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Go go n chill

Go go n chill

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Ahhhhhhhhh, cue the crickets. I haven't had time to read everything. I'm not going to water on my regular schedule.! Everyone said I was over watering..... Which I was sure I wasn't .but since I'm having problems and the % of veteran growers said I was over watering I'm gonna ease up. NO NUTES , if I don't use the fulvic I'll just use the cal mag.Probably buy a cheap probe to check the soil. The deep green is letting up. Fulvic acid ? Not sure , I need to read more? Im close to harvest but I would like to get the spots on the plants under control to know that I learned something. I still feel it's a cal/mag issue.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Go go n chill said:
this is my first grow! You guys and gals are talking about walking down isles looking across the room at plants. Im so far from that where I live, different planet.
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I don't do that yet. I grow 12 plants total for personal medical count at this time. I have had 24 at the most. That's veg and flower.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Go go n chill said:
Ahhhhhhhhh, cue the crickets. I haven't had time to read everything. I'm not going to water on my regular schedule.! Everyone said I was over watering..... Which I was sure I wasn't .but since I'm having problems and the % of veteran growers said I was over watering I'm gonna ease up. NO NUTES , if I don't use the fulvic I'll just use the cal mag.Probably buy a cheap probe to check the soil. The deep green is letting up. Fulvic acid ? Not sure , I need to read more? Im close to harvest but I would like to get the spots on the plants under control to know that I learned something. I still feel it's a cal/mag issue.
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If you are watering on a schedule stop.

Only water when the pots are very dry. Almost as light as a dry pot of soil. Fill one up and feel it so you know.

That is what the moisture meter info was for.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Go go n chill said:
Ahhhhhhhhh, cue the crickets. I haven't had time to read everything. I'm not going to water on my regular schedule.! Everyone said I was over watering..... Which I was sure I wasn't .but since I'm having problems and the % of veteran growers said I was over watering I'm gonna ease up. NO NUTES , if I don't use the fulvic I'll just use the cal mag.Probably buy a cheap probe to check the soil. The deep green is letting up. Fulvic acid ? Not sure , I need to read more? Im close to harvest but I would like to get the spots on the plants under control to know that I learned something. I still feel it's a cal/mag issue.
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You're on the right track. Consider this. Over watering can cause a low soil pH. A low soil pH can cause calcium lock out.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Go go n chill said:
Wasn't really on a schedule but they felt dry about every 3-4 days when I stuck my finger down deep into the pot and on the bottom drsin holes
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If that is true and you only gave the light dose of nutes they could need more. But you have to do these things when the plant gives you early signs. Like lower fans thickening turn in down at the tip. White tips down low. Dark green to bluish fan leaves. Or even just the bright green fading.

All of these things indicate hunger for NPK.

And I don't like how your stuff has a high P #

High phosphorous causes problems. I like to see the middle number lower than the N and K
 
Go go n chill

Go go n chill

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MichiganMedGrower said:
If that is true and you only gave the light dose of nutes they could need more. But you have to do these things when the plant gives you early signs. Like lower fans thickening turn in down at the tip. White tips down low. Dark green to bluish fan leaves. Or even just the bright green fading.

All of these things indicate hunger for NPK.

And I don't like how your stuff has a high P #

High phosphorous causes problems. I like to see the middle number lower than the N and K
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I snapped a pic of what you just said, I thought numbers were supposed to change during the life cycles
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Go go n chill said:
Does anyone think it is a cal/mag problem from the pics other than me ?Lol I'm almost afraid to ask:razz:
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You know I looked back to the original post you started and my advice right below was to leach the pots with some fresh water to runoff and add back a balanced nute. Something close to 3-1-2 or 20-20-20 or mix the Grow and bloom 50/50 even could be fine and give a moderate dose. Like 25% of the directions.

Advice still stands. No need to use any products but base nutes. They will work fine. You need to understand how they work and what the plants need.

If the plants improve you know they we're just hungry.

