Trump admits collusion

whitebb2727

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I'm not all tore up as I hunt too. It's the most humane meat you can eat, as long as you actually eat it.
However trophy hunters can go suck a dick as far as I'm concerned! Killing an endangered animal to save others makes no sense at all!

It's like walking into a cancer hospital and saying I'll pay to have those ten kids treated but set one free in the parking lot so I can run him down with my car.

If they truly care about the animals then let them live! They're fucking endangered!
No. Its not the same as gunning down a kid. Its just not.

It makes perfect sense. You are not paying to protect them. No one is. The money is put towards conservation officers and protected lands that otherwise were not affordable.

How does that not make sense. They are poor nations. They don't have the funds to protect them.
Everybody that hunts around here is hunting for food.

Shooting an exotic animal to stuff it or pose for a picture by it is sick.

If those idiots want to hunt exotic animals, it should be with their bare hands. Good luck with those claws and teeth.
I agree it is sick.

How do you purpose to stop poaching in poor nations?


Don't think my statements mean I support trump or Jr.
 

Huckster79

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What is Macrons character? Not if you agree w his politic, but does he seem like a good soul? Maybe hes trying to be a lifeline for the world to try to be some positive pull on trump if international shit goes real sideways? Idk just pondering
 

im4satori

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In countries where corruption is not an issue letting rich people hunt a few animals pays for officers to stop the poaching of the rest.

I wouldn't do it myself but it works when the money is used right.

The places in Africa it works have much higher endangered animal populations.

We have the resources here to protect animals. In third world shit holes they have no way of paying wildlife officers.


http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34116488

There will always be poachers.
I understand what your saying

and I understand your point is to the greater good

but I don't buy it... that money likely went into some corrupt officials pocket..
all it proves is if you got the money you can buy/have anything

there was a time when animal populations could easily absorb hunting for sport
but now we live in a time when rare animals should never ever be killed... theres just not enough of them around cuz weve killed them all

the native American had foreseen this 0ver 100 year ago

even the animals that aren't considered rare or endangered many of them are few and far between

im surrounded by hunters and theres more hunting dogs around than people

those boys get out in the woods and they shoot anything that moves

ive seen 25lb baby bears (well under legal weight) propped up and shown off with pride out in the open... no one does shit about it

fucker like those trump punks will strip our world clean to the bone and take it all.. they can never have enough

so you gonna tell the African tribes that are starving they cant kill an animal to feed there family who is starving but trump jr is allowed cuz hes paid off some government officials
 
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abandonconflict

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It makes perfect sense. You are not paying to protect them. No one is. The money is put towards conservation officers and protected lands that otherwise were not affordable.
I find this all highly dubious. Maybe trophy hunt fees make some little percentage of park funds but not the entirety and more would be made with out such trophy hunting. The funds for conservation efforts generally come from park fees and subsidies. The subsidies are a wise investment toward tourism and even the most corrupt governments in the world are desperate to protect tourism. They take this money from the rest of the sectors of the market which directly benefit from tourism such as airlines, hotels etc. This is how it works everywhere in the world that has natural attractions. EG The Philippines, Indonesia, Mexico, all very corrupt, all with huge tourism numbers.

I understand the argument you are conveying, that allowing hunters to remove a few makes it possible to protect the population, I just disagree with this so called logic. Furthermore, I can't find any verifiable real world example of it. There is a lot more money to be made in tourism that does not result in the death of endangered animals. More guides are needed, more scientific study is needed, longer hotel stays are needed and for these reasons more foreign money is spent as a result. That doesn't even take into account the amount of effort needed to deal with protests against trophy hunting.

Anyone with more than 5 stamps in their passport can tell you that shady markets in regards to wildlife tourism are widely boycotted by travelers. Shady rich people looking to justify the slaughter of endangered species however, are known to push false narratives to preserve their shady pastimes.

Source, I am in fact an expert in wildlife tourism (dive guide and instructor) and specifically ocean conservation. As such, I can say with certainty that it costs very little to poach and the fees are paid to corrupt authorities with access. Poor locals who poach (or guide rich poachers) are operating completely outside of the law. Conversely, the death of that cheetah might have made a few people in that community each a small payday, but left alive would make a community hundreds of thousands of dollars in its lifetime. Professional cameras cost more than rifles and the pictures captured of animals on safari go on to create yet more wealth, unless they are a trophy kill, in which case they create only controversy.
 

londonfog

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I find this all highly dubious. Maybe trophy hunt fees make some little percentage of park funds but not the entirety and more would be made with out such trophy hunting. The funds for conservation efforts generally come from park fees and subsidies. The subsidies are a wise investment toward tourism and even the most corrupt governments in the world are desperate to protect tourism. They take this money from the rest of the sectors of the market which directly benefit from tourism such as airlines, hotels etc. This is how it works everywhere in the world that has natural attractions. EG The Philippines, Indonesia, Mexico, all very corrupt, all with huge tourism numbers.

