The politics of not wanting poor people in cabinet positions

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
No this is incorrect. Even with two homes he is far from a one percenter. Those people earn far more than he does and have more assets.

This is a clear example of your bias, however.
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They grasp at every straw they can just to combat his active progressive annihilation of the Democratic establishment

You ever notice not a single one of them criticizes his policy positions?

Wonder why that is..
 
Padawanbater2

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visajoe1 said:
didnt the left praise for 8 years (still is?) a community organizer that had no experience doing anything except going to school, meeting extremists, and leading "movements" within chicago? talk about a real doer! voters got what they wanted with trump, as recent congressional races have showed. the left simply cannot backup their rhetoric, but by all means, stick to it!!
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No, the Democratic establishment praised him for 8 years. Progressives didn't vote for him for his 2nd term because we knew we were lied to. I wonder if the same will be said for Trump voters in 2020..
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
They grasp at every straw they can just to combat his active progressive annihilation of the Democratic establishment

You ever notice not a single one of them criticizes his policy positions?

Wonder why that is..
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it's less of an annihilation and more of a petty annoyance.

sanders' policy positions are unrealistic and untenable in the current political environment.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
it's less of an annihilation and more of a petty annoyance.

sanders' policy positions are unrealistic and untenable in the current political environment.
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But not wrong.

Mitch McConnell's positions, on the other hand, are dead wrong- in spite of their current popularity in the current political environment.

I'd much rather be right and unpopular. It's easier to live with my conscience that way.
 
UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
But not wrong.

Mitch McConnell's positions, on the other hand, are dead wrong- in spite of their current popularity in the current political environment.

I'd much rather be right and unpopular. It's easier to live with my conscience that way.
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i know, sander's positions are never wrong, even when you criticize hillary for having the same ones.
 
Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
it's less of an annihilation and more of a petty annoyance.

sanders' policy positions are unrealistic and untenable in the current political environment.
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Is that why you guys have been screaming for unity (aka subservience) since the election? Have you seen me beg your side to unify so we can beat Trump?

If his policies are unrealistic and untenable in the current political environment, why do progressives do better in elections than moderate Democrats?

Quist gained 15 points against Gianforte, Ossoff lost 4 points against Handel. It's clear, based on the data, which political strategy voters favor more. You simply can't deny the facts.
 
ttystikk

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visajoe1 said:
Wrong, but its a clear example of your bias though. Sanders made over $1M last year. He is a one percenter
http://time.com/money/4805379/bernie-sanders-2016-income/

Top 1% of each state below. Avg 1% income threshold is $400k
http://www.businessinsider.com/top-one-percent-every-us-state-2016-11
http://www.investopedia.com/news/how-much-income-puts-you-top-1-5-10/
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/14/how-much-you-have-to-earn-to-be-in-the-top-1-percent-in-the-biggest-us-cities.html
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He wrote a book which accounts for over 7/8 of his 2016 income, and in fact it's the first time he's made anywhere near that kind of money.

I don't think this is in any way an indictment of him, his policy positions or his integrity.

After all, unlike the vast majority of the rest of America's millionaires today, he earned it himself.
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
Is that why you guys have been screaming for unity (aka subservience) since the election? Have you seen me beg your side to unify so we can beat Trump?

If his policies are unrealistic and untenable in the current political environment, why do progressives do better in elections than moderate Democrats?

Quist gained 15 points against Gianforte, Ossoff lost 4 points against Handel. It's clear, based on the data, which political strategy voters favor more. You simply can't deny the facts.
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tom price won that same district by over 23 points and ossoff got within 4. (+19)

zinke won mt-al by 16 points and quist got within 6. (+10)

LOL
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
I don't believe that she would have followed through.

See the definition of 'pandering'.
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And her supporters wouldn't have held her accountable for it, either. Look at Bucks response to my question about Dems sponsoring a universal healthcare bill; "Sanders policies are unrealistic in the current political climate". So that means if Hillary Clinton were president under the same Republican controlled congress, it would still be unrealistic to try to pass a universal healthcare bill.. That would be the argument, even with Clinton as president.

Could you imagine Johnson coming out and saying "Hey, c'mon guys, it's just the wrong political climate right now to pass civil rights for African Americans... you're being unreasonable and unrealistic..."

But for universal healthcare, that is used as a legitimate excuse.. That baffles me.
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
And her supporters wouldn't have held her accountable for it, either. Look at Bucks response to my question about Dems sponsoring a universal healthcare bill; "Sanders policies are unrealistic in the current political climate". So that means if Hillary Clinton were president under the same Republican controlled congress, it would still be unrealistic to try to pass a universal healthcare bill.. That would be the argument, even with Clinton as president.

Could you imagine Johnson coming out and saying "Hey, c'mon guys, it's just the wrong political climate right now to pass civil rights for African Americans... you're being unreasonable and unrealistic..."

But for universal healthcare, that is used as a legitimate excuse.. That baffles me.
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hillary wanted a public option and a medicaid buy in for those 55+.

both incredibly good ideas that would have stood a very good chance of passing.
 
Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
tom price won that same district by over 23 points and ossoff got within 4. (+19)

zinke won mt-al by 16 points and quist got within 6. (+10)

LOL
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Trump won in Montana by 21%, Quist lost by 6%: +15
Trump won GAs 6th by 1%, Ossoff lost it by 3%: -4

That's after Quist was given no national support by the Democratic establishment and Ossoff's campaign was flooded with more than $25,000,000 from the Democratic establishment (most expensive house race in American history), and still lost

So tell me, why would a Republican/conservative voter vote for a moderate Democrat, like Ossoff, instead of the Republican opponent if they hold Republican/conservative values? Why are you trying to steal Republican votes by being Republican light instead of trying to win the votes of the 54% who didn't vote in GAs special election?

When you actually give it a little bit of thought, it makes no sense politically. Republican/conservative voters are not going to vote for a watered down version of a Republican when they can just vote for the actual Republican on the ticket. The only way to win an election against a Republican in a red district is to energize disenfranchised progressives in red districts to get out to vote by promoting a progressive platform.
 
UncleBuck

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ossoff got just as many votes in an off year special election as his predecessor did during a fucking presidential election.
 
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