Vato_504

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So im wondering do chucked seeds grow better in the environment they were chucked in vs seeds from a breeder who had different conditions (better or worse). I remember @RM3 saying that you want to at least make & grow f2 out for this very reason. I kinda get it because most of the time breeder descriptions dont hold true & I dont necessarily blame it on the breeder either. It's just not possible for me to match their growing environment lol!!
That dude kinda loony toon but I don't think that plays a roll at all. Prime example look on IG at all the different breeders gear being grown out in different environments.
 

kmog33

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That dude kinda loony toon but I don't think that plays a roll at all. Prime example look on IG at all the different breeders gear being grown out in different environments.
I think room can absolutely play a role. More just a change in environment. With beans it should be negligible but I know whenever I pass my keepers out they change in whatever room they go to. Tahoe takes about 2 gens just to get used to whatever room she's in. I had to deal with it when I moved houses 13 miles over lol.

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Vato_504

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I think room can absolutely play a role. More just a change in environment. With beans it should be negligible but I know whenever I pass my keepers out they change in whatever room they go to. Tahoe takes about 2 gens just to get used to whatever room she's in. I had to deal with it when I moved houses 13 miles over lol.

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Damn so they didn't like my area. Lol
 

higher self

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That dude kinda loony toon but I don't think that plays a roll at all. Prime example look on IG at all the different breeders gear being grown out in different environments.
:lol:

He's iight just grumpy sometimes. I agree with @kmog33 I remember when I had my bro & his potna growing out cuts I gave them & it being totally different & they had same setup as I did. Maybe the plants just liked my energy better I dont know but it wasnt the same.

I just dont think the plants will turn out the same if im on an opposite coast & weather is a lot warmer/humid. Making seeds in these conditions would eventually make the progeny adapt especially if im doing selections.
 

Vato_504

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:lol:

He's iight just grumpy sometimes. I agree with @kmog33 I remember when I had my bro & his potna growing out cuts I gave them & it being totally different & they had same setup as I did. Maybe the plants just liked my energy better I dont know but it wasnt the same.

I just dont think the plants will turn out the same if im on an opposite coast & weather is a lot warmer/humid. Making seeds in these conditions would eventually make the progeny adapt especially if im doing selections.
That's why I don't wanna put plants outdoors. My area is high in humidity plus it rains a lot during the summer. Appetite for mold and bud root.
 

Barrie84

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Thats just bullshit believe me.....have pollen many strains last few years ( just a rookie believe me) and send them allong the world, i only grow on bio soil and the beans i made where growing on alot of substrate, rockwool, cocos....it dont matter believe me, its the experience (green thumbs) of the grower what matters
 

Barrie84

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Talking about a Moldresistent pheno ^^\ found this last year

Kinky Cheese #3 cut from my own (Shiva x BB Cheese) made by Eskobar

Inside bud:



Outside bud (fully pollinated with KC#2 and #5)



The remaining buds of her diddnt mold till 8 december ( cut her 6 weeks before that) and i live in the Netherlands....the rest of my outdoor remaining plants where rotten to the bone at that time...lol
 

higher self

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Thats just bullshit believe me.....have pollen many strains last few years ( just a rookie believe me) and send them allong the world, i only grow on bio soil and the beans i made where growing on alot of substrate, rockwool, cocos....it dont matter believe me, its the experience (green thumbs) of the grower what matters
Talking about a Moldresistent pheno ^^\ found this last year

Kinky Cheese #3 cut from my own (Shiva x BB Cheese) made by Eskobar

Inside bud:



Outside bud (fully pollinated with KC#2 and #5)



The remaining buds of her diddnt mold till 8 december ( cut her 6 weeks before that) and i live in the Netherlands....the rest of my outdoor remaining plants where rotten to the bone at that time...lol
I'm probably looking too much into it & im going to chuck n make selections anyways. While the temps here are still hot running sativa's indoor do well for me. It's only a pain when drying & curing but the plants like the tropical feel. My ass just needs to setup a drip system to keep them watered but even then they dont mind the dry soil.

Indica's are another story, I only have cookie's going nothing too dense.

