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chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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it might take dozens to be able to label a copper colored phenotype ya know... have to ride this one for generations to just be sure it isnt some gardening habit. Likely its a pheno/geno that maybe metabolizes at a different rate therefore uptakes at one too if its the only one fed the same as the others, maybe it want more food/etc.

and you're actually correct. a phenotype is something you created in your garden and a genotype is a genetic stance(I think), like a cut from that one might be dark green in the @ hillbill gardens etc...

Gu could shed some light on this, maybe he also has seen a pale Copper Chem?
the two fems I have flowering now are more pale like yours than the other varieties next to her,
so maybe we got the same garden, same habit, or same pheno/genotype ! lol
 
morgwar

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chemphlegm said:
it might take dozens to be able to label a copper colored phenotype ya know... have to ride this one for generations to just be sure it isnt some gardening habit. Likely its a pheno/geno that maybe metabolizes at a different rate therefore uptakes at one too if its the only one fed the same as the others, maybe it want more food/etc.

and you're actually correct. a phenotype is something you created in your garden and a genotype is a genetic stance(I think), like a cut from that one might be dark green in the @ hillbill gardens etc...

Gu could shed some light on this, maybe he also has seen a pale Copper Chem?
the two fems I have flowering now are more pale like yours than the other varieties next to her,
so maybe we got the same garden, same habit, or same pheno/genotype ! lol
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Thanks man. I've run into others that have tossed the plants out over fear of lower yield. All I can say is have faith because this one is special.
IM keeping a male and female in clone, these were the only yellows in the 5 I popped and I kept them based entirely on smell in veg. Even as seedlings after the first node you can smell lemon pepper, and rubber or gasoline.
When I over feed tips burn, when I underfeed it turns pale yellow and looses lower leaves. But when fed like the others it starts packing on the nodes and leaves. Ph is 6.3 with my new soil meter.
Only thing is that it's sensitive to light, too much and you get tacos
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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my coppers went under the light to sex when they were 8 inches tall about 16 inches from the 1k light. both are still pale and transplanted into five gallon pails. When I skirted them a 24" they smelled like fuel. I'ma gonna keep feeding the same as I do their neighbors for this round, next one will be different, then again........

Raindance has got a nice hippy sweat wet sock 80's weed smell thing going on now and Jamoka is really pungent halfway through flower. Gu gear's gonna take over much my garden by september I'm thinking.
my only other keepers are
Tahoe Og caliconnect
Chem91 hso
Medicine Man mr nice
Super City TD

medicine man is in no danger but chem91, tahoe og, and super city could be threatened by the new entries.
 
the gnome

the gnome

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morgwar said:
And no matter what you do with nutes, lights, and temperature, it's yellow !!!
Healthy robust but yellow
Copper chem is named well
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Ive had plants that did that every now-n-then,
but not to the degree I see in that pic.
if my soil ph drops below 5.5 i start seeing probs,
so depending on things like veg time, when i up-pot
and salt nutes used etc etc
a few tbs of dolomite and it's fine/greens up in a few watering.
using standard salt/nutes ph start dropping and by mid bloom sometimes I see ph probs.
I shoot for hi 6s on my soil ph to start with so by mid bloom i'm still good
of course ymmv

what kind of soil Ph meter do you have?
the $30 ones are usually very inaccurate,
ive got a kelway, around a c-note and very accurate and they last.

 
morgwar

morgwar

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the gnome said:
Ive had plants that did that every now-n-then,
but not to the degree I see in that pic.
if my soil ph drops below 5.5 i start seeing probs,
so depending on things like veg time, when i up-pot
and salt nutes used etc etc
a few tbs of dolomite and it's fine/greens up in a few watering.
using standard salt/nutes ph start dropping and by mid bloom sometimes I see ph probs.
I shoot for hi 6s on my soil ph to start with so by mid bloom i'm still good
of course ymmv

what kind of soil Ph meter do you have?
the $30 ones are usually very inaccurate,
ive got a kelway, around a c-note and very accurate and they last.
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54.00 and that's all Im spending lol
I'm done messing with nutes and ph on it
5 weeks of flushes and adjustment and the only time it stop growing was when I changed something.
The way I see it is its not some pedigree dog to be held to a breed standard and discarded. I'll post my yeild compared to the two other "healthy" plants late July early august and we'll see what's what.
 
