chemphlegm
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mj grown under hid lights like a 600 watt hps/mh will produce more potency than cfl's are capable of, less mold issues, less pests
better expressions in flower and on time finishes.
about half?
about 20 days and no trichomes..
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mj grown under hid lights like a 600 watt hps/mh will produce more potency than cfl's are capable of, less mold issues, less pests
better expressions in flower and on time finishes.
about half?
Johnny Lawrence
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CFLs are garbage. Step up our game.
Alexroller
Active Member
those are mine
Switched to 12-12 with hps 600 watt at 10 may...they seemed to shot first smallish pistils at 15
I then switched to cfl cause its was just too much for them and for me..
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Switched to 12-12 with hps 600 watt at 10 may...they seemed to shot first smallish pistils at 15
I then switched to cfl cause its was just too much for them and for me..
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BudmanTX
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Despite what most people think cfls aren't garbage, its just takes longer for the product to get finished, and you might lose a little on the potency side. Me personally I use cfls cause of the space I use them in. Like chem said prior, hid is the way to go, potency would be alot higher and your timeline on finished would also be shorter.
P.s very nice looking plants btw
P.s very nice looking plants btw
Alexroller
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they started loosing a lot of leaves and you actually see some yellowing in the photos cause of the heat stress..they bounce back up with the cfl
BudmanTX
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I've always had good luck with cfls, never had an heat issue, really never had a mold/mildew issue, for the plants I've grown, never had super dry soil, for me my timeline for finishing to took longer than I thought, last grow went 11 weeks.
Granted I'm no expert with hps and or hid, the other fine growers in this thread might have more to say about that than me.
Granted I'm no expert with hps and or hid, the other fine growers in this thread might have more to say about that than me.
Johnny Lawrence
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If head space is your issue, then save up for some Quantum boards. They will completely blow away anything you've done with CFLs, and will pay for themselves within a run or two. Or just run some Citizen cobs at 50 watts a piece. And again, cobs will CRUSH anything you're currently doing with CFLs.
Alexroller
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i couldnt invest in anything more than a 60 euros big 250w cfl...but yeah COBS are VERY good..
What im trying to say..is that i chose to try and have healthy plants using cfl and not heat stress the fack outta them with my 600..
What im trying to say..is that i chose to try and have healthy plants using cfl and not heat stress the fack outta them with my 600..
Johnny Lawrence
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I understand. All I'm telling you is to invest in a proper panel. It will pay for itself.
They are out of stock at the moment, but email these guys and ask them when they'll have the 135 kits back in stock. It will more than double your yields and quality. Trust me.
https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/products/135w-led-board-kit
CFLs are such old, useless tech at this point. Will they grow weed? Sure. So will an incandescent light bulb.
Or get this http://timbergrowlights.com/100-watt-citizen-clu048-linear-framework/
Johnny Lawrence
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And if you want to purchase from somebody over on your side of the pond, I just bumped into this post over in the led section.
Fourth post down.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/sanlight-led.925697/
You should hit him up and see what he says. The CLU048 is a little beast, even when run soft. I only run my 048s at 50 watts each, and I'm getting the same size colas as I was under a 600 watt HPS. I pulled down two vented 600s, and replaced them with 900 watts of Citizen/Cree cobs. Heat is no longer an issue, electric bill is down, and I'm hitting the same numbers I was getting under 1200 watts of HPS. I also eliminated the fan that was venting the hoods, saving me an additional 80 watts. With what we pay here for electricity, I'm saving myself about $500 a year, plus another $150 - $200 on an annual bulb replacement.
Trust me - if you save up a bit and invest in any of the lights I pointed to, you'll be more than happy you did. Oh, and all of the lights I linked to are good for 10 years and you'll never have to change a bulb.
Fourth post down.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/sanlight-led.925697/
You should hit him up and see what he says. The CLU048 is a little beast, even when run soft. I only run my 048s at 50 watts each, and I'm getting the same size colas as I was under a 600 watt HPS. I pulled down two vented 600s, and replaced them with 900 watts of Citizen/Cree cobs. Heat is no longer an issue, electric bill is down, and I'm hitting the same numbers I was getting under 1200 watts of HPS. I also eliminated the fan that was venting the hoods, saving me an additional 80 watts. With what we pay here for electricity, I'm saving myself about $500 a year, plus another $150 - $200 on an annual bulb replacement.
