National Popular Vote Bill gets a little closer to realization

[Fogdog]

Explanation:
The National Popular Vote bill has now passed a total of 35 state legislative chambers in 23 states. The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes). It has been enacted into law in 11 states possessing 165 electoral votes (CA, DC, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NY, RI, VT, WA). The bill will take effect when enacted by states possessing an additional 105 electoral votes.
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

The bill has passed in Oregon house on May 24, 2017 and sent on to Senate, which is also controlled by Democrats. The Governor has already said she would sign it. 7 more EC votes when she does. 98 EC votes more are needed to make the EC irrelevant.

Green indicates that the National Popular Vote bill has been enacted into law
Orange indicates passage by one legislative chamber
Yellow indicates passage by both legislative chambers (but in different years, and hence not enacted)
Blue indicates a hearing by at least one legislative committee
Gray indicates no hearing.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

 

[SneekyNinja]

Explanation:
The National Popular Vote bill has now passed a total of 35 state legislative chambers in 23 states. The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes). It has been enacted into law in 11 states possessing 165 electoral votes (CA, DC, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NY, RI, VT, WA). The bill will take effect when enacted by states possessing an additional 105 electoral votes.
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

The bill has passed in Oregon house on May 24, 2017 and sent on to Senate, which is also controlled by Democrats. The Governor has already said she would sign it. 7 more EC votes when she does. 98 EC votes more are needed to make the EC irrelevant.

Green indicates that the National Popular Vote bill has been enacted into law
Orange indicates passage by one legislative chamber
Yellow indicates passage by both legislative chambers (but in different years, and hence not enacted)
Blue indicates a hearing by at least one legislative committee
Gray indicates no hearing.

Winners win, only losers lose (by alot) and still get the job.

Delighted to see this, no more stupid archaic system designed to Trump democracy.

 

[ttystikk]

Fingers crossed...

 

[ttystikk]

Explanation:
The National Popular Vote bill has now passed a total of 35 state legislative chambers in 23 states. The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes). It has been enacted into law in 11 states possessing 165 electoral votes (CA, DC, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NY, RI, VT, WA). The bill will take effect when enacted by states possessing an additional 105 electoral votes.
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

The bill has passed in Oregon house on May 24, 2017 and sent on to Senate, which is also controlled by Democrats. The Governor has already said she would sign it. 7 more EC votes when she does. 98 EC votes more are needed to make the EC irrelevant.

Green indicates that the National Popular Vote bill has been enacted into law
Orange indicates passage by one legislative chamber
Yellow indicates passage by both legislative chambers (but in different years, and hence not enacted)
Blue indicates a hearing by at least one legislative committee
Gray indicates no hearing.

Help me out on the math? 270 votes among the States who passed this bill could still mean a split decision, decided by the EC votes of those who haven't passed it?

 

[Fogdog]

Help me out on the math? 270 votes among the States who passed this bill could still mean a split decision, decided by the EC votes of those who haven't passed it?

Can I not do the math and rely on a trusted source? If you can prove the following wrong, I'll have a great laugh with you.

538 electoral votes
The Twelfth Amendment requires the House of Representatives to immediately go into session to vote for a president if no candidate for president receives a majority of the electoral votes (since 1964, 270 of the 538 electoral votes).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

 

[ttystikk]

Can I not do the math and rely on a trusted source? If you can prove the following wrong, I'll have a great laugh with you.

538 electoral votes
The Twelfth Amendment requires the House of Representatives to immediately go into session to vote for a president if no candidate for president receives a majority of the electoral votes (since 1964, 270 of the 538 electoral votes).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

So no popular vote; instead we'll rely on the good judgement of our House of Representatives?

That doesn't make me feel a bit better.

 

[twostrokenut]

Explanation:
The National Popular Vote bill has now passed a total of 35 state legislative chambers in 23 states. The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes). It has been enacted into law in 11 states possessing 165 electoral votes (CA, DC, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NY, RI, VT, WA). The bill will take effect when enacted by states possessing an additional 105 electoral votes.
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

The bill has passed in Oregon house on May 24, 2017 and sent on to Senate, which is also controlled by Democrats. The Governor has already said she would sign it. 7 more EC votes when she does. 98 EC votes more are needed to make the EC irrelevant.

