Aliens....Do You Believe?

[ttystikk]

That statement, in and of itself, completely contradicts the entire theory of evolution.

If you're going to buy in to evolution, you have to buy in to the idea that all things are created equal. That nature and chance dictate everything.

That's not true with humans. We had no better chance than anything else. In fact, your argument on its entire face is completely wrong.

Again: Dinosaurs alone had over a QUARTER OF A BILLION YEARS and couldn't amount to much. We've been around LESS THAN A MILLION. Literally, 1/1000th of the time.

Dinosaurs actually had a better world to live in than we did and couldn't pull it off. Not even close.

Your problem is that you keep making statements like most humans do: you by default assume we were superior from the get go.

If that is true, then you just blew the entire theory of evolution out of the water...because nature doesn't play favorites.

If it is false (and it is) then there is some missing information that explains us that we don't yet know.

Not surprisingly, the later is true. We know more about a T-Rex than we do about us. How the hell is that possible?

This is going to sound weird, but in order to see the universe in it's pure state, you have to step outside your humanity. Be the T-Rex. Ask questions from his point of view.

Why were we so "magically" favored? How is that even possible in a true evolutionary system?

Answer: it isn't.

Have you read Darwin's Origin of Species? I have. I've read up quite a bit on evolution.

Nothing I've said above contradicts evolutionary theory in any way.

Dinosaurs were not intelligent species, even if they were well suited to their environment. In fact, evolutionary theory clearly states that evolution happens quickly, in steps, often big ones, in response to a change in environment.

The only animal that deliberately changes its own environment- by altering it- are humans.

The rest is accelerating technological development and the geometric curve of knowledge growth over time is the evidence.

T-Rex was a classic apex predator, once it assumed the top spot there was no need to change.

 

[greg nr]

No predator is greater than man. No predator in history has ever killed more than us. And, again, we've done it in a FRACTION of the time.

But man didn't start there, and we doubtfully would have evolved the same way in the face of withering predation. Sure, we had to deal with lions and tigers and bears (ho-ho), but they were pussycats compared to what was around with the dino's. We got to grow up in a golden era where we could outnumber, and eventually out think, our competition. That wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a mass extinction.

Sorry, we just weren't that special at the beginning. We aren't even that special now. We don't even have much time left. Special? Maybe the next super species will think at least kindly of us.

 

[abalonehx]

Omg so humanity de-evolved like how many years when they voted for a huge orange Turd? 70 years? We are now
at the start of a new drug war and state of complete redneck idiocy.... damn...maybe aliens can destroy the planet
before it gets too fuck up?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i believe there are other planets with life on them in the universe, probably a whole lot of them. i do not believe they give a flying fuck at a rolling rats asshole about us, if any of them are even aware we exist.
i don't think the "engineers" came and set us apart, i think we evolved just like everything else, we were just more successful at it. no magic, no alien science, just random chance smiling on us

 

[Altered State]

We are but one planet enjoying its Sun there is Par light all over the universe inviting life and plants to grow in a otherwise cold and dark universe.

The Stars don't lie its that simple there are plenty of Suns to warm and provide Par light for life throughout the universe.

Par Light

 

[ttystikk]

We are but one planet enjoying its Sun there is Par light all over the universe inviting life and plants to grow in a otherwise cold and dark universe.

The Stars don't lie its that simple there are plenty of Suns to warm and provide Par light for life throughout the universe.

Par Light

This is gibberish.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

light is just one factor in the possibility of life on another planet. available water is the biggest factor, an atmosphere is next, life can evolve in total darkness, and does, so light is actually pretty far down the scale of things necessary for life on other planets

of course thats assuming they have the same requirements that we do, life could have evolved in an ammonia atmosphere, or methane, or hexane......or even no atmosphere,its a big universe(one of many)...lots of things are possible

 

[TacoMac]

Have you read Darwin's Origin of Species? I have.

So have I.

available water is the biggest factor

Only for our type of life. We've recently discovered ammonia based life forms that don't require water at all, nor carbon.

Again, that's the problem with the vast majority of humans: they constantly limit themselves by assuming all life must be like them.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

So have I.



Only for our type of life. We've recently discovered ammonia based life forms that don't require water at all, nor carbon.

Again, that's the problem with the vast majority of humans: they constantly limit themselves by assuming all life must be like them.

why don't you quote the rest of my post? where i say essentially the same thing

 

[Altered State]

This is gibberish.

Really tell that to all the life on our planet

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

par is photosynthetically active radiation. its important for the kind of life that evolved on our planet.
this in no way means that its required in any way, shape, or form for life to evolve in different circumstances.
there are organisms living at the bottom of our oceans that NEVER see any par.

 

[Altered State]

The type of life we would likely recognize as humanoid would have come from a planet much like our own....I agree with your statement in that life will likely come in many forms we do not yet know of but that should not exclude life only include more types.

 

[TacoMac]

In the end, I think we can all agree on one point: The idea that we are it in the universe is an untenable position.

 

[Altered State]

If you make an assertion, especially one that flies in the face of accepted wisdom, it's not on anyone to disprove it; it's on you to provide credible evidence.

If you don't, you should not be surprised when people think you're full of shit.

My assertion is the commonly accepted one; that humans evolved from earthly ancestors without outside influence. There's lots of evidence to show this is true and no conclusive proof to the contrary.

So it's on you. Calling me ignorant or unwilling to believe in what's essentially an alien conspiracy theory without a shred of proof is just plain silly.

Your problem is that you think its my "duty" somehow to spend time spoon feeding information to you when all I did was post FOOD FOR THOUGHT as was mentioned in the first sentence of the post.

 

[ttystikk]

Really tell that to all the life on our planet

But it doesn't apply to all life on our planet; check out the ecosystems around deep ocean vents. No light required.

 

[ttystikk]

The type of life we would likely recognize as humanoid would have come from a planet much like our own....I agree with your statement in that life will likely come in many forms we do not yet know of but that should not exclude life only include more types.

This is self limiting.

 

[ttystikk]

Your problem is that you think its my "duty" somehow to spend time spoon feeding information to you when all I did was post FOOD FOR THOUGHT as was mentioned in the first sentence of the post.

Well- forgive me for not taking your fantasies and wild conjecture more seriously.

 

[ttystikk]

In the end, I think we can all agree on one point: The idea that we are it in the universe is an untenable position.

I think we can all agree on this.

Whether it's ever been here for a look, let alone to meddle is another question entirely and I haven't seen evidence of it.

The idea that the Galaxy is too big for us to ever meet other intelligent life is very sad.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

I'm more certain there once were giants than aliens.

What if we're the giants and little people are running around hiding in holes.

 

[ttystikk]

What if we're the giants and little people are running around hiding in holes.

My dog is an alternative life form. He's definitely more advanced than we humans.