Trust me - if you save up a bit and invest in any of the lights I pointed to, you'll be more than happy you did. Oh, and all of the lights I linked to are good for 10 years and you'll never have to change a bulb.
dynospec
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Thats a really bold statement, care to back it up? Would just like some solid data, not trying to beef you or anything, but Ive actually read that potency can be higher on buds grown under cfls, but you get way less. I cant find that study atm, and honestly am not looking very hard. I just feel like saying that cfls will hands down produce half as potent weed as hps is a poor statement.
I dont use cfls at all anymore, but I like you did. I think with cfls, it has alot more to do with common sense, and light position, and things like that. alot of people using cfl are also newer generally to growing so theres alot of variables at play here.
Im interested in running a side by side of the same exact cut, under the same watts of cfl vs hps now and having end results tested. of course everything except the lights would be kept the same. If I do this/when ill post results
Johnny Lawrence
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Why? I don't get it. CFLs are bottom of the barrel in terms of current lighting options available to growers. I mean, even cheap A19 led bulbs from home depot will outperform a CFL.
You know what. Never mind. Stick to your CFLs. Have fun with that.
dynospec
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wow did you read the post? I said I dont use cfls anymore, but like many people I started with them. Im simply saying the potency shouldnt be effected drastically if at all by the difference in light. So you can take your shitty attitude and learn how to read.
chemphlegm
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I just feel like saying that cfls will hands down produce half as potent weed as hps is a poor statement.
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I don't think I said that.
But anyways a CFL will not allow the potential of photosynthesization. This adversely effects how the plant metabolize every nutrients adversely.
I just feel like saying that cfls will hands down produce half as potent weed as hps is a poor statement.
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I don't think I said that.
But anyways a CFL will not allow the potential of photosynthesization. This adversely effects how the plant metabolize every nutrients adversely.
Alexroller
Active Member
well...first serious signs of thc are here...most of the buds are starting getting salty...they off course have over 50 days to go... 
Johnny Lawrence
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Dude, fuck off. You were clearly talking about the possibility of running a side by side, hps vs cfl experiment. You even mentioned variables. It's pointless. Perhaps you should take your shitty attitude and learn how to communicate more effectively.
pepelepew_skunk
New Member
Alexroller: I'm far from an expert at this but different strains act differently. I'm on day 28 with Super Skunk & Mango Skunk and I don't have lots of trichomes yet and the ones I do have haven't all developed heads yet. I am confident I will see development drastically increase in about 2 weeks. Keep your PH between 5.5 - 6.5 and I think you're doing ok, so don't freak out yet and over feed. You may want to feed them 1/2 teaspoon blackstrap molasses per gallon water 1-2 times a week if you're not satisfied with the density of buds but just be patient. Good things come to those that wait. lol 
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chemphlegm
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plants dont eat molasses. If the buds are not dense =proper resources are not being provided. Plants will grow to their weakest resource provided. you decide which . Molasses is not a proper resource for plants.
pepelepew_skunk
New Member
I'm fairly new to this, so I started out with LEDs primarily to avoid heat issues. I can't be home everyday, so I have to depend on auto watering and didn't want to risk burning my plants or house if my fan quit while I was away. lol I think if the grower syncs everything together properly, you can produce a good product with the light of your choice provided you are getting enough wattage and the PAR is within reasonable limits. The type of light you choose surely is your choice and definitely not worth arguing over as I see that occurring in this thread.
Besides, if you start with a seed from a crappy strain, nothing else really matters. 
pepelepew_skunk
New Member
I tried it on my last grow and didn't notice an improvement but my plants were doing well before. I've been reading about how it affects the micro organisms in the soil. There is much controversy on the issue. Seems half of the growers swear by it and the other half trash the idea. That's why I tried it; although I have been neutral on the issue because of all the conflicting forums I have read. I appreciate your input because I have been wondering if it was fact or fiction.