I have noticed them adapt to the local environment. I don't think that this excludes them growing in other environments.
Yes I agree! I think f2's would open up more pheno's to find different plants one would want to select for. So bottom line is f2 arnt necessary for plants to grow well in different conditions.
 

greencropper

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Talking about a Moldresistent pheno ^^\ found this last year

Kinky Cheese #3 cut from my own (Shiva x BB Cheese) made by Eskobar

Inside bud:



Outside bud (fully pollinated with KC#2 and #5)



The remaining buds of her diddnt mold till 8 december ( cut her 6 weeks before that) and i live in the Netherlands....the rest of my outdoor remaining plants where rotten to the bone at that time...lol
damn that bud in the top pic looks just like my original reg BB Cheese which i crossed with a Mikado x Blueberry, some real power gear! here she is growing out now having just been pollinated with a Cannarado Barney Rubble(FPOG x Orange Cookies) male
IMG_6454.JPG
 

potroastV2

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I think room can absolutely play a role. More just a change in environment. With beans it should be negligible but I know whenever I pass my keepers out they change in whatever room they go to. Tahoe takes about 2 gens just to get used to whatever room she's in. I had to deal with it when I moved houses 13 miles over lol.

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You are correct KM. I asked my friend Ed Rosenthal something similar about 15 years ago. I said why do two cuttings from the same plant grown in different rooms grow differently? One has much more leaf than the other, and he said the leafy plant was given more Nitrogen during flowering.

So I think that even small differences in environment can cause plants to grow differently, and it's not because of the genetics.

:mrgreen:
 

kmog33

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You are correct KM. I asked my friend Ed Rosenthal something similar about 15 years ago. I said why do two cuttings from the same plant grown in different rooms grow differently? One has much more leaf than the other, and he said the leafy plant was given more Nitrogen during flowering.

So I think that even small differences in environment can cause plants to grow differently, and it's not because of the genetics.

:mrgreen:
Yeah, you mentioned feeding regimen too, ime if you overfeed k during veg, you can force plants to throw out healthy looking mutated growth. So my gg4 for instance I thought I put into flower but when I was cleaning my tent out I switched the timer to permanent on. For 2.5 weeks I didn't notice and gave flowering nutes. Got crazy deficient and started throwing out a lot of 9 bladed leaves(which I've never seen it do and it doesn't now that it's recovered).

It's really interesting, the things that can have an effect, but I notice Everything I grow in my room looks a little more Indy and the water leaves end up more bubbly and rounded than in my buddies setups growing the same cuts. Environment and feeding definitely play a role. Some plants are pickier than others. Cool to see imo.

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Mr.Head

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You are correct KM. I asked my friend Ed Rosenthal something similar about 15 years ago. I said why do two cuttings from the same plant grown in different rooms grow differently? One has much more leaf than the other, and he said the leafy plant was given more Nitrogen during flowering.

So I think that even small differences in environment can cause plants to grow differently, and it's not because of the genetics.

:mrgreen:
Look at this guy with the name drops :) :) :)

Yeah, you mentioned feeding regimen too, ime if you overfeed k during veg, you can force plants to throw out healthy looking mutated growth. So my gg4 for instance I thought I put into flower but when I was cleaning my tent out I switched the timer to permanent on. For 2.5 weeks I didn't notice and gave flowering nutes. Got crazy deficient and started throwing out a lot of 9 bladed leaves(which I've never seen it do and it doesn't now that it's recovered).

It's really interesting, the things that can have an effect, but I notice Everything I grow in my room looks a little more Indy and the water leaves end up more bubbly and rounded than in my buddies setups growing the same cuts. Environment and feeding definitely play a role. Some plants are pickier than others. Cool to see imo.

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This is interesting stuff. There's so many variables in environment bulbs, hoods, air circulation, etc.etc.etc. it would be hard to deduce exactly what the factors are, or how they contribute. Would be neat to have a whole bunch of 8x8 rooms with slightly different setups and the same clone to see what does what.
 

kmog33

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Look at this guy with the name drops :) :) :)


This is interesting stuff. There's so many variables in environment bulbs, hoods, air circulation, etc.etc.etc. it would be hard to deduce exactly what the factors are, or how they contribute. Would be neat to have a whole bunch of 8x8 rooms with slightly different setups and the same clone to see what does what.
I have a secret theory that the plants also respond to your personal vibe/needs. I need to eat and sleep, everything in my room seems to grow accordingly. :)

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