I understand the argument you are conveying, that allowing hunters to remove a few makes it possible to protect the population, I just disagree with this so called logic. Furthermore, I can't find any verifiable real world example of it. There is a lot more money to be made in tourism that does not result in the death of endangered animals. More guides are needed, more scientific study is needed, longer hotel stays are needed and for these reasons more foreign money is spent as a result. That doesn't even take into account the amount of effort needed to deal with protests against trophy hunting.

Anyone with more than 5 stamps in their passport can tell you that shady markets in regards to wildlife tourism are widely boycotted by travelers. Shady rich people looking to justify the slaughter of endangered species however, are known to push false narratives to preserve their shady pastimes.

Source, I am in fact an expert in wildlife tourism (dive guide and instructor) and specifically ocean conservation. As such, I can say with certainty that it costs very little to poach and the fees are paid to corrupt authorities with access. Poor locals who poach (or guide rich poachers) are operating completely outside of the law. Conversely, the death of that cheetah might have made a few people in that community each a small payday, but left alive would make a community hundreds of thousands of dollars in its lifetime. Professional cameras cost more than rifles and the pictures captured of animals on safari go on to create yet more wealth, unless they are a trophy kill, in which case they create only controversy.
I would kill a wild animal to eat or to defend myself. Never understood hunting just for the fun of the kill
 

im4satori

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I find this all highly dubious. Maybe trophy hunt fees make some little percentage of park funds but not the entirety and more would be made with out such trophy hunting. The funds for conservation efforts generally come from park fees and subsidies. The subsidies are a wise investment toward tourism and even the most corrupt governments in the world are desperate to protect tourism. They take this money from the rest of the sectors of the market which directly benefit from tourism such as airlines, hotels etc. This is how it works everywhere in the world that has natural attractions. EG The Philippines, Indonesia, Mexico, all very corrupt, all with huge tourism numbers.

I understand the argument you are conveying, that allowing hunters to remove a few makes it possible to protect the population, I just disagree with this so called logic. Furthermore, I can't find any verifiable real world example of it. There is a lot more money to be made in tourism that does not result in the death of endangered animals. More guides are needed, more scientific study is needed, longer hotel stays are needed and for these reasons more foreign money is spent as a result. That doesn't even take into account the amount of effort needed to deal with protests against trophy hunting.

Anyone with more than 5 stamps in their passport can tell you that shady markets in regards to wildlife tourism are widely boycotted by travelers. Shady rich people looking to justify the slaughter of endangered species however, are known to push false narratives to preserve their shady pastimes.

Source, I am in fact an expert in wildlife tourism (dive guide and instructor) and specifically ocean conservation. As such, I can say with certainty that it costs very little to poach and the fees are paid to corrupt authorities with access. Poor locals who poach (or guide rich poachers) are operating completely outside of the law. Conversely, the death of that cheetah might have made a few people in that community each a small payday, but left alive would make a community hundreds of thousands of dollars in its lifetime. Professional cameras cost more than rifles and the pictures captured of animals on safari go on to create yet more wealth, unless they are a trophy kill, in which case they create only controversy.
wow
wish I could have said it that well lol

@whitebb2727
I think we are on the same side but maybe with a different point of view
 

im4satori

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not just our country but the world is moving and changing so extremely fast

people resisting change, even for the better, is a common narrative and the older you are the more you resist the change

some of us might even be consider old geezers on a site like this...lol

hunting is something passed down from generation to generation since the start of time

but the ignorant fucks need to open there eyes and realize whats up and stop living in the past
 

im4satori

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at this point in time in our world

the only hunting that's done should be done by those whom have specific experience and knowledge achieved by a degree of some kind

those people should dread killing anything and only do it for the betterment of the population control primarily associated with rodents, with the specific intent to keep a healthy and balanced eco system

anyone else whos out killing animals/mammals (in this country) for any reason sport or food should be ashamed
 

ThcGuy

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No. Its not the same as gunning down a kid. Its just not.

It makes perfect sense. You are not paying to protect them. No one is. The money is put towards conservation officers and protected lands that otherwise were not affordable.

How does that not make sense. They are poor nations. They don't have the funds to protect them.

I agree it is sick.

How do you purpose to stop poaching in poor nations?


Don't think my statements mean I support trump or Jr.
Why? Must be because we wear pants? You saved ten kids for the price of one, they were all going to die anyways but you saved ten. (Sounds pretty stupid right? So does killing animals to save them!)

