should i use azamax?

natureboygrower

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I know a lot of good growers use azamax as a preventative.i paid $30 for a bottle last season and just cant bring myself to use it.I just picked up a bottle of Safers BioNeem just to have on my shelf.would be interested in hearing other's opinions.
 

Psyphish

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natureboygrower

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A lot of people are saying Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome is just Azadirachtin poisoning. So I personally would never use Azamax on my plants. If you're poisoning your plants, you should let others know, it's irresponsible to distribute weed that has been sprayed with toxins.

https://steemit.com/cannabis/@thecleangame/cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome-chs-is-azadirachtin-poisoning-tralawar-s-post-reminded-me-to-post-this-ty-tralawar
yeah,i look at as poisoning your plants as well.its that its a systemic that bothers me.thanks for the link.i plan on checking it out later.so what's your gameplan for dealing with bugs/pests?
 

Johnei

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Use worm casting tea brew foliar spray regimen. Powerful beneficial bacteria and fungus will populate the leaf surfaces not allowing for any space that bad shit can take hold. Most biting insects also will get these microbes in their gut if they munch and either get sick and leave or die. Do not underestimate the power of a microbe army's ability to help protect your plants.

The azamax, don't do it!
 

natureboygrower

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Use worm casting tea brew foliar spray regimen. Powerful beneficial bacteria and fungus will populate the leaf surfaces not allowing for any space that bad shit can take hold. Most biting insects also will get these microbes in their gut if they munch and either get sick and leave or die. Do not underestimate the power of a microbe army's ability to help protect your plants.

The azamax, don't do it!
i brew every week.i'll give it a shot
 

BRANDON77

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Can you use a pressurized foliar sprayer on tea brews? ive been brewing non-stop for a couple weeks to hit all my plants (only 4 gallons at a time) would love to be able to foliar.
 

Johnei

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most will destroy the fungal hyphae ripping and chopping them apart, yes they can sprout again and grow from the smaller sections again into fungal networks, but this defeats the purpose of brewing a tea to grow these guys and then coat leaves with them, they will be back to 'baby dormant' form hitting the leaves all chopped up if you know what I mean. Also will slam micrcobes around and kill huge populations of them. Also spray nozzles will get clogged every second, and if filters are used for no clogging, again, this defeats the purpose to filter them.

This is a huge debate amongst the tea brew crew out there, finding that perfect kind of sprayer that is gentle enough to get them out the nozzle in full form.

a regular hand pumpm sprayer should not kill them, it just does not atomize the water coming out as a commercial type spray nozzle would into such a small space such hard pressure.

This is same issue with water pumps, certain watr pumps with certain propellors will not chop them up and just push water through for deliver, other will chop up all the good guys.. I most do things by hand and only hand sprayers, so all the brewing work is not justa waste.

cu :joint:

(There ARE sprayers out there proven to work with compost tea and not destroy the beneficial microbes, Dr. Ingham of the Soil Foodweb uses one I have seen, just don't know the exact one she uses. That would be your best bet, looking her way might find more precise info on this.)
 
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WeedFreak78

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Can you use a pressurized foliar sprayer on tea brews? ive been brewing non-stop for a couple weeks to hit all my plants (only 4 gallons at a time) would love to be able to foliar.
See if you can unscrew the nozzle on the end of the wand so it doesn't atomize. I have one that does and then it just sprays in a fan pattern at lower pressures. If you pressurize mine too much it jets out instead of the fan, so it's kinda a PITA. Usually keep pumping it slowly once I get the right spray pattern to try and keep it steady. It's a good arm workout.
 

Johnei

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To natureboygrower,
A thought that just came to me to share for you, that you may not have considered...

Worm Castings contain chitin producing microbes;
chitin induces a Systemic Aquired Resistance(SAR) in plants;
their immune system is activated like an attack was happening
before an attack actually occurs. The plant is stronger.
On leaf surfaces, at a cellular level, when something bites, or a bad fungus attaches,
the plants' immune system is activated and it starts to attempt to isolate the infection or biting insect.
It will make the surrounding cells 'dirty' and 'taste bad', or cells in a circle will change their internal pH
to make any would be invaders habitat, be out of range. THE PLANT WILL REACT!
This spraying of compost tea brew making a new brew every week for example, and liberally coating the plants' leaves with it will not only create a barrier of healthy microbe action for invaders to deal with, but the plant itself becomes very robust and invaders are unable to penetrate her shield even if they do land on her and try to populate leaf surfaces, or roots for that matter; dripping from the leaves to the ground inocculating surrounding soil; and dumping the left over at her stalk.

ecto and endomycorrhizae that coat the roots and enter the plants' roots and form a symbyotic bond with the plants come into play here as well; more protection and increases nutrient uptake and utilization and storage in their fungal networks inside and outside the plant extending far and wide through the soil.


lol
Ok, now I'm going on too much, the point is...

AZAMAX is shit compared to good organic 'nurturing the microbes' practices. They do so much.

cu
 

natureboygrower

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To natureboygrower,
A thought that just came to me to share for you, that you may not have considered...

Worm Castings contain chitin producing microbes;
chitin induces a Systemic Aquired Resistance(SAR) in plants;
their immune system is activated like an attack was happening
before an attack actually occurs. The plant is stronger.
On leaf surfaces, at a cellular level, when something bites, or a bad fungus attaches,
the plants' immune system is activated and it starts to attempt to isolate the infection or biting insect.
It will make the surrounding cells 'dirty' and 'taste bad', or cells in a circle will change their internal pH
to make any would be invaders habitat, be out of range. THE PLANT WILL REACT!
This spraying of compost tea brew making a new brew every week for example, and liberally coating the plants' leaves with it will not only create a barrier of healthy microbe action for invaders to deal with, but the plant itself becomes very robust and invaders are unable to penetrate her shield even if they do land on her and try to populate leaf surfaces, or roots for that matter; dripping from the leaves to the ground inocculating surrounding soil; and dumping the left over at her stalk.

ecto and endomycorrhizae that coat the roots and enter the plants' roots and form a symbyotic bond with the plants come into play here as well; more protection and increases nutrient uptake and utilization and storage in their fungal networks inside and outside the plant extending far and wide through the soil.


lol
Ok, now I'm going on too much, the point is...

