Leaves won't stop drooping.

[etch3d]

Hello guys.
New grower here.
My setup is a 3x3x6.
Mars II 1200w light.
Using greats lakes water only soil.
5 gal smart pots
Transplanted the clone around 5/28.
Didn't give enough water after transplant I believe.
Have tried to give the plant more water and it still is all droopy.
The first few days after transplant the plant looked happy and then it started to droop. Here's some pics. Oldest to newest.

 

[etch3d]

Newest as of yesterday

 

[Dumme]

Probably over water/fertilization.

How wet is the media when you water?

 

[etch3d]

Probably over water/fertilization.

How wet is the media when you water?

Haven't even given much water since transplant. Gave them about 24oz of water when transplanted. That was on the 28th. Haven't given them any since. Here's a picture from this morning.

 

[etch3d]

Probably over water/fertilization.

How wet is the media when you water?

I haven't used any nutes besides what's in the soil.

 

[etch3d]

This is the soil..

 

[kratos015]

Do you know the exact amount of aeration in your soil mix? Looks like there's barely any perlite in there and your soil may not have enough aeration. They look overwatered to me, but if it's been over a week since you've watered the only thing that I can really think of is your soil doesn't have enough perlite/aeration and it's not draining enough. I transplanted into 25 gallon pots on the 27th of last month myself and I still have to water every 3-4 days or so, if it's really been over a week since your last watering and the soil is still wet you likely don't have enough drainage.

Another thing that is sticking out to me is your temps on your meter. I'm noticing it says 84 degrees at the time of taking the picture, and your lowest temp is 64? Unless you're supplementing with CO2, 84 is a bit too high. Without CO2 you want to be at around 74-79 degrees, you usually don't want to push 80 degrees unless you're running CO2. I'm running CO2 and even at that I NEVER let my room get above 84, your plants will droop like that if they're too hot. Get your temps down to around 75-78 and that should hopefully help, and try to keep your night time temps at around 65-70.

However, if your soil still has poor drainage that is definitely going to be an issue for you. Without proper drainage/aeration your roots can't move or breathe which is going to cause all sorts of problems in the long run.

Unless you get those issues fixed then this is probably the best your girls will look unfortunately, your grow can only be as good as it's weakest link.

 

[etch3d]

Temps were 84 like a week ago when i had 2 300w leds. Also 5 cfls sitting nearby. Those have been removed and the temp is around 76.not sure of the perlite percentage. Did add some dried rice hulls or whatever to the mix but not sure how much. I can send more pics when I get home

Do you know the exact amount of aeration in your soil mix? Looks like there's barely any perlite in there and your soil may not have enough aeration. They look overwatered to me, but if it's been over a week since you've watered the only thing that I can really think of is your soil doesn't have enough perlite/aeration and it's not draining enough. I transplanted into 25 gallon pots on the 27th of last month myself and I still have to water every 3-4 days or so, if it's really been over a week since your last watering and the soil is still wet you likely don't have enough drainage.

Another thing that is sticking out to me is your temps on your meter. I'm noticing it says 84 degrees at the time of taking the picture, and your lowest temp is 64? Unless you're supplementing with CO2, 84 is a bit too high. Without CO2 you want to be at around 74-79 degrees, you usually don't want to push 80 degrees unless you're running CO2. I'm running CO2 and even at that I NEVER let my room get above 84, your plants will droop like that if they're too hot. Get your temps down to around 75-78 and that should hopefully help, and try to keep your night time temps at around 65-70.

However, if your soil still has poor drainage that is definitely going to be an issue for you. Without proper drainage/aeration your roots can't move or breathe which is going to cause all sorts of problems in the long run.

Unless you get those issues fixed then this is probably the best your girls will look unfortunately, your grow can only be as good as it's weakest link.

 

[etch3d]

Temps were 84 like a week ago when i had 2 300w leds. Also 5 cfls sitting nearby. Those have been removed and the temp is around 76.not sure of the perlite percentage. Did add some dried rice hulls or whatever to the mix but not sure how much. I can send more pics when I get home

 

[etch3d]

Note the color of the light difference in the lights

 

[etch3d]

Probably over water/fertilization.

