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JDMase

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Hey guys, some of you might have seen my grow journal, going to continue it here where I can focus on a trellis grow, and get some tips and advice.

My trellis is on the way and I'll be hanging a 600w HPS in the middle of my 1mx1mx2m tent. The trellis will be on the back, left and right hand side walls and I'll tie each to said trellis as it grows.

My first question is: how should I train my plants from now on?

I have hit around 8 weeks on my two biggest (kings Kush the tallest at around 2ft, and my small black dog kush on the right) and I don't know whether to top or anything?

Strains at around 5 weeks include tangie, candy kush, Pineapple Express and grapefruit krush.

Thanks!
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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i don't have a lot of experience at this myself, but i do have a lot of interest and have been reading up and watching what other people have been doing for a while now.
i'd say its time to get your plants involved with your screen , you want them to start growing in towards the light asap, all the growth they've done in the other direction is already wasted effort. i'f you're going to top them, do it now and give them at least a week to get over it before you flip them to 12/12.
don't know if you've only got the one area, if you have a separate veg and flower area, i'd leave the smaller ones to veg a while longer before i flipped them, but get them growing into the screen as soon as you get it
 
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't have a lot of experience at this myself, but i do have a lot of interest and have been reading up and watching what other people have been doing for a while now.
i'd say its time to get your plants involved with your screen , you want them to start growing in towards the light asap, all the growth they've done in the other direction is already wasted effort. i'f you're going to top them, do it now and give them at least a week to get over it before you flip them to 12/12.
don't know if you've only got the one area, if you have a separate veg and flower area, i'd leave the smaller ones to veg a while longer before i flipped them, but get them growing into the screen as soon as you get it
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Yep! I agree. The screen comes in two days and I'll be bending that big girl right in there.

Im also awaiting my smaller tent to arrive which I'll put my smaller ones in to continue veg under the 315w CMH.
 
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Sorry for the quality but here we go, Kings kush tied back against a trellis, it's about a metre tall and ive got a metre in width too, veg is just over 2 months now.

Ive got it with a 600w HPS hung vertically but ive not got a bulb holder without a wing attached. Ive just bent the wing right back which is actually good for when I wanna go in there as im not using the front wall anyway.


Still under veg time schedule at the moment but I'll switch to flower soon, although Id really like to fill the full 2metres tall. The stretch im anticipating is around 30%.


Should I flip yet or fill the full height?
 
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Some lights off picthres, can see my kings Kush on the left wall, black dog on the right. A auto candy kush that I didn't realise was an auto, which started to flower whilst still in its 3" starter cube! I put it in the 6 inch Hugo and hoped for the best but it looks like that's going to be a micro plant lol.

You can see my light set up too, not ideal but will do for now. Struggling with temps so my tent door is always open during lights on. Still hitting temps of 28c +. Not sure how to fix it.

Still have them on a veg cycle whilst I figure out where to put the candy kush and the other photo I couldn't fit in my small tent for now.
 

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JDM

I might make a suggestion here if you don't mind.
First, remove the bulb from the wing or buy you a fixture for bare bulb.
Second, you should hang your filter and exhaust fan at the top of the tent, the way it is setup not you have to pull the hot air back down around your plant before it is sucked into the filter. That should help with your heat problems.
Third, you can, if the plants are ready for flower, block up the shorter plants to match the height of the tallest. I have had to do that when doing multiple strains.

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Hey man this is just my observations, I could be off base for what your plans are, but that is what I would do.

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gr865 said:
JDM

I might make a suggestion here if you don't mind.
First, remove the bulb from the wing or buy you a fixture for bare bulb.
Second, you should hang your filter and exhaust fan at the top of the tent, the way it is setup not you have to pull the hot air back down around your plant before it is sucked into the filter. That should help with your heat problems.
Third, you can, if the plants are ready for flower, block up the shorter plants to match the height of the tallest. I have had to do that when doing multiple strains.

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Hey man this is just my observations, I could be off base for what your plans are, but that is what I would do.

GR
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Really great suggestions. The Wing I thought I could "wing it" (haha). But until I get paid Friday ive got no money to get a new bulb holder Without the wing connected to it.

Im glad you mentioned that about the fan. Unfortunately I already tried but the supplied cable and plug is very short, impossible for me to place it anywhere else unless I either 1, rewire it with a longer cable or 2, flip the fan and place it outside the tent so it sucks the air out. Im not sure if that would be good to do with the carbon filter though? Any thoughts?