AZAMAX is shit compared to good organic 'nurturing the microbes' practices. They do so much.

cu
very thoughtful response ,Johnei.i see youre into the whole microbes scene as well,i really dig it too.i sprayed down all my plants this am with my tea.3 days ago i sprayed them with some brewed shavegrass tea to try and prevent pm.im hoping between the two weekly or every other week will help.yes i really like chitin and its uses.i added crab shells when i made up my soil and i also plan on top dressing with some insect frass once my soil is dry.ultimately i would love to train these bugs and pests to stay right away from my plots,only time will tell.
 

swedsteven

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SamE thing here fucking insect like my organic mix .
I did tea but not weekly and i add ammendment in my tea
I use
Water 2 gallon add 2 gallon before feeding
worm casting compost 3cups
Grandma molasses 5 tbs
Alfalfa 1 tbs
Kelp meal 1tbs
Crab meal 1tbs
Fish meal 1tbs
Neem meal 1tbs
I did foliar spray once


My reuse promix with dolomite, protek and botanicare liquid nute (natural lol) have no insect in there pot !
Why they are 3 inch away from the organic soil .
Do you guys think protek help .
 

Johnei

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molasses (You use way too much.)
&
fish
attract bugs.

Alfalfa, Kelp, Neem, Crab all contain long chain complex carbohydrate/sugar sources, molasses is useless here and actually ruining the brew.
 
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swedsteven

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I still get some good microbe in there ?
I top feed was left
So no fish and no molases or 1tbs 10ml
I put fish this time cause i just flip them 1 week ago
molasses (You use way too much.)
&
fish
attract bugs.

Alfalfa, Kelp, Neem, Crab all contain long chain complex carbohydrate/sugar sources, molasses is useless here and actually ruining the brew.
 

natureboygrower

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molasses (You use way too much.)
&
fish
attract bugs.

Alfalfa, Kelp, Neem, Crab all contain long chain complex carbohydrate/sugar sources, molasses is useless here and actually ruining the brew.
what would your mix consist of and how much of each if you were strictly looking for pest control?
 

Johnei

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A small amount of molasses is good for a only WormCasting/orCompost and molasses short 18-24hr brew for a super bacteria tea, once adding all kinds of complex carbs you want to cut the molasses and have a longer 48-60hr brew for the fungi to be dominant. Bacteria are always present. The more molasses the faster the bacteria will grow and use up all the dissolved oxygen in the tea faster than can be replenished and the tea has big chance to go anaerobic, even while pumping air into it. With all the carb sources added, we want to cut the molasses so bacteria dont grow to insane levels, and fungi(which take longer to sprout and grow/get established) have a longer brew and more time to break down the complex carbs and be dominant in the tea. Too much bacteria and fungi will die off, due to pH, air availability, and living space is impeded by the huge bacteria populations.
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Johnei

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I would use only worm castings/compost and Molasses brewed for 24hrs for a bacteria dominant tea.

and another tea with worm castings/compost, neem meal, rolled oats, and a touch of fish hydrolysate brewed for at least 48hrs for a more fungi dominant brew
--edit--and maybe some crab meal for it's chitin contribution will help strengthen the plant and deter insects as well, if you have it. I have not used crab meal.

the fungi tea is the one most beneficial to deter/kill pests though.
Both are beneficial in their own way and both contain fungi and bacteria just each leaning one way or the other more dominant.

Kelp meal/seaweed products i would also add a small amount, but may attract animals so I left it out for you.
and same with the fish hydrolysate, not too much, or can attract animals, but it grows fungi so well, it's worth it.
rolled oats provide nice surface area for fungi to latch onto and grow, and is excellent carb slow sugar source for them to feed/grow.
neem meal compounds will be incorporated into the microbes
 

Johnei

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Also in the fungi dominant tea, you can add your other interesting things like comfrey ,dandelion, grasses, etc.. things I dont use, I'm more indoor man these days and don't have access and don't make these things but they're great for growing out fungi. Complex carbs is what we want here, not simple sugars.


Once you start adding Alfalfas, guanos, kelp, rock dust, soybean, cottonseed, etc.etc. while brewing, this is more for feeding actual NPK to the plants and not just for the microbes alone. For foliar pest deterrent a complex brew is not needed and has chance to attract animals in my opinion.
 
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natureboygrower

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very nice @johnei.thank you for the info.ive already dusted and cleaned off my smaller brewer to do fungal only foliar teas.

@swedsteven you want to switch up your molasses.i dont believe grandmas is the brand you want.you want organic blackstrap molasses if you can find it.
:peace:
 

stnr420

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A lot of people are saying Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome is just Azadirachtin poisoning. So I personally would never use Azamax on my plants. If you're poisoning your plants, you should let others know, it's irresponsible to distribute weed that has been sprayed with toxins.

https://steemit.com/cannabis/@thecleangame/cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome-chs-is-azadirachtin-poisoning-tralawar-s-post-reminded-me-to-post-this-ty-tralawar
Azadirachtin is present in neem....most people use way too much...the individual pre measured vials are best....it is omri certified so its non toxic if used in the correct amount
 
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