How wet is the media when you water?

Didn't get any run off really just slight dampness of the bottom idk.

 

[OrganicGorilla]

This is the soil..

Well it's not nutrients. That soil has plenty. Maybe under watered if you haven't watered since May 28th

 

[etch3d]

Well it's not nutrients. That soil has plenty. Maybe under watered if you haven't watered since May 28th

they were given two cups of water on transplant day the 28th ( 2 solo cups ) so probably about 24 oz give or take and then 3 days later I forgot to mention they were given an additional 1 to 2 cups depending how the soil felt. I just don't understand.

 

[etch3d]

The soil feels moist up to the knuckle in several areas around the pots

 

[kratos015]

Well, the plants don't even look that bad in the last picture you uploaded really. More photos of the plants from different angles will give me and everyone else a better idea, but personally from what I'm seeing things don't look too bad.

You have your temps and humidity under control, your soil mix looks good enough, and from what I'm seeing everything looks pretty standard for the most part. How far away is your LED from the plants?

I'm not really seeing much wrong with the plants though really, no signs of stress or deficiencies but this is just based on the single photo you uploaded. If you can upload more photos then I can be more sure in assessing the situation.

From what I am seeing though, your pots don't look like they have much of a gap between them and the floor of your tent. So what's happening is you are in fact actually getting run off when you water, but since the smart pots are made of fabric, the fabric is actually acting as a wick for the water, likely absorbing some of the runoff right back into your medium. Once your pots get completely full of roots, this won't be the biggest deal in the world because the bottom of the pots will be sitting in runoff for the roots to casually absorb at their own pace.

Definitely get us some more photos so we can make a better judgment about things, but from everything I'm seeing you're looking just fine to me.

You're a new grower, and the thing about growing when we're new is that you're pretty much expecting things to go wrong. Believe it or not, growing really is as simple as just providing the plants with what they need and that's it. Your temps are right, humidity is right, soil mix is right, plants look right, pretty much the only thing I'm unsure of is how far away your light is from the plants? People often make the mistake of putting LEDs too close to their plants thinking they'll be fine, although LEDs are a lot less hot than HIDs it is still very much possible to burn your plants with LEDs.

 

[OrganicGorilla]

they were given two cups of water on transplant day the 28th ( 2 solo cups ) so probably about 24 oz give or take and then 3 days later I forgot to mention they were given an additional 1 to 2 cups depending how the soil felt. I just don't understand.

2 cups of water for that much soil is really nothing. To me, the soil looks dry in the first pics you uploaded. But the plants really don't look bad.

 

[etch3d]

Well, the plants don't even look that bad in the last picture you uploaded really. More photos of the plants from different angles will give me and everyone else a better idea, but personally from what I'm seeing things don't look too bad.

You have your temps and humidity under control, your soil mix looks good enough, and from what I'm seeing everything looks pretty standard for the most part. How far away is your LED from the plants?

I'm not really seeing much wrong with the plants though really, no signs of stress or deficiencies but this is just based on the single photo you uploaded. If you can upload more photos then I can be more sure in assessing the situation.

From what I am seeing though, your pots don't look like they have much of a gap between them and the floor of your tent. So what's happening is you are in fact actually getting run off when you water, but since the smart pots are made of fabric, the fabric is actually acting as a wick for the water, likely absorbing some of the runoff right back into your medium. Once your pots get completely full of roots, this won't be the biggest deal in the world because the bottom of the pots will be sitting in runoff for the roots to casually absorb at their own pace.

Definitely get us some more photos so we can make a better judgment about things, but from everything I'm seeing you're looking just fine to me.

You're a new grower, and the thing about growing when we're new is that you're pretty much expecting things to go wrong. Believe it or not, growing really is as simple as just providing the plants with what they need and that's it. Your temps are right, humidity is right, soil mix is right, plants look right, pretty much the only thing I'm unsure of is how far away your light is from the plants? People often make the mistake of putting LEDs too close to their plants thinking they'll be fine, although LEDs are a lot less hot than HIDs it is still very much possible to burn your plants with LEDs.

