Trump admits collusion

[ThcGuy]

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generation to generation,, we teach are kids and give them stupid ass excuses as why its OK

YOU WANT TO HUNT, YOU WANT TO KILL SHIT

its not complicated

thank god you killed that poor turkey cuz he looked dangerous

so you peeps make up these false naratives to justify your actions

and then you teach your children to be as ignorant as you are

Do you eat meat?

 

[srh88]

see

generation to generation,, we teach are kids and give them stupid ass excuses as why its OK

YOU WANT TO HUNT, YOU WANT TO KILL SHIT

its not complicated

thank god you killed that poor turkey cuz he looked dangerous

so you peeps make up these false naratives to justify your actions

and then you teach your children to be as ignorant as you are

I don't see a problem with hunting something you plan to eat. It's fresh clean meat. The only difference between a wild turkey and a grocery store turkey is.. one was made to die and be pumped full of bullshit.

 

[whitebb2727]

Ok let me try to set this straight, yes the money is needed to fund anti poaching, I agree 100%. It's a poor country nobody can deny that. The point I am trying to make is people like the Trump kids don't give a flying fuck about the animals other than how they look stuffed in their dens or mounted over their fire place mantels. Basically it comes down to what the elite can get out of the deal for themselves and i'll say it again if they truly cared about the animals they would donate money without having to kill an endangered species. That is the only thing I am trying to say! I hope you can understand this. People like the Trump kids have the ability/money to truly make a difference but instead they use the situation to their advantage to kill endangered animals and say its in the name of conservation.

Zimbabwe has a corrupt government ( maybe you should research this). Most of the money received from these hunts ends up in the pockets of corruptconservation officials and not in the hands of the conservationists and communities where it would actually be of use to protect the endangered animals.

You think the money from these hunts ends up with conservationists....... thats interesting.

If you want to help save these animals, try saving the people first. The people poach animals for survival, they are poor, suffer chronic malnutrition and have minimal health care. They also have the lowest life expectancy in the world (34 for females and 37 for men). It's no wonder that conservation is at the bottom of the list for most of them. Save the people first then let them save the animals.

Those rich assholes may not care. That's not my point.

Ill agree in some areas there is corruption. In the areas where it is done right it works very well. The proof is our own hunting and fishing laws here.

That's the reason for quatoas on fish, crab and even animals that are legal to hunt.

The monies from allowing hunting and fishing here in the states pays for conservation and game officers.

I don't see how that's hard to understand. Opening up legal avenues of hunting is not the problem. The corruption is.

I'm just saying that quota and management style works. I actually hunt that way. Its not opinion. This comes from my whole life of being involved in hunting and conservation.


This is from a hunting club. It and many more lime it do this type of work every day.

http://www.rmef.org/Conservation/HuntingIsConservation/25ReasonsWhyHuntingIsConservation.aspx


From the government.
https://www.fws.gov/hunting/whatdo.html

https://www.hunter-ed.com/montana/studyGuide/Where-Does-the-Money-for-Conservation-Come-From/201027_700048372


Why is it that hunting conservation worked on many species hunted to the brink of extinction here but not there?

 

[ThcGuy]

Those rich assholes may not care. That's not my point.

Ill agree in some areas there is corruption. In the areas where it is done right it works very well. The proof is our own hunting and fishing laws here.

That's the reason for quatoas on fish, crab and even animals that are legal to hunt.

The monies from allowing hunting and fishing here in the states pays for conservation and game officers.

I don't see how that's hard to understand. Opening up legal avenues of hunting is not the problem. The corruption is.

I'm just saying that quota and management style works. I actually hunt that way. Its not opinion. This comes from my whole life of being involved in hunting and conservation.


This is from a hunting club. It and many more lime it do this type of work every day.

http://www.rmef.org/Conservation/HuntingIsConservation/25ReasonsWhyHuntingIsConservation.aspx


From the government.
https://www.fws.gov/hunting/whatdo.html

https://www.hunter-ed.com/montana/studyGuide/Where-Does-the-Money-for-Conservation-Come-From/201027_700048372


Why is it that hunting conservation worked on many species hunted to the brink of extinction here but not there?

Ok, for the tenth time I hunt and am well aware of where my money goes for hunting licenses, deer tags and so on. But I am completely against TROPHY HUNTING ENDANGERED animals. It's a pretty simple concept.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't see a problem with hunting something you plan to eat. It's fresh clean meat. The only difference between a wild turkey and a grocery store turkey is.. one was made to die and be pumped full of bullshit.

they pack thousands of poor birds in so tightly that they are forced to wade through each other's shit.

that is, they can even walk since they fatten up so quickly that their body weight exceeds what their own legs can handle.