Green indicates that the National Popular Vote bill has been enacted into law
Orange indicates passage by one legislative chamber
Yellow indicates passage by both legislative chambers (but in different years, and hence not enacted)
Blue indicates a hearing by at least one legislative committee
Gray indicates no hearing.

why should we trust people who make maps out of Legos to make adult policy decisions?

 

[Fogdog]

So no popular vote; instead we'll rely on the good judgement of our House of Representatives?

That doesn't make me feel a bit better.

why should we trust people who make maps out of Legos to make adult policy decisions?

Jeezus. This is not math. This is arithmetic.

There are 538 electoral college votes in all

270>(538/2)

put another way,

270 is a majority of ec votes.

It's late on Saturday night and you two are excused.

 

[twostrokenut]

Jeezus. This is not math. This is arithmetic.

There are 538 electoral college votes in all

270>(538/2)

put another way,

270 is a majority of ec votes.

It's late on Saturday night and you two are excused.

A state gets as many ec votes as it has reps and senators, would you agree this is currently fact?

 

[Fogdog]

A state gets as many ec votes as it has reps and senators, would you agree this is currently fact?

There are 538 EC votes. You want to add them all up? Must be bored in your trailer.

You are excused. Drink some water, go to bed.

 

[ttystikk]

Jeezus. This is not math. This is arithmetic.

There are 538 electoral college votes in all

270>(538/2)

put another way,

270 is a majority of ec votes.

It's late on Saturday night and you two are excused.

No, it's a fair question, and not about the math at all. You said the decision would go to the US House of Representatives, correct?

If that's the case, what binds their votes to follow that of the citizens?

 

[SneekyNinja]

No, it's a fair question, and not about the math at all. You said the decision would go to the US House of Representatives, correct?

If that's the case, what binds their votes to follow that of the citizens?

You prance around all high and mighty thinking youre a reborn Einstein but you can't even do basic math.

 

[twostrokenut]

There are 538 EC votes. You want to add them all up? Must be bored in your trailer.

You are excused. Drink some water, go to bed.

Is it too hard for you? Its simply reps + senators. Then there's DC that gets 3 as a federal city having no representation in congress, which is why its not a state as you indicated in your OP. Do you want to change the number of reps in congress as well? How about those primaries?

 

[twostrokenut]

There are 3141 counties in the United States.
Hillary lost 3084 of them.

Because you math.

 

[Fogdog]

No, it's a fair question, and not about the math at all. You said the decision would go to the US House of Representatives, correct?

If that's the case, what binds their votes to follow that of the citizens?

look at the number of EC votes. If there is a tie, it goes to the house. A tie is 269. 270 is a majority.

Did I really have to say this?

 

[Fogdog]

There are 3141 counties in the United States.
Hillary lost 3084 of them.

Because you math.

Cows don't have the same rights as people do.

It's the President of the United States, not the president of mostly small states and counties with more cows than people. A majority is the proper way to select a president. The Senate is the body that represents mostly small states and counties with more cows than people.

Because you weak.

 

[Fogdog]

You prance around all high and mighty thinking youre a reborn Einstein but you can't even do basic math.

It's a matter of simple addition and division. It's not math at all. Simple arithmetic. Was this too hard to understand?

270 > (538/2)

I get it if there were a standard deviation in the equation, which almost nobody gets. But "five hundred thirty eight divided by two is less than two hundred seventy" is not hard for a fourth grader to understand. Maybe I'm giving people who post here too much credit.

 

[ttystikk]

look at the number of EC votes. If there is a tie, it goes to the house. A tie is 269. 270 is a majority.

Did I really have to say this?

Here's what you never actually said, and no, it ISN'T a math question;

Wikipedia;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

'The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their respective electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia.'

Stop taking debating tips from @UncleBuck, not everyone is stupid and needs to be yelled at.

In this case I just needed an explanation of the connection between the popular vote and how the States will direct their electoral colleges to vote. It is not state by state, it's based on the outcome of the national popular vote. In this context, the math is indeed simple. Without context, no math makes sense.

 

[Fogdog]

Here's what you never actually said, and no, it ISN'T a math question;

Wikipedia;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

'The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their respective electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia.'

Stop taking debating tips from @UncleBuck, not everyone is stupid and needs to be yelled at.

In this case I just needed an explanation of the connection between the popular vote and how the States will direct their electoral colleges to vote. It is not state by state, it's based on the outcome of the national popular vote. In this context, the math is indeed simple. Without context, no math makes sense.

Not math

Sound out the words if necessary. I put them right in front of you. I could not read them to you.