 

[etch3d]

Well, the plants don't even look that bad in the last picture you uploaded really. More photos of the plants from different angles will give me and everyone else a better idea, but personally from what I'm seeing things don't look too bad.

You have your temps and humidity under control, your soil mix looks good enough, and from what I'm seeing everything looks pretty standard for the most part. How far away is your LED from the plants?

I'm not really seeing much wrong with the plants though really, no signs of stress or deficiencies but this is just based on the single photo you uploaded. If you can upload more photos then I can be more sure in assessing the situation.

From what I am seeing though, your pots don't look like they have much of a gap between them and the floor of your tent. So what's happening is you are in fact actually getting run off when you water, but since the smart pots are made of fabric, the fabric is actually acting as a wick for the water, likely absorbing some of the runoff right back into your medium. Once your pots get completely full of roots, this won't be the biggest deal in the world because the bottom of the pots will be sitting in runoff for the roots to casually absorb at their own pace.

Definitely get us some more photos so we can make a better judgment about things, but from everything I'm seeing you're looking just fine to me.

You're a new grower, and the thing about growing when we're new is that you're pretty much expecting things to go wrong. Believe it or not, growing really is as simple as just providing the plants with what they need and that's it. Your temps are right, humidity is right, soil mix is right, plants look right, pretty much the only thing I'm unsure of is how far away your light is from the plants? People often make the mistake of putting LEDs too close to their plants thinking they'll be fine, although LEDs are a lot less hot than HIDs it is still very much possible to burn your plants with LEDs.

I posted like 6 pictures in the first post. I take it you mean recent pictures ?

 

[etch3d]

Well, the plants don't even look that bad in the last picture you uploaded really. More photos of the plants from different angles will give me and everyone else a better idea, but personally from what I'm seeing things don't look too bad.

You have your temps and humidity under control, your soil mix looks good enough, and from what I'm seeing everything looks pretty standard for the most part. How far away is your LED from the plants?

I'm not really seeing much wrong with the plants though really, no signs of stress or deficiencies but this is just based on the single photo you uploaded. If you can upload more photos then I can be more sure in assessing the situation.

From what I am seeing though, your pots don't look like they have much of a gap between them and the floor of your tent. So what's happening is you are in fact actually getting run off when you water, but since the smart pots are made of fabric, the fabric is actually acting as a wick for the water, likely absorbing some of the runoff right back into your medium. Once your pots get completely full of roots, this won't be the biggest deal in the world because the bottom of the pots will be sitting in runoff for the roots to casually absorb at their own pace.

Definitely get us some more photos so we can make a better judgment about things, but from everything I'm seeing you're looking just fine to me.

You're a new grower, and the thing about growing when we're new is that you're pretty much expecting things to go wrong. Believe it or not, growing really is as simple as just providing the plants with what they need and that's it. Your temps are right, humidity is right, soil mix is right, plants look right, pretty much the only thing I'm unsure of is how far away your light is from the plants? People often make the mistake of putting LEDs too close to their plants thinking they'll be fine, although LEDs are a lot less hot than HIDs it is still very much possible to burn your plants with LEDs.

One on the left was the droopy one and the one on the right just won't grow... has tiny little leaves and they're all cupped downward and the leaves can be like flipped upward idk how to explain it.

 

[kratos015]

The second and third photo are the only ones that are showing signs of anything concerning. They don't look like deficiencies or even toxicity to me, the only thing I can really think of would be bug damage.

Have you checked the undersides of the leaves closely? Seeing any tiny white or black specks? Any tiny flies hopping around in your pots or grow room? Have you checked for spider mites? If you're finding any tiny white or black specks on the undersides of leaves, you may be dealing with a spider mite problem. Any webs around the plants at all? I hate to say it and I hope I'm wrong, but it explains the damage and stunted growth.