Here is what they paid, "The brothers have been charged a hefty fee for every kill. The price list quotes £46,000 to hunt an endangered elephant, up to £27,000 to kill an endangered big cat". It sounds like a lot but they would need to kill quite a few animals to raise enough money to fund a task force to stop poaching across Zimbabwe and they killed two endangered animals on one hunt! How is this conservation?

As for what can be done to fund the anti poaching campaign..... why can't they hunt poachers? I bet there are plenty of sick fucks out there that would fund a poacher hunt for a lot more than the Trumps paid for the right to kill endangered animals.

Also I'm not trying to argue with you whitebb2727, I can tell you don't want to see these animals disappear either. And in all honesty I agree the Zimbabwean conservation program is trying to raise money however they can to protect what they have left but I bet every time they see a rich guy wipe out an endangered animal it sickens them. My issue isn't with them it's with the super elite that claim they are in it to save the animals because they aren't!
 

abandonconflict

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I agree that there are some people qualified to hunt wildlife. I would have picked ancient indigenous people however. As an example, plains tribes have known for generations when it is safe to hunt bison without endangering populations. A different type of example would be anyone hunting deer where the wolves have been wiped out.
 

im4satori

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I agree that there are some people qualified to hunt wildlife. I would have picked ancient indigenous people however. As an example, plains tribes have known for generations when it is safe to hunt bison without endangering populations. A different type of example would be anyone hunting deer where the wolves have been wiped out.
yes

your correct

I said our world and I should have said our country or civilized countries

there are places still in the world where people still NEED to hunt to eat/survive so they get a pass
 

ThcGuy

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I agree that there are some people qualified to hunt wildlife. I would have picked ancient indigenous people however. As an example, plains tribes have known for generations when it is safe to hunt bison without endangering populations. A different type of example would be people hunting deer where the wolves have been wiped out.
Ummm look up Head Smashed in Buffalo Jump and Dry Island Buffalo Jump in Alberta, Canada. These parks got their names from the natives because they used to run entire herds of buffalo off of cliffs to kill them! No buffalo here anymore! (White settlers helped wipe them out too, it wasn't just the natives. My wife just made me include this).

at this point in time in our world

the only hunting that's done should be done by those whom have specific experience and knowledge achieved by a degree of some kind

those people should dread killing anything and only do it for the betterment of the population control primarily associated with rodents, with the specific intent to keep a healthy and balanced eco system

anyone else whos out killing animals/mammals (in this country) for any reason sport or food should be ashamed
The degree in Canada anyways is the hunters training course, I have taken it and have the certificate.
Hunted meat is the most humane meat you can eat. The animals are free their whole lives, no anti-biotics they eat what they want when they want, they aren't penned up and scared shitless on their way to the slaughter house and you have actually to go into the woods and find them as opposed to going to the grocery store to buy meat someone else killed. It's the ultimate free range meat.
 
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abandonconflict

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Ummm look up Head Smashed in Buffalo Jump and Dry Island Buffalo Jump in Alberta, Canada. These parks got their names from the natives because they used to run entire herds of buffalo off of cliffs to kill them! No buffalo here anymore!
It is a very well established fact that the species thrived throughout history until the 1800s when white settlers came to hunt them nearly to extinction in order to intentionally deprive the First Nations people of their primary sustenance. More recently, hybridization and disease have been responsible for putting hopeful population rebound at risk.
 

ThcGuy

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It is a very well established fact that the species thrived throughout history until the 1800s when white settlers came to hunt them nearly to extinction in order to intentionally deprive the First Nations people of their primary sustenance. More recently, hybridization and disease have been responsible for putting hopeful population rebound at risk.
Yes they did and I did correct my earlier comment, but running entire herds off cliffs didn't help.
 

abandonconflict

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Yes they did and I did correct my earlier comment, but running entire herds off cliffs didn't help.
In fact it may not have hurt. Sure, when one words it in such a way it sounds like some small tribe killed billions of animals per year. However, the reality is that small groups were herded away from the larger runs of the animals and cornered at the edge of a cliff. It was simply a method of hunting and such methods were only employed during seasonal hunts, yet the animals continued to return every year as evidenced by the survival of the tribe. That is until white men started to massacre entire populations.
 

ThcGuy

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In fact it may not have hurt. Sure, when one words it in such a way it sounds like some small tribe killed billions of animals per year. However, the reality is that small groups were herded away from the larger runs of the animals and cornered at the edge of a cliff. It was simply a method of hunting and such methods were only employed during seasonal hunts, yet the animals continued to return every year as evidenced by the survival of the tribe. That is until white men started to massacre entire populations.
I was just going off what I read on Wikipedia "The park is the site of an ancient buffalo jump, where Cree native people drove bison over the cliffs in large numbers to provide for their tribes."
 
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