morgwar

morgwar

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I'm gonna try to get some decent close ups. The purple on the leaf edges is hard to catch with a cellphone.
Now here's a newb question, do bio biz and grow big, rate as salt nutes?
 
the gnome

the gnome

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I used GG GB and yes, it has salts.
I like it, worked really well for me for a long time.
lately Ive been using pure blend pro in veg trying to reduce the amt of salts
in my fertz regime.
when prepping soil/FF SF or OF regardless of ph i add 2 tbs per gallon.
1/2 powdered, 1/2 is pelletized for long term release.
if your soil is 6.4 when you start, it will drop as time goes on.
before i started adding lime during prep I found myself having to mix lime into
my watering/feeds in mid flower quite a bit.
some of my ph readings were in the mid 4.s before i started adding lime in prep.
of course ymmv
 
morgwar

morgwar

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the gnome said:
I used GG GB and yes, it has salts.
I like it, worked really well for me for a long time.
lately Ive been using pure blend pro in veg trying to reduce the amt of salts
in my fertz regime.
when prepping soil/FF SF or OF regardless of ph i add 2 tbs per gallon.
1/2 powdered, 1/2 is pelletized for long term release.
if your soil is 6.4 when you start, it will drop as time goes on.
before i started adding lime during prep I found myself having to mix lime into
my watering/feeds in mid flower quite a bit.
some of my ph readings were in the mid 4.s before i started adding lime in prep.
of course ymmv
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I use the lime in my sup soil but I'm gonna increase it a bit after reading that.
The black gold and dynamite are running full dose bio biz only, and pretty happy.
I started the grow big to get more green out of copper chem. I think I'll just go back to Boi biz and top dress humic and earthworm castings with an eye on my ph
 
the gnome

the gnome

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morgwar said:
I use the lime in my sup soil but I'm gonna increase it a bit after reading that.
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it's hard to screw up with AG lime, you'll never go past 7.0 but of course you need you add it in a reasonable amounts.
in soil if you think or know you have low Ph affecting nute uptake
try using 1-2 tsp per gal of the powdered dolo or calcitic if you can't get dolo.
make sure you stir as you water/feed or it'll settle.
if low ph is a prob you see a fast recovery, I do it like this 2 watering back to back.
if things grean up i add a couple tbs lime and work it in to the top
 
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chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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morgwar said:
I use the lime in my sup soil but I'm gonna increase it a bit after reading that.
The black gold and dynamite are running full dose bio biz only, and pretty happy.
I started the grow big to get more green out of copper chem. I think I'll just go back to Boi biz and top dress humic and earthworm castings with an eye on my ph
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every fucking time I add some salts to fire up my organics my plant fails. even a little tiny bit makes my plants ill.
for a nice cherry on top of your bio bizz......try poking half a dozen jobes organic fert sticks in the pot in flower...you'll see....
 
Tangerine_

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morgwar said:
Thought so, so the flushes should have helped.
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A lot of growers have really great success with FF Big Bloom. Some even use it in ACT or as a catalyst. With organic inputs and low NPK ratios its damn near impossible to burn plants.
Besides, salts are hard on a healthy living soil...if that's what you're after
 
Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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morgwar said:
I use the lime in my sup soil but I'm gonna increase it a bit after reading that.
The black gold and dynamite are running full dose bio biz only, and pretty happy.
I started the grow big to get more green out of copper chem. I think I'll just go back to Boi biz and top dress humic and earthworm castings with an eye on my ph
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Morg, I think you'll find this is the root cause of that yellowing on the CC. Anytime my pH has taken a serious dive the plants throw a fit. Some will get wavy edges and other will fade quickly almost mimicking a N def.
Let that soil dry out a bit and the pH should climb a bit naturally. At next watering top with lime or water it in. I'll bet they green up for you. :weed:
 
morgwar

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Well the "issue" started before the grow big (not that I'm defending salts) but yeah I was aprehensive about the grow big.
I'm not convinced it's locked out though, since it's still kicking out nodes as fast or faster than the others.
Some more info on the strain is definitely needed.
the one on the website pic is green so I don't know.
Looking and talking to ig crowd though it's popped up a few times. I'll go light flush, check ph and double down on biobizz for now. I'm too new at the cannabis game to form an opinion on salts.
With outdoor gardens it's easy to go organic because you get some fertilizer every time it rains, plus a way healthier soil Web that does 90%of the work
Cannabis is a way heavier feeder.
 
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