New to rdwc need advice

Budley Doright

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I hate using the stuff @ 35%, it's fucking lethal getting on your skin lol. Honestly by keeping the res cool I have not had any need for any thing. H2O2 was my goto additive when I started out in hydro. I've got a 5 gallon pail sitting in the lab just waiting to leak lol.
 

Budley Doright

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the weak stugg you buy at the grocery store

if you got the 33%+ stuff I think its 1mls per gallon

but youll want to double check my math

is the store bought stuff 3%...cant remember

its still not a guarantee itll keep you from getting root issues but it helps a lot
Yup store bought is 3% and I added 10 ml of the stuff I have to 25 gallons and nope the girls were not at all happy lol. They lived but their bigger leaves curled up and died lol.
 

im4satori

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Yup store bought is 3% and I added 10 ml of the stuff I have to 25 gallons and nope the girls were not at all happy lol. They lived but their bigger leaves curled up and died lol.
im not sure im understanding

are you saying you added 10mls of 3% h202 to a 25 gallon reservoir and you believe this had a negative effect on your girls?

or are you saying you added 10mls per gallon to a 25 gallon res = a total of 250mls? and that had a negative effect?
 

Budley Doright

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im not sure im understanding

are you saying you added 10mls of 3% h202 to a 25 gallon reservoir and you believe this had a negative effect on your girls?

or are you saying you added 10mls per gallon to a 25 gallon res = a total of 250mls? and that had a negative effect?
I added 10mls of 35% to 25 gallons :). And yes they were not happy lol
 

im4satori

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I added 10mls of 35% to 25 gallons :). And yes they were not happy lol
is it possible there was something else going on that made them unhappy?

ive dosed well over the recommendations with no issues

im not even careful about measuring... sometimes I will just pour half a bottle and call it close enough and after over a decade never ever did any damage to my plants with h202
 

Budley Doright

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Nope pretty sure that was the issue and I know huh .... it was 10 ml, I used a suringe to measure. I came out to look at them in the morning and all 6 were fucked up. I haven't used it since then. The reason I added it was I hadn't gotten the chiller going and temps were pushing 70 so as a preventative I added it. The one thing it did was light a fire under me to finish the machanical chiller lol.
 

im4satori

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Nope pretty sure that was the issue and I know huh .... it was 10 ml, I used a suringe to measure. I came out to look at them in the morning and all 6 were fucked up. I haven't used it since then. The reason I added it was I hadn't gotten the chiller going and temps were pushing 70 so as a preventative I added it. The one thing it did was light a fire under me to finish the machanical chiller lol.
chillers are great for healthy roots but it adds heat and takes power and there not cheap to purchase...and they break

when I first started I had a couple large ones and aside from the heat, power, and expense they where lovely

id consider one for an aero cloner maybe if I used one but ive found even the old school cloning method works great without all the trouble, pumps, power consumption, cleaning and chasing the water temps that an aero cloner brings...nope no thanks , been there done that! all I need is a nursery flat and a dome

I ended up solving all my issues with root disease by switching to drain to waste
no sterilizing agents
no bacterias
no chillers and absolutely no root issues

roots are as white as my teeth the day I harvest

flood and drain systems are notorious for root disease along with DWC if the water gets too warm
 

im4satori

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Nope pretty sure that was the issue and I know huh .... it was 10 ml, I used a suringe to measure. I came out to look at them in the morning and all 6 were fucked up. I haven't used it since then. The reason I added it was I hadn't gotten the chiller going and temps were pushing 70 so as a preventative I added it. The one thing it did was light a fire under me to finish the machanical chiller lol.
I don't mean to be argumentative in anyway

and I wont say much about it again after this post out of respect for your opinion

but
if h202 was burning up plants we would see others whom fucked up there shit with h202
and we really don't see that around

because it really difficult to fuck it up cuz the margin for error in measuring is large

even if you did over dose it, it would likely cause some damage to the root zone that you wouldn't notice and likely do nothing to the plants leaves unless you foliar fed it

I invite you to do a test on a single plant
next time you start a new set of plants grow an extra one and manually soak it in h202
 

OldMedUser

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I used 35% food grade for over 10 years in DWC often with nute temps getting close to 80F and the only time I got root rot was when I rooted the clones in real dirt instead of soilless. Twice a week I'd add 0.5ml/L or 2ml/USG as a maintenance dose. When I did get that root rot I mixed up some water with 2ml/L and poured it thru the net pots into the tub. I think I did about 4 treatments like that and all of the plants in that tub survived tho a couple never got back to good health.