If you start putting in more products you will have no idea which worked and what was actually needed.

I use 1 bottle and bagged soil. I need nothing else to harvest great meds. Well perlite for better drainage.

And I would use the bloom bottle if it was needed but mostly never is.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Buba Blend said:
You're on the right track. Consider this. Over watering can cause a low soil pH. A low soil pH can cause calcium lock out.
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Go go n chill said:
Does anyone think it is a cal/mag problem from the pics other than me ?Lol I'm almost afraid to ask:razz:
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Yes I think it's a calcium problem. But I think it is a lockout of calcium. Caused by overwatering. Not from it being deficient in the soil.
 
Go go n chill

Go go n chill

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MichiganMedGrower said:
You know I looked back to the original post you started and my advice right below was to leach the pots with some fresh water to runoff and add back a balanced nute. Something close to 3-1-2 or 20-20-20 or mix the Grow and bloom 50/50 even could be fine and give a moderate dose. Like 25% of the directions.

Advice still stands. No need to use any products but base nutes. They will work fine. You need to understand how they work and what the plants need.

If the plants improve you know they we're just hungry.

If you start putting in more products you will have no idea which worked and what was actually needed.

I use 1 bottle and bagged soil. I need nothing else to harvest great meds. Well perlite for better drainage.

And I would use the bloom bottle if it was needed but mostly never is.
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I just wanted to follow up with you. When I've watered the girls for the last several weeks it has always been enough to saturate the soil and drsin out the bottom . It's never been cloudy or murky. Is that a good thing and does that tell me something ?
 
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MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Go go n chill said:
I just wanted to follow up with you. When I've watered the girls for the last several weeks it has always been enough to saturate the soil and drsin out the bottom . It's never been cloudy or murky. Is that a good thing and does that tell me something ?
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Yeah. There is no acidic salt buildup. My advice still stands. No extra bloom fertilizer either. Or cal mag if calcium and magnesium are included in the base nutes.

And then wait til the pot dries out and feels light again.

You should have an ec meter (I use a blue lab truncheont) to see how much nutes are present in your runoff.

I meter every time to see trends. If the ec is rising they have had enough. If it is falling below what I just gave them they may need more.

People will say runoff testing is not accurate and they may be right but it still is a good way to tell if you are on track. I write it down going in and out each plant each time I water / feed.

Ec is equal to 500 ppm. Careful with companies like Botanicare that use a 700 ppm conversion. That's why I use ec.

I only check my soil ph runoff before I use a new mix. Maybe if I have a persistent problem. I use the gen hydro drops.
 
im4satori

im4satori

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Go go n chill said:
The green bottle is a veg fert and the brown is a tea, the Orange is there bloom builder from grow shop. Dosages are 1/2 to 2 tsp..... I gave 1/4 a couple of times and 1/2 once I think. The super green leaves are subsiding. The spots are still lingering on three plants but getting better on the one that I gave an extra dose of calmagic, it had very little clawing and no deep green leaves.
Thanks for reading.
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ok

so your fertilizer is very potent and got a good amount of N I can see how you could have over done it

the bloom bottle you can just throw that one away..its so ridiculously high in P its not good for much

the grow isn't bad over all its just very low in K

an appropriate dose of the grow would be
per gallon
3mls grow
7mls calmag (if your calmag is 2% N 3.2% Ca)
1/8 tsp Epsom salt (0.5 grams)


so mixing that will produce

N 92ppm
P 31 ppm
K 33 ppm (very low ideally would be over 100ppm)
Ca 75ppm
Mg 40ppm

ideally what youd need is another bloom fertilizer that has a high K %

potassium sulfate would work but it would be hard to weigh but since your in soil you might just top dress 1/4 tsp now and again and be ok maybe 1x a month 2max, im not sure youd have to feel it out
GH kool bloom would work

or anything where the k number is the largest number on the bottle and theres little to no N

potassium silicate or silica blast would help some if your ph can handle it
tell me whats available to you and I will see if itll work
 
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