 

[whitebb2727]

see

generation to generation,, we teach are kids and give them stupid ass excuses as why its OK

YOU WANT TO HUNT, YOU WANT TO KILL SHIT

its not complicated

thank god you killed that poor turkey cuz he looked dangerous

so you peeps make up these false naratives to justify your actions

and then you teach your children to be as ignorant as you are

What ever man. They are over populated here. They were almost extinct.

I provided the links. Hunters like me saved and brought turkeys along with other animals back to huntabke numbers.

That turkey lived free and died a quick death. That's more humane than keeping hundreds of chickens and turkeys in pins so tight they can't walk.

Why don't you pull your head out of your ass. How is stuffing thousands of birds in a pin and not letting them move more humane than hunting.

Hunters save animals. Period. What the fuck have you done to help?

Nothing I bet. Get off your fucking high horse. You have no room to talk if you eat meat.

 

[Huckster79]

He seems kinda fake to me. An investment banker with some old nobility title who at some point had been a member of a socialist party but is now a member of a liberal party. Yes, it is a political position but it says a lot about his character in my opinion.

Macron is interested in whomever holds the US Presidency. For the minute I believe the term is "holding your nose".

Yea i wasnt sure guess i should do more research was just curious what others thought. I know Putin was against his opponent but thats about it...

 

[abandonconflict]

Hunters save animals. Period.

I agree with most of what you said in your last post, except for this. Historically, it was actually hunters who have been responsible for causing endangerments. I don't oppose all hunting, I simply disagree with the notion that hunting endangered predators is ecologically sound. As for the humane meat argument and responsibly killing wild turkeys without thinning the population, yes I agree that is perfectly fine.

 

[whitebb2727]

they pack thousands of poor birds in so tightly that they are forced to wade through each other's shit.

that is, they can even walk since they fatten up so quickly that their body weight exceeds what their own legs can handle.

Thank you. Its horrible.

I raise my own chickens. Yes they are locked up at night but run loose during the day.

People should look into how the animals they eat are raised and treated.

see

generation to generation,, we teach are kids and give them stupid ass excuses as why its OK

YOU WANT TO HUNT, YOU WANT TO KILL SHIT

its not complicated

thank god you killed that poor turkey cuz he looked dangerous

so you peeps make up these false naratives to justify your actions

and then you teach your children to be as ignorant as you are

Check out how your food is treated. And I'm the ignorant one.

 

[UncleBuck]

Thank you. Its horrible.

I raise my own chickens. Yes they are locked up at night but run loose during the day.

People should look into how the animals they eat are raised and treated.

Check out how your food is treated. And I'm the ignorant one.

yep, i keep a flock of chickens and ducks here too. locked in at night and free roaming in the day.

sure, a cunning predator has swooped a bird or two out of my yard over the years, but i'd rather see chickens live a year or two happily free ranging rather than 6 years stuck in a cage.

 

[whitebb2727]

Ok, for the tenth time I hunt and am well aware of where my money goes for hunting licenses, deer tags and so on. But I am completely against TROPHY HUNTING ENDANGERED animals. It's a pretty simple concept.

Check the links out. Animals I'm legally allowed to hunt now were once in danger. Responsible hunting brought them back.

I agree with most of what you said in your last post, except for this. Historically, it was actually hunters who have been responsible for causing endangerments. I don't oppose all hunting, I simply disagree with the notion that hunting endangered predators is ecologically sound. As for the humane meat argument and responsibly killing wild turkeys without thinning the population, yes I agree that is perfectly fine.

I agree. Hunters messed up and almost killed everything off.

One of the links shows the numbers of different animals at the early 1900's and now.

"Responsible" hunting saved those animals.

 

[Huckster79]

I dont feel anything about them. Everytime something comes up it turns out obama admin or clinton was involved.

Left is scrambling to protect the "progress" they made tearing down what made America great. Rinos are being outed, CNN is being exposed, and meanwhile immigration laws are being passed and the wall funding has been approved.

Every morning is christmas.

God bless america.

Cnn outed for what firing irresponsible reporters? Fox news would have no one if they did that! They covered birtherism as if it where real, no one was fired...corp media by no means perfect but they are a hell of a long way from news the right/russia (hard to distinguish now, poor Ronnie is spinning) gins up like "pope endorses trump", or the one that caused that idiot to start shooting about "hillary running child sex ring out of pizza shop" or birtherism, or, or, or....

So please list all the news that is reported on makor networks and publications that has beem proven blatently false... trump and gang lie provably over and over and doesnt seem to bother the brainwashed.

Besides on a forum such as this no one should support him as his pet Jefferson Boulreguard Sessions would love everyone of us in one of his donors for profit prisons! Mr Trump is no ones friend but himself and probably his kids he is definetly no friend of anyone here!