A few years ago I made a DIY chiller out of a water cooler and stopped using the peroxide altogether. No problems keeping the temps right around 65F and the plants just loved it.

I use AN nutes and most of them have amino acids and other organic compounds in them that peroxide can damage so I'd rather not use it if I don't have to but would if root rot showed up as the peroxide will attack that first as it's anaerobic and lacks oxygen so the radical O atom is more easily drawn to it.

Roots.jpg

:peace:
 

Budley Doright

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IMG_4344.JPG Between my buried glycol loop and my mechanical chiller my water temps are a constant 65-66 and have not had any issues but if my temps get above 70 then all hell breaks loose for some reason :(.
 

Budley Doright

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chillers are great for healthy roots but it adds heat and takes power and there not cheap to purchase...and they break

when I first started I had a couple large ones and aside from the heat, power, and expense they where lovely

id consider one for an aero cloner maybe if I used one but ive found even the old school cloning method works great without all the trouble, pumps, power consumption, cleaning and chasing the water temps that an aero cloner brings...nope no thanks , been there done that! all I need is a nursery flat and a dome

I ended up solving all my issues with root disease by switching to drain to waste
no sterilizing agents
no bacterias
no chillers and absolutely no root issues

roots are as white as my teeth the day I harvest

flood and drain systems are notorious for root disease along with DWC if the water gets too warm
I hear and I struggled to justify the flooded root setup for that simple fact that I needed a chiller. Yes they are expensive but I have the capabilities to make them. Also for 3/4's if my season I use a passive chiller so two low wattage pumps. Again yup I thought long and hard lol. As for heat from the chiller, well if it's in the grow area then yes a huge waste as you now need to get rid of the heat from the water, from the room lol. I may still change the whole kit and caboodle and pretty much have everything including a couple of diaphragm injector pumps. My setup is in a remote building and infastructure is lacking with no running water except for garden hose and no dedicated drains.
 

Budley Doright

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I don't mean to be argumentative in anyway

and I wont say much about it again after this post out of respect for your opinion

but
if h202 was burning up plants we would see others whom fucked up there shit with h202
and we really don't see that around

because it really difficult to fuck it up cuz the margin for error in measuring is large

even if you did over dose it, it would likely cause some damage to the root zone that you wouldn't notice and likely do nothing to the plants leaves unless you foliar fed it

I invite you to do a test on a single plant
next time you start a new set of plants grow an extra one and manually soak it in h202
I know your not being argumentative and it surprised me as well, I've used it for years as well, but yes it was the peroxide, I'm positive and confused as well. If I could still get hydroguard here, as you cannot add to much, it did drain the wallet though lol, I would use it but can't so now it's nothing except cold water and my root mat is now about 5" thick and a 2.5' x 4.5' mat so doing well. Oh and the cost of running the .5 hp, 6500 btu chiller is about $20 a month and that's with the highest rated electricity in NA lol.
 

Budley Doright

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if your able to set the reservoir on the bare concrete floor itll lower the temp a couple degrees maybe
Ya there are ways that you can try and maintain lower temps and I've tried em all. Even with my passive glycol chiller, once the outdoor temps went consistently above 65 it was not reliable. Honestly my recommendation if using a flooded root zone setup is chill the water. I resisted for a few years but figured if I was going to continue down the flood drain road I needed a chiller. Really the cost to run is cheap when talking a couple of pounds at the end of the run. My biggest issue with adding one to the lab was the purchase price which up here is $700 plus for a new unit, Said fuck that and built one lol.
 

Budley Doright

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in my experience over sizing the chiller is a benefit
How so? Oversizing a chiller is probably the worst thing you can do for the chiller. Short cycling, energy waste, liquid slugging into compressor will all lead to premature failure of the equipment. The longer the cycle within reason & still have the ability to maintain the temps is best really.
 

im4satori

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How so? Oversizing a chiller is probably the worst thing you can do for the chiller. Short cycling, energy waste, liquid slugging into compressor will all lead to premature failure of the equipment. The longer the cycle within reason & still have the ability to maintain the temps is best really.
maybe im wrong

im not going to debate

but I felt like the manufacturers ratings for how many gallons it could chill where fat
 
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