? Some wholesalers won't send seeds in breeders packs. How am I really supposed to know they didn't switch my seeds with some bags seeds they got?
 
goldberg71b said:
I've got 75 beans. It's going to be my next MNS strain I run. Originally I was going to crack 25 seeds of them. But I changed course. About a month ago for no specific reason I just decided it was time for me to try something different. Originally I started with MNS for a couple of reasons. Number 1 is ever since I saw the first white widow pics I swore I was going to try these guys sometime in life.

Before I made the leap I did a lot of reading. Everyone has to make a choice for their own reasons. My thinking was simple. I don't want anyone copying my work and stealing my customers. Many seed companies bought seeds from them and started a business copying their work and changing names. Personally I'll avoid that if I can.

Secondly I don't like people making choices for me. Any company who sells strains that originated from MNS has selected phenos along the way. In doing so they're also removing some traits at the same time. So I'd rather do the selecting myself.

Even though Nevil has since left at the time he was still part of it. Between him an shanti having all the parents that made greenhouse seeds famous. As well as having put in the actual work growing them. Who else better to trust? There aren't many people with the experience those 2 have.

Third my God have you seen the prices on the auction site? I was patient and I just kept an eye open and picked up everything I wanted when the price was right. Very rarely did I pay more than 1/2 price. And as a beginner I could know I got the real genetics striaght for the guys themselves. Who more than them want to make sure people get what they're paying for in a pack of their seeds? Some wholesalers won't send seeds in breeders packs. How am I really supposed to know they didn't switch my seeds with some bags seeds they got?
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be great to see those new Roadkills...but for sure variety is the spice of life, i can bet if you were on this site years ago you would have ventured out & tried others sooner, theres some great skilled growers here growing out types id never heard of that are true fire, at the end of the day lifes too short to waste time growing b-grade gear, before i joined this site i knew very little about other types apart from high times magazine hype, being in backwoods out of the mainstream...now im growing killer genetics thanks to the people on this site who have trod the hard paths before me
 
greencropper said:
be great to see those new Roadkills...but for sure variety is the spice of life, i can bet if you were on this site years ago you would have ventured out & tried others sooner, theres some great skilled growers here growing out types id never heard of that are true fire, at the end of the day lifes too short to waste time growing b-grade gear, before i joined this site i knew very little about other types apart from high times magazine hype, being in backwoods out of the mainstream...now im growing killer genetics thanks to the people on this site who have trod the hard paths before me
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That sounds scary to me. I've read people trading and shit. But I couldn't do it myself. I'm a glass half full kind of guy. So I'd expect that to end bad for me. So take the legal risks out of it. The time and energy into growing. I'm not sure I could just take the word of someone on here. That's not like trading info.

I can tell an inexperienced grower and simply avoid advise. But there's more to seeds than just pollen. I'm not saying people can't and don't do it. I know they do and many might do it well. But just crossing two big names together doesn't insure success. You can find some fire in bag seeds. But the time and energy to do so might not be the most cost efficient way to go. So I'd see a trade on genetics a huge risk of my time with no assurances that the seeds are what they're said to be. I guess I'm not lucky enough to meet anyone willing to trade killer genetics so it's a bridge I have not even considered.

My first rule is don't involve anyone in my business. So there's no conceivable way for me to receive this treat without revealing myself to risks I'm not willing to take.
 
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