I like how you block up the plants, something I may do, currently I would just be flowering the two that are on each walls, the others will come out, I may just bias the bulb to be between them both? So the smaller one would have the top beaches closest to the bulb and the taller plant have the light closer to the mid to bottom braches, do you think that would be ok to do or not??
 
coreywebster

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JDMase said:
Really great suggestions. The Wing I thought I could "wing it" (haha). But until I get paid Friday ive got no money to get a new bulb holder Without the wing connected to it.

Im glad you mentioned that about the fan. Unfortunately I already tried but the supplied cable and plug is very short, impossible for me to place it anywhere else unless I either 1, rewire it with a longer cable or 2, flip the fan and place it outside the tent so it sucks the air out. Im not sure if that would be good to do with the carbon filter though? Any thoughts?

I like how you block up the plants, something I may do, currently I would just be flowering the two that are on each walls, the others will come out, I may just bias the bulb to be between them both? So the smaller one would have the top beaches closest to the bulb and the taller plant have the light closer to the mid to bottom braches, do you think that would be ok to do or not??
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Take the reflector apart, its just a couple of nuts and bolts? Should be able to use that part of the bulb holder as a hanging devise.

Use an extension cord for the fan? Or take one apart and rewire using the longer wire or butcher what you can salvage together using connector blocks which are pence each. Wire costs about £1.20 a meter at wilkco or BnQ.
You can have the fan outside with filter inside if that's easier to do.

Also put your thermometer out of direct light. You might find its not as hot as it appears.

Nice mesh.. I have some of the same. Yet to use it but the spacing looked good when I bought it.
 
gr865

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coreywebster said:
Take the reflector apart, its just a couple of nuts and bolts? Should be able to use that part of the bulb holder as a hanging devise.

Use an extension cord for the fan? Or take one apart and rewire using the longer wire or butcher what you can salvage together using connector blocks which are pence each. Wire costs about £1.20 a meter at wilkco or BnQ.
You can have the fan outside with filter inside if that's easier to do.

Also put your thermometer out of direct light. You might find its not as hot as it appears.

Nice mesh.. I have some of the same. Yet to use it but the spacing looked good when I bought it.
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What he says, bongsmilie

Is there no way for you to hang the fan and filter at the top of the tent similar to what I did, you are really recirculating the hot air back down around the plants.

GR
 
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coreywebster said:
Take the reflector apart, its just a couple of nuts and bolts? Should be able to use that part of the bulb holder as a hanging devise.

Use an extension cord for the fan? Or take one apart and rewire using the longer wire or butcher what you can salvage together using connector blocks which are pence each. Wire costs about £1.20 a meter at wilkco or BnQ.
You can have the fan outside with filter inside if that's easier to do.

Also put your thermometer out of direct light. You might find its not as hot as it appears.

Nice mesh.. I have some of the same. Yet to use it but the spacing looked good when I bought it.
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Appears that the wing itself is pop riveted on, would need a drill to get it off that way, if I unscrewed the holder itself then Id need to re solder the wires and ive got no soldering iron and if im honest ive never done it before! Heard it's pretty easy though.

I've already got it plugged in to an extension multiplug, I don't want to daisy chain another extension cord into it ive always been told that's bad news haha.

That might be the best route if im honest - new cord or extending the current one.

Yeah ive got two temperature gauges, the one on the fan and the one on the wall in the shade, both seem to tell the same story but the plants don't look too bad, compared to my veg tent with a CMH in, those two look stressed to fuck. This old 5" "vents TT" fan sucks. When I get some cash I'll get another rhino one, that thing is really worth the money with the thermostatic option.


Yeah the mesh was 15 quid off eBay, can't complain other than the fact I Ordered 5 metres when I needed 6. Was defo high when I clicked buy it now lol
 
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Poor tangie and Pineapple Express.

Got some clones too that are suffering. My gf accidentally smashed my CFL as we were setting it up.. She felt terrible haha.
 

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Also - not to mention that I had power cuts not too long ago making my lights intermittently turn off and on throughout the night, the CMH has a 15 minute buffer before it can turn back on, the HPS doesn't so I think that may be why they're looking really stressed too, but mainly the heat and light intensity is way too high.
 
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420producer said:
now what is holding up your trellis? the plant .? or is it connected to something else. thanks,
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So I had the idea of using cable ties attached to the bars at the top of the tent which add rigidity, the ones you can move. Then at the bottom ive just tied some more to the tent frame, seems to work nicely.
 
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