Obama to net $400K for Wall Street speech

ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
the burden of proof is on you to prove the illegality, otherwise it is not a bribe.

there is no burden of proof on me until you do that.

don't blur the definitions of words. idiots do that.
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This comment was made at the beginning of the thread in response to corporations 'donating' large sums to both candidates and the whole bribery conversation about Obama's speaking fees broke out in the interim.

I stand by the former, not the latter.

Making a bribe legal doesn't change it. Only idiots think that spending millions on campaigns doesn't get the donor special consideration.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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UncleBuck said:
the burden of proof is on you to prove the illegality, otherwise it is not a bribe.

there is no burden of proof on me until you do that.

don't blur the definitions of words. idiots do that.
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The financial institution totally don't sell tickets to the dinners the speakers perform at or anything.

The regressive left fails to understand it's profitable for everyone involved
...so they make it happen.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
This comment was made at the beginning of the thread in response to corporations 'donating' large sums to both candidates and the whole bribery conversation about Obama's speaking fees broke out in the interim.

I stand by the former, not the latter.

Making a bribe legal doesn't change it. Only idiots think that spending millions on campaigns doesn't get the donor special consideration.
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get used to the fact that well educated employees of CORPORATIONS! BIG CORPORATIONS! BAD CORPORATIONS! who live in diverse cities will donate millions and millions of dollars to democratic candidates. that does not mean that democrats are the party trying to loosen regulations on them. the opposite is true.

it's only a bribe if it's illegal or dishonest. there are millions of employees of BIG BAD CORPORATIONS who donates hundreds of millions of dollars to democrats every cycle. they do it not because they are ELITISTS! with big bad salaries, but because they belive in a leftist or even moderately left view. does not make them ESTABLISHMENT! at all.

and idiots are starting threads about president obama getting paid for a speech while the state department is using taxpayer dollars to promote mar-a-lago on a government website. whoever started this thread is a fucking idiot.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
get used to the fact that well educated employees of CORPORATIONS! BIG CORPORATIONS! BAD CORPORATIONS! who live in diverse cities will donate millions and millions of dollars to democratic candidates. that does not mean that democrats are the party trying to loosen regulations on them. the opposite is true.

it's only a bribe if it's illegal or dishonest. there are millions of employees of BIG BAD CORPORATIONS who donates hundreds of millions of dollars to democrats every cycle. they do it not because they are ELITISTS! with big bad salaries, but because they belive in a leftist or even moderately left view. does not make them ESTABLISHMENT! at all.

and idiots are starting threads about president obama getting paid for a speech while the state department is using taxpayer dollars to promote mar-a-lago on a government website. whoever started this thread is a fucking idiot.
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Straw man argument? I'm on record as saying I have nothing against corporations, only their ability to shovel cash into our political system.

I agree it must be done systemically.

Bribes are made illegal because of their ability to give special privileges to those who do it.

Legalizing the behavior does not alter its effects, which is to gain special access at the expense of others.

Corporate campaign cash, especially that which need not be disclosed, certainly meets the definition.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
Straw man argument? I'm on record as saying I have nothing against corporations, only their ability to shovel cash into our political system.

I agree it must be done systemically.

Bribes are made illegal because of their ability to give special privileges to those who do it.

Legalizing the behavior does not alter its effects, which is to gain special access at the expense of others.

Corporate campaign cash, especially that which need not be disclosed, certainly meets the definition.
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So why can't these employees of corporations donate the legal amount like everyone else? Why go through the corporation?

If I give you $100, and Buck gives you $10, whose interests are you more likely to represent?

Buck knows if we reform campaign finance, establishment Democrats like Manchin will lose because they're propped up by corporate money, not their constituents. If we ensure corporations can only legally donate the same amount as individuals, it would remove the incentive for politicians to represent corporations.

Keep in mind, these corporations are entities like Walmart who have a vested interest in a low minimum wage for their workers. ExxonMobil who have a vested interest in injecting doubt into the climate change argument and who are represented in government by people like Lamar Alexander who was the 5th US Secretary of Education and currently chairs the subcommittee on Energy and Water Development, James Inhofe who chairs the Senate Environment Committee. But there's totally no way the money these corporations give to politicians like this influence their votes in government! How preposterous is that! These companies totally spend these completely legal donations because they're just so nice! They totally don't expect anything in return. I mean, that might be both illegal and immoral under an independent review... But not under US law. I mean, has there ever been a law enacted by the US that was immoral? I can't think of one..

Critically politically naive. Nothing more need be said.

















Racist!
 
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