 

[whitebb2727]

yep, i keep a flock of chickens and ducks here too. locked in at night and free roaming in the day.

sure, a cunning predator has swooped a bird or two out of my yard over the years, but i'd rather see chickens live a year or two happily free ranging rather than 6 years stuck in a cage.

I've noticed that when diddles hatch out the smart ones make it. That's if the hen hides and raises them running loose.



I think I've lost 2 or 3 over the last few years.

My chickens are happy.

 

[abandonconflict]

I agree. Hunters messed up and almost killed everything off.

One of the links shows the numbers of different animals at the early 1900's and now.

"Responsible" hunting saved those animals.

That's not trophy hunting endangered predators and claiming the money goes to conservation efforts. That's people who need to hunt and realize that depleting populations will harm their livelihood.

 

[UncleBuck]

Trump is no ones friend but himself and probably his kids

nah, it took him one day to throw his firstborn directly under the bus.

and it only took two more days to figure out that even that was a complete lie. there were more people at that meeting. probably trump himself.

 

[UncleBuck]

I've noticed that when diddles hatch out the smart ones make it. That's if the hen hides and raises them running loose.



I think I've lost 2 or 3 over the last few years.

My chickens are happy.

the two hens my rooster looks after are both brooding and he is not happy right now. crows all day.

otherwise, very happy. ducks love a good sprinkler.

 

[ThcGuy]

Those rich assholes may not care. That's not my point.

Ill agree in some areas there is corruption. In the areas where it is done right it works very well. The proof is our own hunting and fishing laws here.

That's the reason for quatoas on fish, crab and even animals that are legal to hunt.

The monies from allowing hunting and fishing here in the states pays for conservation and game officers.

I don't see how that's hard to understand. Opening up legal avenues of hunting is not the problem. The corruption is.

I'm just saying that quota and management style works. I actually hunt that way. Its not opinion. This comes from my whole life of being involved in hunting and conservation.


This is from a hunting club. It and many more lime it do this type of work every day.

http://www.rmef.org/Conservation/HuntingIsConservation/25ReasonsWhyHuntingIsConservation.aspx


From the government.
https://www.fws.gov/hunting/whatdo.html

https://www.hunter-ed.com/montana/studyGuide/Where-Does-the-Money-for-Conservation-Come-From/201027_700048372


Why is it that hunting conservation worked on many species hunted to the brink of extinction here but not there?

The reason why conservation works in North America and not in some other places is because people are literally fighting for survival in places like Zimbabwe and for them killing an endangered animal could be a life or death decision. Poverty and starvation can be tremendous motivators.

Here in North America, when a species becomes threatened, protected or endangered we pretty much stop hunting or severely reduce the amount that can be legally hunted therefore giving time for the animals to repopulate. For example here Mule Deer are not as plentiful as they once were so we now have to apply for a tag via a lottery, If I win I get to hunt one, if not I am happy to just get my two white tails. Because of this system and people following the rules Mule Deer populations are starting to recover. Also we don't face starvation or poverty if we don't get to hunt certain animals.

 

[whitebb2727]

the two hens my rooster looks after are both brooding and he is not happy right now. crows all day.

otherwise, very happy. ducks love a good sprinkler.

I thought about getting some ducks. Do you eat their eggs?

That's not trophy hunting endangered predators and claiming the money goes to conservation efforts. That's people who need to hunt and realize that depleting populations will harm their livelihood.

Trophy hunting, although wrong, is not killing off endangered animals. Poachers are.

Take away the corruption and it saves animals.

I don't have anything else to say about it.

I mean it works for animals legal to hunt that were once endangered and it can work for any animal.

 

[abandonconflict]

Trophy hunters are poachers.

 

[whitebb2727]

The reason why conservation works in North America and not in some other places is because people are literally fighting for survival in places like Zimbabwe and for them killing an endangered animal could be a life or death decision. Poverty and starvation can be tremendous motivators.

Here in North America, when a species becomes threatened, protected or endangered we pretty much stop hunting or severely reduce the amount that can be legally hunted therefore giving time for the animals to repopulate. For example here Mule Deer are not as plentiful as they once were so we now have to apply for a tag via a lottery, If I win I get to hunt one, if not I am happy to just get my two white tails. Because of this system and people following the rules Mule Deer populations are starting to recover. Also we don't face starvation or poverty if we don't get to hunt certain animals.

You are making my point for me.

In the areas that it works the money and meat goes to the poor people, reservations for animals and the officers to watch them.

You said what 27,000 and 40,000 pounds? You know how much that is to an area like that? Its a lot.

I'm done.